Texture brushes like Photoshop?

[Jinbrown]

In Corel Painter, we can create the illusion of texture in several ways, among them:



Impasto enabled brush variants to paint thick-paint brush strokes or add 3D texture to existing areas of color
Brush variants that interact with the currently selected Paper texture
Captured Dab brush variants (brush variants with their brush dab opacity and shape defined by a JPG image)
Effects > Surface Control > Apply Surface Texture based on the current Paper, the current image's Image Luminance, the current Pattern or user specified Clone Source image, or a saved selection (Alpha Channel)
"Texture" images on Layers and the use of Layer Composite Methods
Of those methods, the one that applies to your question is Captured Dab brush variants.

To learn how to create and save a custom Captured Dab brush variant, read the following (assuming you're using Painter X):

Painter X Help > Help Topics > Contents tab > Customizing Brushes > Managing Custom Brushes

On the right panel, click the link named Capturing Brush Dabs.

If you're using an earlier Corel Painter version, you'll find the information in Help Topics using similar terms.


Jin

[LilSaid]

thank you very much ! :D

[pd]

Is there any way to have a rotation jitter(random rotation)? I couldn't figure this out.

[workbench]

Set both Angle and Jitter to random.

But first you have to set the Angle range and jitter levels.

[pd]

Thanks a bunch. I had Angle Steps at 360°, so while the rotation was random, it was still always the same :)

[kraal]

something simple people forget is using the paper as the texture...... just load a rock photo as paper and play around with the paper sliders.

[Jinbrown]

kraal,

Thanks!

How could I have forgotten to include that in my list of ways to add texture to a painting? ;)

I've edited my post above to include that most basic way of painting with texture.


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[acmepixel]

My interest in this question concerns the actual re-use of Photoshop brushes in Painter. This thread has not covered this topic to my satisfaction, so I'm chiming in.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I see two ways to do this;
One, as Painter Dabs, and
two, as Painter Nozzles.
First, the Photoshop brush must be loaded in Photoshop itself, then exported as a small b/w file that Painter can read. Then create a new brush variant and load the PS brush as a Dab. Or import it as a Nozzle.

You can also use Bryce terrain alpha files, Zbrush alpha brushes, or any b/w or greyscale image. In addition, you can import (Acquire) Photoshop or Illustrator Custom Shapes, and use these as brushes.
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[Jinbrown]

My interest in this question concerns the actual re-use of Photoshop brushes in Painter. This thread has not covered this topic to my satisfaction, so I'm chiming in.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I see two ways to do this;
One, as Painter Dabs, and


Captured Dab brush variants were mentioned in my post above and they can be created from any image or photo.


two, as Painter Nozzles.


A Nozzle can also be created from any image or photo or any group of images or photos.


First, the Photoshop brush must be loaded in Photoshop itself, then exported as a small b/w file that Painter can read.


In neither case, Captured Dab brush variant or Nozzle, does the image or photo need to be black and white or black, grey, and white.

When we create a Captured Dab brush variant, Painter bases the brush dab shape and opacity on luminance of the captured image and automatically creates a "greyscale" JPG image file associated with the saved custom Captured Dab brush variant.

When we create a Nozzle, images used can be any color or black, grey, and white, whatever the artist wants.


Then create a new brush variant and load the PS brush as a Dab. Or import it as a Nozzle.


The image used for the Photoshop brush, like any other image or photo used in Painter to create a Captured Dab brush variant, would only be opened in Painter, selected, and captured. It would not be "loaded" as it's not an item that can be loaded into Painter.

Nor would the image used for the Photoshop brush be "imported" as a Nozzle because it's only an image, not a Nozzle.

While the Photoshop brush image might be used with other images or used multiple times to create a Nozzle, the Painter artist has to create that Nozzle in Painter from scratch before the Nozzle can be loaded and used in Painter.


If you want to know, Painter's Help Topics explains how to create Captured Dab brush variants and how to create and use Nozzles.


You can also use Bryce terrain alpha files, Zbrush alpha brushes, or any b/w or greyscale image.


As long as the items you mention above are files that can be opened in Painter, those image, like any others, could be used to create Captured Dab brush variants and/or Nozzles but in each case, they have to be created from scratch just as they would using any other image or photo.


In addition, you can import (Acquire) Photoshop or Illustrator Custom Shapes, and use these as brushes.
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Shapes cannot be used as brushes or Nozzles. They can, however, be converted to raster imagery, then used like any other image or photo to create Captured Dab brush variants and/or Nozzles.


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[acmepixel]

Thanks, Jinny. Very informative. I'm primarily a Photoshop user but I've been wanting to get more use out of Painter. This is very helpful in learning to use both programs together. :thumbsup:

[genocell]

Okay. I've used captured dab feature before but it looks like I have to click the 'capture dab' in the brush selector bar menu on the selected image each time I used any other default brush variant. Doing that each time I want to change my brush is kind of taxing.

Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here but I would appreciate if anyone can clear this one up for me... Is there an easier way like in PhotoShop?

[Jinbrown]

Okay. I've used captured dab feature before but it looks like I have to click the 'capture dab' in the brush selector bar menu on the selected image each time I used any other default brush variant. Doing that each time I want to change my brush is kind of taxing.

Maybe I'm missing something fundamental here but I would appreciate if anyone can clear this one up for me... Is there an easier way like in PhotoShop?

Hi,

When Photoshop users ask if something can be done in Corel Painter "like in Photoshop", it means the person answering the question would need to know how "like in Photoshop" that something is done.

While I can take the time to learn how things are done in Photoshop, and do know how a lot of things are done in Photoshop, this is a Corel Painter forum so the most direct way to learn how to do something in Painter is to do just that.

It's true there are many things Painter and Photoshop have in common, and it's true they are two very different programs. Frankly, it's a waste of everyone's time to try to do many things in Painter exactly the way they're done in Photoshop.

The subject of this last post, is a good example of something that just doesn't work the same in Corel Painter as it does in Photoshop.

I'll give you a brief explanation, then you can read Help Topics to learn any other specifics of creating and using Captured Dab brush variants.

When we create a Captured Dab brush variant, it's best to first pick a default brush variant that comes closest to having the characteristics one wants in the final Captured Dab brush variant, then save that default brush variant as a new custom brush variant with a unique and descriptive name.

With the new custom brush variant selected, after the image is captured to use for the Captured Dab brush variant, that new custom brush variant needs to be saved again with the same name. Now the user can continue using it as a custom Captured Dab brush variant.


If you want to use that (or any other) Captured Dab image again for another custom Captured Dab brush variant, there are a couple of ways to do it that come to mind:

Method One:



Select the existing custom Captured Dab brush variant.
Make any brush control adjustments you want.
Save the brush variant again with a different name, one not already used by Painter or by you.
Restore the source custom Captured Dab brush variant to its default state.
Now you have two custom Captured Dab brush variants each using the same image for the brush dab, but with different brush control settings and different names.


Method Two:


Select the Captured Dab brush variant that uses the image for its brush dab you want to use for a new Captured Dab brush variant.
Use File > Open and navigate to the folder where that Captured Dab brush variant is located.
You'll see a JPG file with the same file name as the Captured Dab brush variant XML file.
Highlight that JPG file and click the Open button.
The JPG Captured Dab file is now open on the screen and it's a negative version of the original image.
In Effects > Tonal Control, choose Negative. Now the image is a positive.
Select the brush variant you want to change to a Captured Dab variant.
Select the positive image and in the Brush Selector menu, choose Capture Dab.
Save the brush variant as a custom Captured Dab variant with a unique name not already used by Painter.
Restore the original brush variant to its default state.
If you want to use multiple custom Captured Dab brush variants, and want to access them quickly, drag their icons into a Custom Palette.



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[genocell]

Jinny, what I meant by 'I've used captured dab feature before.' is I have tried this successfully before. And I did a second try and it actually worked as it should, like before. The reason the capture dab didn't worked for me THIS TIME after selecting other brush was because I didn't restart my Painter and windows after 3 days. My fault.

Thank you very much for taking your time in writing that all out. I didn't explain it clearly
what I meant by 'like in Photoshop' and I agree that you've seen this all the time and got tired of it and I didn't meant it like that. Sorry I had too much coffee.

Thank you for spending your precious time writing that lenghty explanation. I am sure some one here can use your helpful tips. :thumbsup:

And Jinny, I did read the help file. :)

EDIT: Your post did help me out. I have also forgotten to click on "restore default variant" after switching my brushes. My brain was tired and I can't even remember which mistake that I made. I am sorry for any misunderstanding. I guess I just jumped on this forum when I lost my way around in painter...

[Jinbrown]

Hi genocell,

What counts is that you know how to do it. ;)

Thanks for letting me know since it sound like you were having trouble.

All's well that ends well.


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[acmepixel]

This thread has become very useful, thanks to Jinny.

It should be made sticky for all users of both apps.


It's true there are many things Painter and Photoshop have in common, and it's true they are two very different programs. Frankly, it's a waste of everyone's time to try to do many things in Painter exactly the way they're done in Photoshop.
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This is great advice. And should be a Mantra for all multi-app users.

[kraal]

jin---- no prob in helping you out since you have helped me out many times over a span of three fourms
maybe more

[DigArts]

My interest in this question concerns the actual re-use of Photoshop brushes in Painter. This thread has not covered this topic to my satisfaction, so I'm chiming in.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I see two ways to do this;
One, as Painter Dabs, and
two, as Painter Nozzles.
First, the Photoshop brush must be loaded in Photoshop itself, then exported as a small b/w file that Painter can read. Then create a new brush variant and load the PS brush as a Dab. Or import it as a Nozzle.

You can also use Bryce terrain alpha files, Zbrush alpha brushes, or any b/w or greyscale image. In addition, you can import (Acquire) Photoshop or Illustrator Custom Shapes, and use these as brushes.
Re-using exported Photoshop brushes in Painter can be a bit of a problem.

There's an older tutorial, maybe two now that I think about it (see Painting Concrete Textures as well as Making Captured Brushes), on my Tutorials page. The method tutorial addresses some issues that will help produce a more satisfactory result in Painter.

With nozzles, you'll have trouble using an exported B&W or grayscale image. First, you'll need to separate the image from the background. Painter's selection tools aren't the best, so that's more easily done in PS first. Save that layered image as a PSD, open in Painter and group the layer (even though there's only one) and then make your nozzle.

Using the image as a nozzle has some benefits and drawbacks. As a nozzle you'll have less system overhead than with a captured brush. But, you don't have as many brush settings available to you either. So, a lot depends on what you want to to with the brush.

Good luck,

Dennis @ DigArts
http://www.gardenhose.com (http://www.gardenhose.com/)

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