Apple casting naughty glances at A|W

[Lyr]

I have been hearing the same rumor since late 1999, and guess what? that's all it is, a rumor. No press release no merger. A|W is losing money? got a link for that?

[Grooveholmes]

Phew, the drop in price...

I'd hate to one day see a release of iMaya.

[ambassador]

how can an apple buy an ancient civilization.....where would an apple get money?:wip:

[greekdish]

Curious to know...whats the big fuss?? Even if Apple did buy A/W, why would this be a bad thing?? Apple has made a commitment to high end production, and they have done nothing but good for the entire industry in the last 3 years. They are one of the few companies that consistently churn out high quality products, even in this down economy. They have the best OS, one of the best video editing software (and they just purchased Nothing Real for compositing), best DVD solution, and top quality hardware. What are you all worried about?? As for the iMaya comment...thats absurd....I dont see an "i" before their high end products...the "i" is for consumers....they dont have an iG4, or iFinal Cut Pro, why would they make an iMaya??

Really....why not Apple???

[Grooveholmes]

Because an Apple is like a computer with training wheels.

[phatgroovn]

Originally posted by Grooveholmes
Because an Apple is like a computer with training wheels.

Now THAT's an educated comment!

[Grooveholmes]

Hey man, just callin em as I see em.
So what, I'm just not a big apple fan. :shrug:

[greekdish]

Funny how PC geeks can never give facts as to why they dissapprove of something made/done by Apple....they have to resort to childish name calling and idiotic rumors of being a toy. Also funny how PC's are the "gaming platform" and Mac's arent. Heaven forbid someone buys a computer not only because it is powerful, but it looks good. Gee, maybe I should hand in my BMW for an uglier Ford just because its cheaper.

[Grooveholmes]

Originally posted by greekdish
Gee, maybe I should hand in my BMW for an uglier Ford just because its cheaper.

Sounds like a good idea greekdish.

I'm more partial to PC's because they handle my 3d apps better. Maybe if i was a Graphic designer and all I used was photoshop and illustrator I would go with a Mac. But I'm not so I don't, its that simple. Maybe one day in the future if they catch up to the pc on the 3d end I'll switch over. But i don't see that happening anytime soon. I'm just not as easily swayed by a gay box just because it looks good on my desk as some people.

[Tad]

Man, PLEAAASE do not make a comparison between computer cases, and cars! You wear your car wherever you go,
a comp is either seen only at your dest, or not at all.

anyways, theres nothing wrong with a pretty comp,
but there is also nothing wrong with wanting nothing to
do with the extra price of a computer comp.

And theres nothing wrong with macs too!!
They might not be as quick or cheap as pcs, but whatever.

any time you waste talking down on macs, is exactly
that TIME WASTED.

even if maya was bought by apple, chances are
the software its self would stay just as good,
if you care about what name pops up when you start it, your probably wasting your time using it too. :P

[3disciple]

As a MAC user i wouldn't want to have to rely on it for my 3D package. the MAIN reason being that there is no such thing as "upgrading" your mac....you really have to buy a new one every 4 years. My PC...meh, bios upgrade and I can get a faster processor and probably use fater ram as well. not to mention the hardware and software support.

I mainly use lightwave (playing around with Maya PLE) and i can see the discrepancy in user-created plug-ins (more for PC, much less for MACs).

[greekdish]

"As a MAC user i wouldn't want to have to rely on it for my 3D package. the MAIN reason being that there is no such thing as "upgrading" your mac....you really have to buy a new one every 4 years. My PC...meh, bios upgrade and I can get a faster processor and probably use fater ram as well. not to mention the hardware and software support. "

No such thing??? Oh, I didnt realize that I had an imaginary upgraded processor in my Mac, or an imaginary larger HD, or an imaginary upgraded video card. hardware and software support?? Oh yeah, Apple doesnt do that either. Man, I need to stop smoking the wacky tobaccee. LMAO

People....lets not get into a Mac vs PC war....its a Maya forum. You dont hear me telling you what PC's can or cant do...so dont try and tell me what macs can or cant do, especially if you have no clue what you're talking about. Use what you like....but lets not start bashing Apple around here.....ever think that there are Maya NT/Irix users who are Mac fans also??? Please show some consideration and maturity.

[greekdish]

"Man, PLEAAASE do not make a comparison between computer cases, and cars! You wear your car wherever you go, a comp is either seen only at your desk, or not at all. "

I dont quite understand what you're saying....I can TOTALLY make a comparison of cars and comp cases. "I" look at my car every day, "I" look at my comp case every day...."I" do. I dont know about you, but "I" make my purchasing decisions on "MY" preference and what "I" want to see, not who else is gonna see it. So in this respect, its a totally valid comparison.

[Grooveholmes]

Man you Johnny Appleseeds crack me up. So close minded. So stuck in your ways.

[Curtis]

First off, I personally don't think that it matter much anymore what hardware you use. Apple has NVidia cranking out video cards, they have nice dual-CPU machines, a nice *nix based OS...what more can you want?

The only thing I don't want to have to do, is to be foced to by Macintosh hardware, because Apple decides to develop Shake (and maybe one day Maya) ONLY for OS/X (QuickTime is one of the only apps that I have seen Apple devel crossplatform (again, I'm not saying there aren't any, I just haven't seen them. Don't flame me for not trying to track down every Mac app.=P)). Final Cut Pro USED to be available on the PC before it was purchased by Apple.

Let's just head back to the real reason I started this thread. I wanted to know if anyone has any other infomation that would confirm/deny Apple's plans.

[sentry65]

final cut pro was an unreleased product before apple bought it. Maya and shake are quite different and have extensive Windows, Linux, and IRIX markets. Pissing off customers is not apple's goal.



The current dual G4 systems (with a memory subsystem that is 2 years old) is slower than athlon or P4 systems. Photoshop and SETI RC5 may be the only exception, and even then that is still questionable.

OSX is slow. XP is slow (with using different skins other than classic anyway - wish OSX gave you the option to shut off quartz. XP is not production worthy quite yet - compared to w2k anywayl. Still waiting on sp1 to come out...) w2k is fast. Linux is fast. IRIX is fast though SGI hardware is fairly slow considering their price.

Mac Nvidia drivers are not that great. Mac's highest end 3d card is still a geforce 3 right? or did they now get gf4mx? (which is slightly faster than a gf2) I don't think i've heard of apple getting full blown GF4 support yet and I know they don't have 3dlabs support. ATI's new cards might be the fastest video cards you can get on a mac at this point in time and those are not very well suited for pro 3d based on all the complaints I've heard of concerning maya. Unless ATI makes great drivers (ati? yeah right)

macs are dramatically more expensive than PC's when you factor in how you're locked into buying things like old generation DVD-RW drives (have you heard the news on the new format microsoft is now supporting? yeah the format apple invested into is going to die)

Apple's cases are cool, they open up easy, have handles etc. Big deal.

Maya is multithreaded in certain things but still mostly single threaded. Dual G4's are of little beneifit to maya other than rendering and paint effects. Fast individual processors, fast video cards, and fast memory subsystem is where maya's performance is at - not an old DVD-RW drive, with entry level video cards, and slow G4's.

Where are my links and such to back any of this up?

Go to the forums on www.arstechnica.com
there are plenty of links and such arguments there.
I'm not going to bother to look up a million links because I have better things to do than worry about the hardcore mac users here. I've read too much of this crap to really care anymore.

I don't think apple buying A|W would really be all that bad though. They would be absolute fools to destroy such an extensive amount of development and customer base so they could promote their hardware sales more. The most "damage" they would do to maya is make the OSX version have slightly more development and be released sooner then the other versions of the program.

I used to be that most hardcore mac user out there.
video and 2d design are still things macs can do very well.
3d is a whole different story though. They just are not the best in this area - not yet anyway. Apple has made a lot of right decisions as far as breaking more into the serious 3D market. I know lightwave, Form Z, and EI Universe are strong on macs, but if they were such dominant forces in the 3D industry - why are there dramatically more maya, SI, and 3dsmax users?

[Curtis]

I don't want a PC vs. Mac rant. There are hundreads of forums on the net that deal with that ever day.

I want to know more about Apple possibly purchasing A|W. That's all.

[sentry65]

no one knows

it's all speculation

apple has become quite good with keeping secrets these days

[Curtis]

So true! The Nothing Real acquisition was a totaly suprise. I guess that there is a good possibility that other players might also be sizing up A|W as well. SGI sure needs the cash..;)

[greekdish]

Good points Sentry. I just have to say that no one here ever claimed that Macs were the best platform for 3D. Not that 3D cant be done on Macs....just not as efficiently as on a PC. No argument from me there....I agree the Mac has a ways to go with 3D cards...but in all respects, the Mac is a very capable platform to develop 3D content on. Just like the saying....the software doesnt create the art....its just a tool. To criticize the Mac platform would be a very underestimation of potential (not saying you were either). ATI cards, to me, are better on Macs than PC's....display problems are abundant with ATI cards and Maya.....although I see no problems with ATI cards and Macs...short of not being ultra lightning fast. =) nVidia make a GeForce 4 Titanium for Macs...I dont know how it compares to the G4MX, which is no doubt slower than a GeForce 3. The thing is with both ATI and nVidia is that Apple develops the drivers for the video cards....they license the code from ATI and nVidia and they write the system extensions into the OS. Yes, Maya is not fully multithreaded on OSX...yet. Its still a brand new port. Im sure Maya on Linux isn't exactly the same performance wise as on Irix and Windows. Why are there more Maya, SI and Max users compared to Lightwave, FormZ and EIAS??? Thats a terrible comparison....compare Mac LW+Cinema users to PC LW and Cinema users. Softimage and Maya were never on a PC either until Bill Gates bought Softimage and ported it over to NT. Maya followed because hey, its called competition. Max always was a DOS/Windows program....they tried going Mac but were shot down because they released a shoddy product, and thus had poor sales, and after a while, ceased development. EIAS is, and still is used in production of feature films. FormZ, well, Im not too sure how many people actually use it for films and animation as it primarily is used as an architectural app. Am I a hardcore Mac user that is blinded and cant see past my own Mac??? Hardly....I also own a PC box with Win2K Pro on it. To prefer Macs doesnt make me a hardcore Mac'er, or a zealot, or a "Johnny Appleseed". LOL Never heard that one, but oh well. =) Like I said before....these programs/hardware/whatever....they're just tools. Ive seen incredible works of art done by Truespace and Infini-D and Strata and seen absolute crap from so-called high end Maya/SI/and Max users. Lets try and keep platforms (who's is better) out of these conversations.

Curtis....I apologize for ranting as much as I have. To give you my opinion on the issue...I dont think Apple will buy Alias, unless for some reason, Alias is about to go under....and Apple might want to save them, or whatever. Apple doesnt have any reason to want Alias....that would be like maybe wanting to buy Newtek. My opinion....I wouldn't put any faith to this rumor.

[status quo]

No such thing??? Oh, I didnt realize that I had an imaginary upgraded processor in my Mac, or an imaginary larger HD, or an imaginary upgraded video card. hardware and software support?? Oh yeah, Apple doesnt do that either. Man, I need to stop smoking the wacky tobaccee. LMAO
yeah but its 2X the price and a radeon 7500 is cutting edge. :)

[NUKE-CG]

Ahhh.. you do know that thread is like 2 years old, right?

[status quo]

yeah. they have that similar thread thing.

[bluemagicuk]

Rumors

I dont care .. people can always change software suites if things are not going they way they want.

[bluemagicuk]

LoL nuke .. which fool dredged this one back from the dead

[devdoka]

Hi all,
Someone posted that this is a rumor.
I have to agree with this.
I`ve been reeding it on magazines and listening other folks talk about it
so many years.
I dont think it will ever happend(even Duncan confirmed this in one of his older posts).
Although i have nothing against macs, i have to agree again that
I dont wanna see this ever happening.
Cause then will they support the same platforms Alias do now?
And even if they do, how good they will support in on non mac platforms?
Dont you guys think software companies should get platform independent if the can?

[mimo8]

a zombie thread - man and I read it like its brandnew

so apple didnt buy A/W in the last two years - lets send this thread to sleep again and defreeze it in two more years :p

[devdoka]

mimo8,
man youre right i didnt notice
I myself too thought its a brand new....
oh well....

[onlooker]

04-12-2002, 05:32 PM :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :argh: :deal:

[GriNGoLoCo]

Personnaly I think Apple computers are great, at least since mac osx came out. everything is easy to use, and you can do stuff on macs much easier than on the pc. but i still love my pc... and that one button mouse is VERY annoying (i know you can change it)... but anyways, i prefer my PC.

later,
GriNGoLoCo

[Annuostivix]

hahaha, I just have to point out how funny I think that is. I remembered reading this thread ages agom and then decided to check to see if there was a conclusion. haha, apparently not. :thumbsup:

[CIM]

The conclusion is that Apple isn't buying Maya, so move on with your life and stop spreading stupid rumors. :)

[MasonDoran]

could someone post the link that says Alias was bought by an investment company just some months ago....which is no way related to Apple.

just like to note here that Apple has a reputation of buying highend software which was predominantly PC based...then no longer developing it for PC ie: Shake.

Not that i really care which is OS is better, but the common users dont like this kind of behaviour because it involves several thousands of dollars worth of software and hardware that have to be converted.

[mimo8]

I just LOVE apple and think all PC users should BURN in HELL!!!

BURN - BURN - BURN

CAUSE THEY ARE EVIL !!!!






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attention boyz and girls this thread is two years old - its really funny seeing some people react serious on this old zombiethread.


by the way - I love this thread. Its so nonsense and off.
I´ll be back and if you like we can flame in here a bit.

I´ll take PC´s this time

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