Modeling Videos.

[Anadin]

I think I would pay for a CD/DVD focusing on modelling - good idea.

[ajmotley]

Hey K, I would pay for the CD/DVD/movie if it was geared toward advanced modeling. Are you only doing modeling?

[LucentDreams]

Well thats one of the things I"m wondering about, would peoople prefer a cd strictly on modeling? What if instead of a CD they were available for download by purchase? Would need to figure how that would be possible, but CD's are no problem.

As for advanced modeling, that was the whole Idea, to show how to use the tools in better ways, many people don't even realuse the full capabilities of some of the tools in C4D, especially the new Edge tools and vertex Weighting.

So I think if I did a whole CD on modeling, that maybe it would cover a whole bunch of areas, like even setting up a speacial camerea a lighting setup that IMO make modeling a little easier. I would cover basics, like xplines polygons andprimitives, compare point modeling with box modeling, and show how the great thing about C4D is you can do both at once. Show how to use deformers for modeling basic stuff like that, and then also cover more advanced things, modeling muscles and anatomy. Just playing with ideas, I only have one video done so its not really comitted or anything. Feel free to make suggestions or requests.

Of course if I get a job in the coming weeks, then I may resort back to just giving them away again.

[randyrives]

I would pay for a CD or Download. Prefer CD though.

[slouchcorp]

Hi kai,

First id like to say thanks for the time your giving to things like this, its very much appreciated.

as for the vids cd or download eather is fine, what id love to see is a full CA set up vid that starts with modeling nothing overly hard just a simple charactor like AM's thom, the point being how to modle correct joints for animation ect, leading on to rigging, and lastly animation, maby create a walk and run cycle and use pose2pose? to animate the inbetween.

quess im asking a lot, but id buy that one.

mike.

[LucentDreams]

I'm going to avoid a video on rigging and animation, mainly because I'm still learnign a lot about rigging myself, half of the time I"m spending with 3D right now is testing out different leg rigs and such, hnarassing all sorts of artists on this that and the other thing for rigging. Basically trying to not only become a 3d animator but a 3d technical animator (technical artist) who does both rigging and animating.

SO While I definitely see the use and immportance of that, I think iots also a little too much to coaver a long wiht other things all on one CD. Perhaps after that CD is done I could start working on something like that. But I"ll also tell you that there are two books being worked on for R8 that I know of and one of them i know will be covering a lot about CA. SO Just be patient and I'm sure the learning resource your all hoping for will be available.

[slouchcorp]

thanks mate well that sounds like a good plan maby just the modeling part?

yeah im looking forward to any new books, i have a problem at work where learning time is next to none and if i start trying something like modeling a charactor people will say what are doing thats not work! aggg, but if iv a tutorial book/dvd it then looks more constutive. and i can get away with it:-)

cheers mike.

[handige_harrie]

For me personally modeling would not be the thing I need the most education on (although getting nice seems on cars still troubles me :D).

My personal list of things I want to learn in C4D:

CA (MOCCA)
Expresso
TP
Soft Body Dynamics

Workflow SPEED (currently :thumbsdow)

But I honestly must say that I will be able to learn most of these aspects through the use of online tutorials, vids are not really necesarry.

[JIII]

well I wouldnt but anything if its download. My little 56k connection wouldnt much like that. but if you have a cd or dvd version I would love it, and of course buy it.

[knight42]

A modelling video would be good. A CD might be better, I can probably get away with 150-200 Mb download at work before someone came after me with a big stick.

J

[astrofish]

I would pay for a modelling CD focussed on C4D. I'd prefer download, but I'd still go for a physical CD.

I'd suggest not spending much time on the basics, after all the manuals cover those. I'd be much more interested in the advanced stuff.

Cheers - Steve

[pit]

:lightbulb
It might be helpful if the term "advanced modeling" is clarified/explained - has been used quite often in this thread, - just to know where the border is. And of course for Kaiskai to focus on it.
:lightbulb

[mt_sabao]

I would love to have some video lessons on Cinema 4D, but 3D, being just a hobbie to me it would depend on the price.
How much are you thinking?

[mt_sabao]

And ah, i would prefer the CD.

[willog]

I would most certainly purchase a CD on modeling, as a matter of fact I would dearly like some videos on anything Cinema 4D. :-)

[JIII]

hmm If i were you I would say stick with the CD cause everyone has a CD drive. while not everyone has cable.

[LucentDreams]

well price would depend on A) peoples interest, the more people interested, the cheaper I can make it, B)the cost of the CD/DVD's csince I have access to two CDburners and one DVD burner, I'd pbably burn them myself, but again that depends on demad, if a lot of people wanted them then Plan might have to change. And lasat part of the equation, C)Shipping costs, being in Canada, most users would not be canadian as well, and thus shipping costs can be up there, its a tiny CD, but if I charged say 15 dollars for the CD, and shipping was 4, welll now you have a $19 dollar product in reality. THats why DL was a nice option for me personally, but as you have already seen, many people would have issues with that like bandwith limits, slower modems, and then the secureity issue, and what happens if someone gets their download and two weeks later accidently deletes it, lot of messing around to get him a copy without purchasing, not to mention for a bunch of larger movies thats a fair bit of bandwidth I know my server won't handle.

I"d like to aim for a price no more than $20, if I sold 20, that keeps me living for a month.

[pasto]

Kai.

I will buy it too, as a european I would prefer download, but I would pay UPS (or come to canada by swimming) to get a practical enlightement on edge extrude and weight HN quickly.
Modelisation remains quite obscure (to me) on c4d as everybody focused intensively on Mocca and expresso.

I need it now.
The tease was too hard.

cheers
pasto

[neods]

cd's would be nice, and I'm intrested in modeling, softbodys and thinking particles. And the price of 20 dollars is real nice, and I hope we could order them here in europe too

[sulian]

Originally posted by pasto
Kai.

I will buy it too, as a european I would prefer download, but I would pay UPS (or come to canada by swimming) to get a practical enlightement on edge extrude and weight HN quickly.
Modelisation remains quite obscure (to me) on c4d as everybody focused intensively on Mocca and expresso.

I need it now.
The tease was too hard.

cheers
pasto

I agree with Pasto (salut Pasto, au fait, la forme ?)

Can you also include cloth modelisation and soft dynamics ?

Sulian

[pasto]

salut Sulian,

ravi de te rencontrer ici ! :)
il parait que c'est plus calme (modéré) que le postforum.

pasto

[LucentDreams]

Originally posted by sulian
I agree with Pasto (salut Pasto, au fait, la forme ?)

Can you also include cloth modelisation and soft dynamics ?

Sulian

I could look into Cloth modeling a bit, but Dynamics is the one thig I will never cover as I don't uset it. Other than a little Soft IK bone dynamics. The actual Dynamics modual I spent a day playing with and said never again really. Its just a matter of the type of stuff I do, I'm an animator first and foremost,

[sulian]

Originally posted by Kaiskai
I could look into Cloth modeling a bit,

it will be a good thing. :drool:

Sulian

[maharadjah]

i would be really interested about your vidéos especialy at this price ..for example the download solution would not be a bandwidth prob but more a credit card one .. postal transfers for both money and cd's will be the best for me .. and for the content ..there is a lack of video about any part of C4D so anything you master you can offer ..thanks
(sorry for my english)
sulian pasto ..si jamais vous avez des nouvelles faites un ptit post sur frenchc4d pliiiz ..j'ai une mémoire aléatoire ;)
kaiskai i've just seen on your site than youre the creator of this moose ..great character .luv it

[LucentDreams]

ahh yes with the maxon stand and the tutorial book and such, the moose gets around more than I, H's been in the UK and Germany, all over the US, France, SPain Italy, and here I am sitting in Edmonton, furthest out of this country I have been so far is Portland Oregon :/ Stupid moose. Well trust me you will be seeing more of him again, slightly updated and really boogying.

Everybody now DO THE HUSSLE

[fdb]

I'm not sure if you've seen it or not and maybe it's a silly suggestion but i believe Cafepress are offering a service to sell music or data cd's through their store, i'm not sure if they do DVD formats though but at least you would'nt have to worry too much about the copying/delivery stuff yourself. :)

[Kirl]

I'd also be really interested in a thing like this.

I'd really like to see something on bones, rigging and proper DOF...

Me being yet another cabled-up europian, my vote goes to a download... Both options (CD or download) would be perfect. :)

[squidinc]

Originally posted by fdb
I'm not sure if you've seen it or not and maybe it's a silly suggestion but i believe Cafepress are offering a service to sell music or data cd's through their store

hehe, cool, buy a cd and get a t-shirt aswell with "Kai's modelling masterclass" printed on the front :)

[LucentDreams]

hehe no I'd never do a kai's modeling "master" class, but you never know, lots of people like the moose, maybe a moose shirt hmmmm.

Anyways thanks FDB, looking at it, that would definitely be the best way to go, easier for me, equal in price wihtout me having to pay a bunch upfront for the cd's to burn, and less paperwork for me too. I think thats the way i will go. now next question when looking at their options, PAPER or PLASTIC (never thought I'd say that.) Paper sleavs means I could sell for15 to 20 USD, plastic would mean 20 to 25 USD. PLastic would look nicer, and be a better storage medium, I could also check with cafepress and see if I could provide both and let the user decide which they prefer, but from reading the site I think its a one decision thing I either say paper or plastic and thats what people get. Also note that bulk does get a discounted price though hardly any, 50 cents US each for more then 20, 1 dollar each for more than 100. Some may want to buy like 20 for students in a school or something. I doubt any would need more than thirty for a class, and outside of that I can't think of anyother reason for bulk, but it is possible.

[fdb]

Not to mention the now infamous g-string.....

Just to add as well that i'd certainly be interested in some stuff on cd's, i find i seem to learn more by seeing someone else do it first, a few of the pdf and web based tutorials always seem to overlook things that leave me scratching my head a bit.

[LucentDreams]

actually that was one of the biggest complaints for the tuts I wrote waaaaaaay back in early XL 7 days, most people complained I sort jumped a stage here and there, its really hard not to assume people will know something, same issue I had when teachinmg, teaching workshops I really started to see where people can get lost and confused. Nice thing about videos is I don't have to slow down and wait for some users to catch up, since if you fall behind you press stop or backtrack a bit.

[blademaster]

I agree I think tutorials are necessary. While C4D is a powerful package and the manuals cover the tools they (in my opinion) they don't really cover workflow and neither should they. When you buy a car it doesn't come with lessons.

What I would like to see is a series on real world projects/ problems. Eg 1 CD on a car, which from a modelling point of view poses many problems. In essence how do you take all these powerful tools and create a good workflow with them.

Then once the modelling project is completed going into texturing and materials of the modelled vehicle. Once the thing is textured go into lighting and then finally compositing.

So yes I would pay for something like this either download or CD but if it's going to have anywhere near the data I think it will require then preferably CD.

Cheers
Charles

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