Shake 3, FCP 4, DVD Studio 2 Announced at NAB

[Ckerr812]

Wow, awsome news, this is what I like to read about :) . Looks like apple is heading in the right direction, just reading the new shake features, looks pretty good.

Are you at Nab beaker? How is it?

[tropistic]

Hey beaker -

I confess, I'm one of the nayasayers. If you hear any talk about Apple's comitttment to *continued* linux support beyind 2003, please post away. I've been holding off switching (to at least a dual-boot) pending word of this...

Jay

[slice56]

woohoo, shake is even prettier than before ;) lol

[lapin]

Nice news.
Go here for visit :
http://www.apple.com/software/pro/

Like the price for Shake Mac, vs Linux build.
At this price you can buy a Mac and Shake !

[arvid]

Nothing new under the sun then...

btw, it's still 2003, shake-linux' fate would be decided at the end of this year, I wouldnt expect crapple to make a sane decision tho.

There's no need to guess why the networkrendering has to be free on the apple platform, did anyone say "SLOW"? :surprised

[beaker]

There's no need to guess why the networkrendering has to be free on the apple platform, did anyone say "SLOW"

I haven't done any speed comparisons, so I have no idea the speed of rendering on osx with shake. The thing is compared to any other compositor shake blows everything else away. I worked on HD shots with 20-30 layers at 1080p and they rendered at 1-3 minutes a frame(combustion or DF is about 2-3x slower because they use a buffer renderer and their memory usage is 5-10x). Even at 3/4 the speed, its no big deal for a post house or small film house unless your a working on large film jobs, like weta on LOTR. I wouldn't doubt that shake now uses some altivec accelleration, which could very well bring the speed up to very close to the same as a current p4. Again,I don't know this, and its all speculation, so I could be full of shit.

Non-gui(for rendering) license of shake is $3950 plus another $1500-2000 for a rackmount box for rendering and an xserve is 2-3k. Also with rendering it is more efficient to launch two renderers(on on each processor) rather than multithreading a render. The trouble is on linux/irix/windows you use up two licenses so most people just launch one render that multithreads. No big deal on the mac since its free. You will get 180-190% speed on a dual over multithreading that is more like 150%.

[Aneks]

I am well excited by the preview monitor seems really cool. now you can pretend you are on inferno except faster !!

just as bit of side bitch there doesn't seem to be any really exciting additions. things we have all been hanging on for like 3d cameras and a warper are still nowhere to be seen. I mean yay I can track my paint strokes now... how about off the shelf point tracing for my rotoshape points a la flame.

2.5 was a bit of bulls##t up date as well ... just thumbnails and some long overdue proxy stuff. I still use shake but this new version is no reason for your average shake house to start buying Mac's.

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aneks
maya/shake/inferno

[BrainFaucet]

First off, Shake is my favorite compositor. The node-based interface is extremely efficient and allows me to create very complex composites in an extremely short period of time. Shake also allows me to get down and dirty with expressions and make some very nice effects.

When I saw that Apple had purchased Nothing Real, I first thought, "Oh crap." Then I felt assured that the only OS they were going to knock out was Microsoft. Fine by me. Now I see that Shake is twice the price for Linux or Irix v.s. the Mac port?!

Yes, one could buy a nice Mac for the price difference, but I would have to access my RAID through the network can we say, "SLOW?"

Buying a company and making their products compatible with only your hardware (or charging extra for use other OSes) is one of the many reasons I hate Microsoft. Now I'm afraid it is a reason I hate Apple.

[Amyd]

Originally posted by beaker
The thing is compared to any other compositor shake blows everything else away. I worked on HD shots with 20-30 layers at 1080p and they rendered at 1-3 minutes a frame(combustion or DF is about 2-3x slower because they use a buffer renderer and their memory usage is 5-10x).[/B]

Care to make a cross-application benchmark on that? Perhaps even supported by a bet? :D

I offer my DF on a Dual Xeon rig and you put up your Shake system. We can exchange the material on DVD-ROMs or something. :airguitar

Cheers,
Andrei

[Per-Anders]

*sigh* just *sigh* :rolleyes:

it's a new verison, you can run it on all of your machines, you don't loose anything by the mac version being cheaper than the linux version if you were never goign to run it on macs in the first place... therefore don't complain about the price difference, also bear in mind that there was a price drop for the mac, not a price increase for the linux version, this has been gone over time and time again. we can all run it on our machines... great :) there aren't so many new features, oh well :( lets not acredit our machiens with our talent shall we lads?

[AVTPro]

GO Apple!

[arvid]

:surprised :shrug: :curious: :rolleyes:

[beaker]

Originally posted by BrainFaucet
Now I see that Shake is twice the price for Linux or Irix v.s. the Mac port?!
Shake on linux/irix was always 10k since the beginning, they never raised the price on it. They only lowered the price of the mac version to promote people to use their computers.

Yes, one could buy a nice Mac for the price difference, but I would have to access my RAID through the network can we say, "SLOW?"
[/B]
Why is this slow? Most places with any more than 2-3 artists have a central storage server where you access all your files from. This is quite normal since it is much cheaper to have one central storage rather then a bunch of little ones. Then you dont have to spend large chunks of time copying your data from one machine to another for different jobs. The only reason why you really need online storage is for video editing. Otherwise this is quite normal.

[MacRonin]

If you watch the Shake 'Quick Tour' videos on the Apple site...

And pay attention to the very end of the 'Distributed Rendering' clip...

It shows the Maya logo, as if it can also take advantage of QMaster to distribute Maya renders to your new XServe clusternode renderfarm...

I cannot tell what they say for that portion of the video, as my soundcard is not in my work PC right now... ;^(

So, buy Shake & a small renderfarm; get Mac OS X renderwrangler for Maya at the same time?!?

Anyone got anymore info on this?!?

;^p

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