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geekatplay
09-13-2007, 03:05 PM
We just updated our site, hmm total make over.
And posted lot new Vue video tutorials.
Please, check out and let us what you think.
Your help appritiated a lot.
We have free Vue models and other stuff for you there also.
New tutorials and freebee will comme out weekly.
Thank you again!

http://www.geekatplay.com/tutorials.htm

craftycurate
09-14-2007, 01:18 AM
We just updated our site, hmm total make over.
And posted lot new Vue video tutorials.
Please, check out and let us what you think.
Your help appritiated a lot.
We have free Vue models and other stuff for you there also.
New tutorials and freebee will comme out weekly.
Thank you again!

http://www.geekatplay.com/tutorials.htm

Excellent thanks. Enjoyed the fluorescent lighting one.

calilifestyle
09-14-2007, 10:26 PM
this are great i noticed, that your tuts sau vue 5 and 6 but on ecothing you use ecopaint isnt that only in vue 6. if so can you have some info for those with vue 5 (yeah havet upgraded yet im waitng).

geekatplay
09-15-2007, 04:43 PM
this are great i noticed, that your tuts sau vue 5 and 6 but on ecothing you use ecopaint isnt that only in vue 6. if so can you have some info for those with vue 5 (yeah havet upgraded yet im waitng).

Thank you for pointing this.
I try to mark what versions it use depend on tutorial, in some cases if it not so depndet on specific that future, but I am very posible missed it :(
Please let me know what tutorials is not correct.
Thank you again.

Kerem
09-16-2007, 05:45 PM
Wonderful tutorials. Thank you so much... :bounce:

mwalter1
09-16-2007, 11:24 PM
Thanks for the new tutorial - very good - it gave me lots of ideas.

Peggy

geekatplay
09-23-2007, 06:13 PM
This week new tutorial and free model is up.
Thank you.

geekatplay
10-01-2007, 12:16 AM
New tutorial, 3D stamps is up, also new free model and RoboWorld pack with lots robots and Building construction kit, materials ... etc.
If you got Mega pack before, check your email for special.

geekatplay
10-08-2007, 03:12 AM
Two new tutorials out, and free model of the week.
www.geekatplay.com/tutorials.htm (http://www.geekatplay.com/tutorials.htm)
or
www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com/)

Also I am adding page withlinks to vue community tutorials and resources, if you have one you like, please, send me information.
And if you have tutorials you want to show, we will provide for you space to host.
Thank you.

Abraham
10-08-2007, 05:32 PM
Very nice work :) Thank you very much for your generosity :)

J-L

Malcolm7
10-09-2007, 12:27 AM
With all due respect to geekatplay ! you guys are "$%@#-ing" Awsome :thumbsup:

I really like the tutorials,But if you guys would ever put out a complete dvd (Downloadable) training course ..I got my money ready !

Not a training dvd about how to use the tools in vue (AsileFX already has that) but what he doesn't have is actual training that you can use right in your video/film production. Come on, let's face it, everyone who bought Vue want to create the ILM/E-on sotware demo reel type stuff. Again i said types of stuff (I know that it take alot of talent and work)

And sofar no one has an indepth video on how to create reaslistic big/massive "looking" matte paiting like terrain or landscapes (snow ect..) not real matte paiting guys relax I just mean to invoke the feel and awe of those digital paintings, like we saw in e-on's illusive to create demo reel :-) and also a moon looking terrain ect...

And last is there any other option to purchase items from geekatplay other then the google payment method ? I already have a paypal account and I don't know google's reputation as far as credit and bank account info. I really wanted to get your Megapack but I don't want to use Google ..thanks.

p.s: this is the types of feel and inspiration that I want to try to achieve in Vue (again guys I don't mean an exact replica) but just the mood and feel hope you get my point.

On the last image below, how can you get rocks or a sphere to look like that ?

All images taken from here :http://www.mattepainting.org/index.php?categoryid=13&p16_sectionid=2

http://suirebit.kingofhouston.com/content/09_Matte%20Painting/88_Lost%20World%20Temple%20of%20Nature.jpg
http://www.raynault.com/pictures/r_KK_s149_6_mp_final.jpg
http://www.dusso.com/images/mp02/MP49.jpe
http://www.dusso.com/images/mp02/MP51.jpe
http://www.dusso.com/images/mp02/MP43.jpe
http://www.mattepainting.org/plugins/p17_image_gallery/images/722.jpg

geekatplay
10-09-2007, 01:36 AM
Thank you!
Those images are awesome.
There are a couple of problems, iwhich is why we always need help.

The tutorials are done by me in my free time and need to be translated from my broken english to something more understandable. My writer wife who is doing the transcribing had _0_ knowlege of Vue at the beginning, so I basically started with simple things so I didn't have to sit by and help her ;) (She is even editing this one, because sometimes I like to be clearer.) Now she wants to kick me off my computer and do something herself with Vue.

I recently finished some terrain creations for a video game, (no more info under NDA.) But as soon they let me I will post the stuff from there. We used a massive terrain with high details and a very realistic look. We hope we can make some tutorials based on that.

I'm working on a more complicated tutorial next week. It was about an hour long on materials layers, echosystem, etc. But I needed to cut it short due to time restrictions.

Good work takes time. Just to create one terrain set for the game took me 3 weeks full time for a perfect realistic look (in HD resolution).

To keep cost down we've been using google for no subcharge, but paypal will be available soon.

Many people have asked for a DVD of these. We will have one out after 30th tutorial, for cost of making and shipping. All of the models, packs, etc will be on it as well. And this will be downloadable.

My goal in creating these tutorials is not to compete with any one, or for glory and fame (but i don't mind last one :) ) I think Vue is a powerful application and I want to bring people who enjoy creating with it togeter.

If you have a tutorial and need a place to host, I will be happy to put it on.
Or if you have an idea for tutorial and want us to create it, with full credit to you for your idea.

Agian, those are excellent images for reference, so lets make some use of them. Thanks for the idea!

Malcolm7
10-09-2007, 01:40 AM
HAHAHHA....Wow that so funny ..I'm on your site right now looking at the island foam tutorial !! I like real practical training. I own AsileFx Training also ..like 3 of them I learned alot from his stuff.But man I love the practical stuff that you guys create ...so no thank you !

Malcolm7
10-09-2007, 02:12 AM
Wel your wife english is 100% good.Keep in mind that alot of people on the net and this forum are from all walks of life with our own accent so don't let that bother you !:wise:

As for taking weeks to do a Terrain Wow !! but you know what if you make a kick ass training DVD even on this one terrain,I'll buy it !!

I love vue6 since it turned grey/black you are correct it is a great program.. but I have to be honest, : Camera positions/scale/size of objects.. really kicked my but. When I wanted to create a mountain with clouds around it I would scale up , but then my sky got all messed up.
It's from your tutorial that I learned about the square on the grid being 10m by 10m ..before that I would just add to the grid in big chunks then my scale/size/perspective would be messed up ?

p.s:get Paypal quick :-)

We want the complicated stuff .. so add them to your site in parts or series or charge for it if it's an hour long .. I'll use goole checkout if you do :love:

People are tursty for real Vue training,not that computer look stuff that we see in some vue gallerys..that's not what we expect out of Vue.
Textures or Materials creation training, if you can, make them. That's a crucial step in making any scene look real !!

But any way take your time but don't take too long :twisted: .we all want to create the "types" of environment we saw in e-on's demo. We need people like you to put those training out as if we where getting it from a student teacher settings...I can't wait for the complex stuff, don't cut anything out please, it's that serious for this Vue forum, that'll give it life :scream:

But anyway Keep those training comming.

p.s: how do we create fractured/deformed/chipped looking rocks.. just a tought.

I said enough thanks.

Malcolm7
10-10-2007, 12:17 AM
And here's a great digital matte painter, Alp Altiner and what he's done with Vue and Terragen (WIP) really:
http://www.alpaltiner.com/gallery.php?gallery_id=262

And also the brains behind the illusive Vue 6 demo reel "look" Philippe Bouyers (I never saw this before)
http://www.belino.net/

Lots of video test on the right colum.

geekatplay
10-10-2007, 10:58 PM
this picture took me bout hour, i am sure if you spend week, image result.

http://www.geekatplay.com/images/fields.jpg

Malcolm7
10-11-2007, 12:48 AM
Holly --- !! that's it :scream:

those are what people are looking for From Vue 6.

1.How to get the terrain large like that ?
2.How long whas the render of this image ?
3.what's the render quality for this image? Final/Broadcast/Superior ?
4.(Dumb question *Alert*) are these all from one terrain or several difrennt terrains?
4.can you move around this terrain (up down hills) like a real world terrain ?
5.Does Vue 6 Slow down alot when you have so much object and plants in one scene? How do you deal with that. ?

You see, there are lots of questions that needs answered. We need Vue training for production video/film. We are all adults who want to be the next Digital Matte painter/CG ENVIRONMNET CREATORS. Not the silly stuff.

A bigger question I have for you.
How do you handle scales of objects vs terrains ect... ?
How big do you create your terrains on your grid.
And what focal lenght do you use on what kind of scene. Thanks .

geekatplay
10-11-2007, 01:37 AM
1. It is possible to create in one terrain, but for time saving it is multiple terrains, but they combine seamless. This terrain is big, about all grid area in Vue.
2. Image render in Final , (higher will be look better) and it took about 1hour on
Dual CPU, Dual Core AMD 880 (little bit old) PC.
3. Final
4. Multiple pices, for time saving, single terrain = doulbe time
5. yes, you can, i may render animation ... when have free time.
6. No, it is acualy not many objects, custom materials, textures, they are time/poligon savers.
7. I have tutorial comming out (based on your sugetions) show how to create from begining (textures in photoshop) to final image.

Scale by numbers ;) Vue grid = 1 square - 10 meeters. if you hold down shift and stard drag in, it will snap object to 1 meeter marks.
Remember you don't need to create exacly same, you are one who control point of view.

Focal lenght 55mm normal, 35mm wide, varible from that.
here is image from other tutorial already recorded ... need to be translated.
same from custom materials on rocks to final image. Sadly time restrictions in tutorials, normaly you can play around for days to create details and improve look.

Image from upcomming tutorial:



http://www.geekatplay.com/images/terrain.jpg

IvanB
10-11-2007, 10:32 AM
Nice Images.

Love the tutes you guys are providing...Keep up the excelent work!

I had a look at your most recent tute where you use greenscreen footage to composite your vue footage. I have some video tutes that are more detailed in the use of KEYLIGHT in Aftereffects to key out greenscreen footage, as well as an ulternative to creating fake shadows, that I thought might come in handy with your viewers.

Heres a link to my tutes.

http://www.esnips.com/web/Greenscreen-Keying-AE

Malcolm7
10-11-2007, 12:39 PM
Vladimir Chopine :applause:. Those are the rocks I'ved been wanting to create !! I think that you understand exactly the look that I had in mind, and the feel that inspired me from Digital Matte painters!!!

Thanks for the tip on the camera focal lenght. I'ved tried setting up scenes using too wide of an angle (19 mm :eek: ) and wasn't getting good results.. but they are better now.

Man That was a great response from you with those images ! Greate work.

Is setting up a paypal account for your site very expensive ? Because I want that Mega pack. Or has anyone used Google checkout services ,how long has it been around?

Bring on that hour long training my time/money/appreciation is waiting :deal: .

these are what I'ved been trying to create with Vue 6, Nothing really, just been trying to learn how to handle and navigate my self in Vue :

Malcolm7
10-11-2007, 12:43 PM
one more. p.s: none of these images are fully completed obviously,again this is me going difrent directions to see where I can go with Vue 6.
Comments snd criticism welcomed.

geekatplay
10-11-2007, 02:30 PM
Thank you Guys.
IvanB, I am adding page to site with recomended resources (web links) and yours will be there, you have greate stuff.
We try to make tutorials for Vue, and avoid other apps ;) , but sometimes they overlap.
So our idea to have page with other good tutorials, that have intrest for Vue community.

Malcolm7
10-12-2007, 07:07 AM
More inspiration and motivation for our training instructors :-)

this one I like :

Source :http://www.mattepainting.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1732

http://www.dylancolestudio.com/Matte/personal/images/LWW_AAseq_MP.jpg

Don't you whis that this was done with Vue..:-) one day!

Solomon
10-12-2007, 02:58 PM
oh, that can be done with Vue even now

but the cost is render time.

Malcolm7
10-12-2007, 05:29 PM
..really This can be done now ?. Well I feel better now to hear from a pro.:)

Render time I'ved come to expect from anything 3D so if that's all the cost is .. and of course a little time,Then I'm all for learning how to create this level of work.
Bring it on !!

Solomon
10-12-2007, 10:17 PM
Like geekatplay mentioned above

with enough time put into images like that, you can duplicate the look.

Here is a render not exactly similar but close enough, that I did in Vue.

http://www.sowl.com/3d/tests/images/landscape_08.jpg

Malcolm7
10-12-2007, 11:33 PM
:eek: Salomon I have nothing to say :thumbsup:

geekatplay
10-15-2007, 04:43 AM
New tutorial is up "Material Layers".
Also free weekly - "Iceberg Pack"
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
10-20-2007, 06:34 AM
This week new tutorials up and free weekly model!

Malcolm7
10-21-2007, 06:29 AM
:thumbsup: I just saw it.
great!! I'll be using those rocks on my VUE training.
Thanks GUYS for listening.

One of the BEST LOOKING VUE Rock material ..so far .. great job !!!

geekatplay
10-28-2007, 05:58 PM
New tutorial "Creating Advance Materials" is up, and free model of the week : "Ruins" with special created material also avalible.

http://www.vuetutorials.com

Malcolm7
10-30-2007, 01:53 AM
This ia a great tutorial on Materials . very , very useful ..great !!

Pengi
10-31-2007, 04:09 PM
I really love the Geekatplay website. I have written a review about it on my website. It can be found at: http://www.perpetualvisions.com/new-articles/review-geekatplay/review-geekatplay.html

geekatplay
11-04-2007, 04:01 PM
"Inside cave" tutorial up, and free model of week avalible.

Malcolm7
11-06-2007, 11:19 PM
OMG..!! Keep this quality real world Vue Training going.Great job guys... No one else is doing this in VIDEO Every week you can't beat that !

langxueya
11-10-2007, 08:11 AM
a question about your tutorial:animated layer.

why you use a box after tree.

sorry ,I can not hear English.I just can read and write.

geekatplay
11-11-2007, 01:45 AM
Box used to preform boolean operation on terrain, it is not nessesery at all, but
this is not just a tutorials :) we using regressive repetition system. My own wording.
in previos tutorials we introduced boolean operations on terrains and other objects, one way to help users remember it is repeating what they already learn in different situations.
In that case we set up "memory hook" on animationg terrains, to repeating boolean operations.
You can easy scale terrain to right size.

geekatplay
11-11-2007, 08:21 AM
"under sea" new tutorial added, and free materials avalible for download.
Now over 426 minutes of tutorials avalible for free online
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
11-12-2007, 01:22 AM
All tutorials plus five more avalible on DVD for $14.50
http://www.geekatplay.com/oscommerce/catalog/index.php

kiwiness
11-12-2007, 07:20 AM
I just found your site with your tutorials, amazing. Being a beginner with Vue I am looking forward to giving them a shot. Thanks, I'll let you know how I fare :)

geekatplay
11-18-2007, 06:00 AM
New tutorial " Four seasons island " posted.
Thank you for viewing.
http://www.vuetutorials.com

kiwiness
11-18-2007, 07:34 AM
'New tutorial " Four seasons island " posted.
Thank you for viewing.
http://www.vuetutorials.com

I'll get into this one as soon as possible, thanks.

PS: That woman's voive is adorable

geekatplay
11-24-2007, 08:22 AM
This week:
32. Creating city with ecosystem.
Using a single material for city creation :
- Creating image maps for city layout.
- Multilayer materials setup.
- Controlling the ecosystem population with images.

plus Freeby of the week... more materilas

http://www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com/)

pedersen
11-26-2007, 06:51 PM
Anyone who can point me to a simple tutorial for exporting a 3dsmax camera to vueXstream?

have tried the synch tool, donno how to use it. :blush:

cheers

geekatplay
12-01-2007, 04:50 PM
New tutorial "Let it Snow" posted

http://www.geekatplay.com/images/tut_snowtrees.jpg

http://www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com/)

Also check free model.

geekatplay
12-01-2007, 04:51 PM
We started beginners section also

geekatplay
12-08-2007, 09:06 PM
Echosystem 3D new tutroial out:

http://www.vuetutorials.com

AmericanXer0
12-09-2007, 02:33 AM
I just wanted to say thanks for the great tutorials geekatplay! If you ever have a chance would you be able to make a tutorial on how to make a beach landscape like this http://www.3dwallpaper.com/1152/vigil.jpg (more about the shape of the hills and how to make a shore line that doesn't look like a straight line). All of my beach shores look like a straight line, I'd like to add some curves to them.

Thanks again!

geekatplay
12-15-2007, 05:07 PM
Thank you.
We will add this sugetion to our list.
http://www.geekatplay.com/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=2

We almost ready to release first five tutorials from our new series "Epic Landscapes"
that will work mostly on landscapes.
So far we have :
- Vue tutorial (interm and advanced vue project) new techincs and working on skill
35 relised, and 18 in "Q"
- Vue for beginers, very basic tutorials.
7 relised, and 12 in "Q"
- Vue epic landscapes, working on ... landscapes
5 in "Q"

few more series comming out in next year, they in production right now.

geekatplay
12-15-2007, 11:32 PM
Two new tutorials out

geekatplay
12-24-2007, 04:35 AM
If you looking for marbles, we have new tutorial out: "Lost marbles"
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
12-27-2007, 04:52 AM
Couple new tutorials added to beginers section.

geekatplay
01-07-2008, 08:11 PM
New tutorials is out.

geekatplay
01-13-2008, 05:00 AM
New tutorial "Making Roads" is out

geekatplay
01-20-2008, 08:54 AM
"Boxes" new tutorial out
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
01-21-2008, 04:10 PM
"Epic Landscpaes" series is now avalible
http://www.geekatplay.com/epic.php

geekatplay
01-31-2008, 09:41 PM
"Camera manipulation" - new tutorial is out.
Also new section "Area 51" added
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
02-04-2008, 05:13 AM
New tutorial out "Strange life" and new epic tutorial out also.
check store for free model, that we using in tutorial
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
02-12-2008, 02:41 PM
http://www.vuetutorials.com
http://www.geekatplay.com/tutorials.php

New tutorials out: "Advance material creationg with Filter Forge" and Epic Landscapes :"Marshes"

stage-gr
02-13-2008, 06:15 PM
those tutorials are nothing less than AWESOME!!!

i simply love them :thumbsup:

excellent work people...many many thanks!!!

geekatplay
02-19-2008, 04:13 PM
Thank you all!
And more new tutorials avalible now.
http://www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com/)

caraffi
02-20-2008, 01:44 PM
excellent resource geekatplay :) I'm new to Vue and have found your site to be "Top Shelf" thanks for all the effort...

geekatplay
02-26-2008, 02:31 PM
New tutorials added ...

NeptuneImaging
02-27-2008, 11:10 PM
These are very sweet...I just started playing around with Vue 6 and I love it... now, would it be possible to make a tutorial about creating Sky Textures based on Atmospheres, like to use the image for a sky texture? I was looking for the option to export sky and I guess it was not present...


Thanks a bunch... these are some kick ass tutorials

geekatplay
02-27-2008, 11:24 PM
tutorial about something like this?
http://www.geekatplay.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_list&c=18

NeptuneImaging
02-28-2008, 04:23 AM
tutorial about something like this?
http://www.geekatplay.com/sunshop/index.php?l=product_list&c=18


yes, but I would settle for a video tutorial how I can make my own... something like this.....


http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=46&t=534701&highlight=Vue+Skies

geekatplay
02-28-2008, 04:34 AM
I will record tutorial about atmosphere settings for production. It should be out next week, or end of this.

NeptuneImaging
02-28-2008, 05:14 AM
Sweet... can't wait to see it...

geekatplay
03-10-2008, 08:43 PM
New "Waterfall" and Epic tutorials out.

geekatplay
03-16-2008, 01:09 AM
New tutorials out:
- Epic landscapes : Rocky Valley
- Camera manipulation, DOF, zoom
- Atmosphere and clouds

stage-gr
03-16-2008, 10:25 AM
excellent...:thumbsup:

i was just wondering though...Are there any plans to do an in depth video of the function editor? That could be really helpfull i think

geekatplay
03-16-2008, 09:20 PM
I start recording them, see if you like it.
Links will be avalible, latter today, on our forum in Memebers area.
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
03-18-2008, 09:45 PM
I added four tutorials about Function editor in "Area51" on www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com)
i think four more comming out very soon, except I have emergency project pop up.

Also check out 3D wrold magazin issue 102 and 103 for some cool tutorials from us.

stage-gr
03-19-2008, 10:17 AM
Also check out 3D wrold magazin issue 102 and 103 for some cool tutorials from us.
already did ;)

And the function editor chapters are MOST welcome Vladimir...I'll jump on to them right now!!:thumbsup:

geekatplay
03-22-2008, 06:42 AM
New Poser video tutorials from Geekatplay Studio now released.
Discovering Poser.
Every week we will open new one, come check out
http://www.geekatplay.com/posertutorials/
http://www.posertutorials.net

NeptuneImaging
03-22-2008, 06:45 AM
Hey, did you put up the Skymap tutorial? I am still curious about trying that one...

geekatplay
03-22-2008, 07:14 AM
yes, last week, it is in #49 some atmosphere settings.
More on atmosphere settings will come in Area51 after i am done with function editor.
It will be same in depth stuff

geekatplay
04-02-2008, 04:26 PM
New tutorials added:
Area51 - lots of Function editor tutorials, master node, input nodes, color nodes, noise and fractal nodes, more to come.

Fireworks, closeup on ground and other tutorials in general area.

New tutorials in epiclandscapes area, also check out new poser tutorials.

http://www.vuetutorials.com
http://www.posertutorials.net

geekatplay
04-07-2008, 03:53 PM
New tutorials:
-Function editor series now complite, avalible in arera51
-Epic tutorials : Creating western rocks - tutorial available
-Fireworks, Close up on ground, Realistic roads - new tutorials.
-Poser tutorials added.

http://www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com/)
http://www.posertutorials.net (http://www.posertutorials.net/)

geekatplay
04-16-2008, 09:23 PM
New tutorials out

LCC
04-22-2008, 06:25 AM
Awesome, thank you!

DoryBreaux
04-23-2008, 06:25 AM
I love you guys! If it werent for you, I would have probly given up. THANKS!!!

geekatplay
04-27-2008, 07:38 PM
New tutorials out.
http://www.vuetutorials.com

geekatplay
05-15-2008, 08:50 PM
Many new Tutorials released:
Creating animated logo.
Volcan.
Creating backdrop for your webprojects, flash, pages...
More modeling with hexagon in Area 51.
Poser tutorials.
and more
And new Mega Pack II released, check this link for more details on content:

http://www.geekatplay.com/megapacktwo.php

geekatplay
05-27-2008, 05:09 PM
New tutorials out!
www.vuetutorials.com (http://www.vuetutorials.com)

geekatplay
06-16-2008, 07:05 PM
New tutorials out

geekatplay
06-22-2008, 02:34 AM
New tutorials out!

geekatplay
06-27-2008, 05:51 PM
New tutorials out
http://www.geekatplay.com
http://www.vuetutorials.com

LS Knight
07-11-2008, 08:41 PM
This looks awesome. I'm so glad to find you and have high hopes you can get me rolling. I was particularly excited that you have some learning-to-walk hand-holding tutorials for beginners.

If I can get something done as a result of these tutorials you can bet I'll buy something or donate.

geekatplay
07-27-2008, 10:48 PM
New tutorials out!
also check our new Hexagon and Daz3d Photoshop bridge section

geekatplay
08-03-2008, 08:39 PM
New tutorials out
http://www.geekatplay.com
http://www.hexagontutorials.com

degrutze
08-06-2008, 12:09 PM
wow you are fantastic....

thanks pal....

shokan
08-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Anyone know how to successfully import ZBrush hi-polymesh with textures into Vue (any version)? I have not found a single posting anywhere where anyone says they are always successful. And, there are no tutorials that I can find.

Thanks.

geekatplay
11-10-2008, 07:36 PM
New tutorials out

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