Sig 07 Presentation Videos from NewTek Mainstage

[RobertoOrtiz]

William thanks for sharing...

-R

[erikals]

Nice !! :)

Thanks Mister,

[bearfoot]

thanks for posting..

really intresting to see big studios like ryhthm and hues using lightwave and raving about it.
makes me optimisitic for the future..

cheers
n

[biliousfrog]

I really liked the Cityscape interview, my previous employer lost a few jobs because we didn't use Max for arch-viz, should've just sent them a link to cityscape.

[HowardM]

cool stuff, thanks Proton!
crazy to hear how many shots Radical3D spit out for Dogfight!
hmmm, wonder how much theyd be willing to pay me to live at the beach and make some reallllly nice explosions for them? ;)

[erikals]

You absolutely do have the qualification.
What I've learned is that it never hurts to ask ;)

[proton]

cool stuff, thanks Proton!
crazy to hear how many shots Radical3D spit out for Dogfight!
hmmm, wonder how much theyd be willing to pay me to live at the beach and make some reallllly nice explosions for them? ;)

If your interested I can put you in touch with them. 12 of the guys on staff are Dave Graduates :P

[HowardM]

thanks!
tough choice really, stay in film out here in UK which is pretty cool, continuing to get Maya experience, although of course the weather blows :( or probably take a pay cut to do something a little more fun/interesting and live at the beach.... ;)

[Julez4001]

Hey Proton, can we download this videos?

[Zardoz]

Julez, if you use Firefox and an extension called DownloadHelper you can download these videos (and any other .flv from other sites like you tube, etc).

[Julez4001]

Aaaaaah... I thought they were streaming. Should check and see that they were flv first.

[steveblake]

..or just jump into your IE/ temporary internet files folder and view by size, the .flvs should be there.

:)

[proton]

SIG 07 Todd Grimes and Taron Presentations online




It's a very exciting way to end the week to see two masters like Taron and Todd. I've been a fan of these two guys for years and I'm glad we got them on stage this year. If you ever wanted to see why people get so excited about modeling in LightWave be sure to watch the 30 minute video of Taron creating an organic head model.




Also be sure to see Todd show off LightWave character animation. Something for everyone in this 20 minute presentation!




http://www.newtek.com/shows/siggraph/2007/index.php

[erikals]

Learned a cool trick or two from the Taron video, thanks again ;)
(haven't seen Todd's just yet)

[E_Moelzer]

Abuminalis, you are very funny, very funny really... or you have no idea what you are talking about...
I would recommend you do a little research about Taron.
CU
Elmar

[E_Moelzer]

weird, my post appears above Abuminlis' post, even though I posted it later...
CU
Elmar

EEEK thats weird! It does it again!
Some bug in the forum software?

[abuminalis]

After watching the Taron demo, i was sad to see his dumb way of modeling, when we have much powerful ways to model in lightwave. Maybe in the next sig newtek can put real artists making a demo of modeler.

[akademus]

Awesome, I was waiting for Taron's presentation. All time legend. Thanks for these, William.


And Abuminalis, his aproach to modeling is by far than dumb. Setting up your toolset and then just give you self to modeling without thinking about tools is what i would call modeling on the Right side of the brain, If you know what I mean (and you probably don't)!

And, yeah, I just recall, you were bragging about Taron before, and that thread was locked, so why, why you are starting all of this again and going off topic.

Thank you in advance for not taking this to wrong direction...

[erikals]

abuminalis, I agree that maybe Taron's wayt of modeling is somewhat unusual, but that doesn't mean that is a bad way of modeling. If you look at the final renderes of Taron's work I'm sure you will change your mind, if you don't, well,... take another look.

[akademus]

weird, my post appears above Abuminlis' post, even though I posted it later...
CU
Elmar

EEEK thats weird! It does it again!
Some bug in the forum software?

You have been here for so long that your posts appear before you figure that you should open Cgtalk site and check the Lightwave section :). That must be it! (or its'a forum bug, which is not, so it's all in your head, haha)

[calilifestyle]

I Read some where that taron was fast. omg you guys where not playing about that. he's sick its crazy
5 mins this guys is done, it must have been so hard for him to make them video to sell, he had to slow down so much. i just wish i could have seen more of whats going on . wow i misssed a good show this year . cant wait for next year... LA baby


and what tool was he using vortex tool i dont think i have seen this

[ranhell]

thanks proton that was nice of newtek to put somting up for those who could not make it this year....

[cresshead]

What!? Is it the tools used or the finished mesh that is important? Tarons technique is brilliant, and it is fast, and the result looks good. I think he has hit the nail, showing how few tools he needs to create the mesh, how easy it is to learn and use those tools. You have to be ignorant if you can't realise this.

:thumbsup: totally agree!

i'd sooner use a handful of tools than have a reference manual and 30,000 tools to get a similar job done...i have taron's dvd and it's eye poppingly good!

and yeah he really tries to slow down and explain on the dvd...he still only had just over
2hours for the video...which i my book is really good value for the workflows he shows
for organic modeling.

[Cageman]

After watching the Taron demo, i was sad to see his dumb way of modeling, when we have much powerful ways to model in lightwave. Maybe in the next sig newtek can put real artists making a demo of modeler.

What!? Is it the tools used or the finished mesh that is important? Tarons technique is brilliant, and it is fast, and the result looks good. I think he has hit the nail, showing how few tools he needs to create the mesh, how easy it is to learn and use those tools. You have to be ignorant if you can't realise this.

[kevman3d]

Taron's a great guy to watch - So quick, and has some really cool techniques while he works for speed... I learnt plenty from watching how he did things... I just missed the fun personality in this video in comparison to his first presentation where he kinda giggled and talked to himself a lot more (which was kinda whacky, but fun at the same time). :D

He was one of the presentations worth sticking around to watch. I felt kinda depressed at the end of the three days, having travelled from NZ to experience that Siggraph excitement I had in 2004 to just be left kinda wondering what I was doing there.

The NewTek booth was nowhere as open or social as 2004, this time staff stood behind a 'counter' where you had to ask to be shown something. You couldn't mingle with other LWer's to chat without feeling like you were standing in front of a queue at MacDonalds - The back of the booth had an LCD screen mounted above someones head, and you could ask them to show something from behind the counter. But if there were people already there, well, wait in line, or go walk off and do something more interesting... I was a little gutted at the end of the exhibition. :sad:

I guess my assumptions and expectations perhaps were a little too high. Perhaps next year in LA will be different... Just have to save the $$$ for that one.

[cresshead]

tarons lightwave modeling video from gnomon is excellent..he brings fun, discovery and great modeling techniques back to the fore....someting missing from other training videos on the whole which are far more techy and dry...his humour is spot on...you have to enjoy this
otherwise it's a 'chore'...and he's smack on with people being scared to edit their models
incase they screw them up too....he opens doors to the fun side of creation much the same
as zbrush does.

way to go dude!

[proton]

It's always a treat watching Taron model....I agree about his training video as well...if you missed it...I wrote about it when it first came out here:

http://www.lwg3d.org/v3/articles.php?id=197

[T4D]

man I'm a HUGE Taron Fan
but who ever done the directing for that Newtek video should be shot !

we watch him sitting infront of the computer fo 80% of it ?
instead of seeing what he is doing in LIGHTWAVE ?

he even talks about what commands he is using and he's tricks a tips to use them ..
but we don't get to see where or what he is talking about ?
just looking at his head infront of the computer fighting the microphone ?

what the F%#& ?

again I'm a HUGE Taron fan I think he's one of the best modelers on the planet and he uses Lightwave
he even designed the LW Logo ! BUT he's just not that good to look at ..
( Well is any 3D artist out there A "Brad Pitt" ..really ? ) LOL :D

Newtek missed a huge opportunity to give it's users One of the best Educational modeling lessons EVER !

I know I have his gnomon dvd,.. this guy models a lightspeed & knows methods that most of us haven't dreamed of yet

sad to drop the ball on one of the 3D worlds true talents.. =(

Still you'll get something from watching it, some useful stuff is still there,
but I'm sure most would agree we all could have gotten alot more
if the director was really interested in what Taron was doing,..?

but instead he just tried to show us all the cameras he had at the venue and Taron's hair style for that day ? was he thinking it was oprah ?? not a siggraph video ? =(

[Nemoid]

Right !

actually I would like to have an entire Taron dvd series, from principles of modelling through an entire human character done with his methods. animation and much more, too

THIS is modelling. this is art!

I personally think he would have a lot to teach even to many pros out there. :D

[cresshead]

man I'm a HUGE Taron Fan
but who ever done the directing for that Newtek video should be shot !

we watch him sitting infront of the computer fo 80% of it ?
instead of seeing what he is doing in LIGHTWAVE ?

he even talks about what commands he is using and he's tricks a tips to use them ..
but we don't get to see where or what he is talking about ?
just looking at his head infront of the computer fighting the microphone ?

what the F%#& ?

again I'm a HUGE Taron fan I think he's one of the best modelers on the planet and he uses Lightwave
he even designed the LW Logo ! BUT he's just not that good to look at ..
( Well is any 3D artist out there A "Brad Pitt" ..really ? ) LOL :D

Newtek missed a huge opportunity to give it's users One of the best Educational modeling lessons EVER !

I know I have his gnomon dvd,.. this guy models a lightspeed & knows methods that most of us haven't dreamed of yet

sad to drop the ball on one of the 3D worlds true talents.. =(

Still you'll get something from watching it, some useful stuff is still there,
but I'm sure most would agree we all could have gotten alot more
if the director was really interested in what Taron was doing,..?

but instead he just tried to show us all the cameras he had at the venue and Taron's hair style for that day ? was he thinking it was oprah ?? not a siggraph video ? =(

it coud be that taron directed them to edit it that way so as not to undemine his sales of the gnomon dvd.

[biliousfrog]

Right !

actually I would like to have an entire Taron dvd series, from principles of modelling through an entire human character done with his methods. animation and much more, too

THIS is modelling. this is art!

I personally think he would have a lot to teach even to many pros out there. :D

Maybe I'm just being optimistic but I imagine that there'll be at least one more covering Zbrush displacements &, hopefully, Messiah's displacement/animation tools. I need more okeydokey's :D

[Nemoid]

well as for zbrush and Lw, steve warner is the Lw reference for sure.
as for messiah.. why not? good idea . :)

[Julez4001]

CGChannel has an article of him up on front page,
He pretty much says he wants to do a Zbrush and a messiah:(animation) DVD, time permitting.
Messiah v3 is being worked on so his time may be shot but hey at least they got endomorphs working the way they should from Lightwave (assumption of ocurse).

[erikals]

Cool, direct link, http://www.cgchannel.com/news/viewfeature.jsp?newsid=6449

[abuminalis]

Abuminalis, you are very funny, very funny really... or you have no idea what you are talking about...I would recommend you do a little research about Taron.CUElmar

Fortunately i know what i'm talking about, that modeling technique is dated, dead!
It's awesome for that crappy heads he does, a lot of people said that he was fast, sure he is fast, he models 90% of the time heads in the same style, if anyone did the same origami project over and over, it's obvious it would be fast...Now for real, if anyone thinks he can model this kind of job with that technique, is seriously demented:

http://www.kolbyjukes.com/images/work/body.jpg

http://www.kolbyjukes.com/images/work/head.jpg

And i would like to see him modeling something like this, we will see then if his technique is so brilliant like he wants to fool us, and if he would be so fast too.

Awesome, I was waiting for Taron's presentation. All time legend. Thanks for these, William.
And Abuminalis, his aproach to modeling is by far than dumb. Setting up your toolset and then just give you self to modeling without thinking about tools is what i would call modeling on the Right side of the brain, If you know what I mean (and you probably don't)!And, yeah, I just recall, you were bragging about Taron before, and that thread was locked, so why, why you are starting all of this again and going off topic. Thank you in advance for not taking this to wrong direction...

The tools he use are good for that job he does, all the time, heads. Not for real production modeling like i posted above.

abuminalis, I agree that maybe Taron's wayt of modeling is somewhat unusual, but that doesn't mean that is a bad way of modeling. If you look at the final renderes of Taron's work I'm sure you will change your mind, if you don't, well,... take another look.

It's a dated technique, like his works.

What!? Is it the tools used or the finished mesh that is important? Tarons technique is brilliant, and it is fast, and the result looks good. I think he has hit the nail, showing how few tools he needs to create the mesh, how easy it is to learn and use those tools. You have to be ignorant if you can't realise this.

No it's not the tools, it's his lazyness to explore new techniques and new concepts, the guy was always switching between wireframe shaded, and smooth shaded at some point, does he know he can have 2 perspective windows? One with wireframe shaded and one with smooth shaded, i saw a lot of flaws in that demo...

[akademus]

I already thanked you for not taking this thread in the wrong way!

The images you post are models sculpted in MudBox and/or Zbrush from base meshes. Noone is modeling all these details, it's virtually impossible. There is a difference between sculpting and modeling. That's exactly what Taron is doing in his first DVD in series, he is making a base mesh. In the next one is getting that model into Zbrush for detailing. You should read more carefully!

And thank you again for not going anymore in the wrong direction! (PLEASE!)

And if you are posting someone elses works in proving you points notify the artist and ask his permision!

[bearfoot]

akademus is totally right and the taron bashing should and hopefully will end here !


thanks

[Cageman]

Fortunately i know what i'm talking about, that modeling technique is dated, dead!
It's awesome for that crappy heads he does, a lot of people said that he was fast, sure he is fast, he models 90% of the time heads in the same style, if anyone did the same origami project over and over, it's obvious it would be fast...Now for real, if anyone thinks he can model this kind of job with that technique, is seriously demented:

Uhm... what the hell? Why are you posting sculpted meshes and compare them to the polygon-model Taron made on-stage in 30 minutes? I quite don't get it.

Lazy? Are you out of your mind or something? Using Tarons technique you can make a base mesh in, what... 10-20 minutes and then do the rest in Mudbox/ZBrush. Look at the polyflow he gets.

Honestly, why are you bashing him?

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