Modeling on the Ground...

[flingster]

saw the work in the earlier thread...but good on ya for sharing very useful trick.
:thumbsup:

[H. Ikeda]

Thanks, flingster.

Also further comments, suggestions and questions will be appreciated.

Best wishes,:cool:

[JIII]

i have nothing to say but thanks.

[creart]

Especially the null- for the polygonobjects is very useful, Hiroshi.
If you start working by putting a copy of a null for every y-position you want to put a level of a building on, it is now very easy to put your (polygon) object there...

It's too bad that the primitives can't work the same way, but you can always keep a group of original objects and then copy and edit those, which is probably even better, since you keep a group of 'master' objects that way...

So thanks again, Hiroshi!

Hans

[creart]

Hiroshi,

I have been playing with the null- polygon method..
I haven't looked into Coffee really... would it be possible to get this to work with a group of objects as well? Say you constructed a table, and you've put this in a group - now that doesn't work with your XPresso - you first have to connect everything and then when you put the table in it's ok, but then you miss out on the 'easier' way of texturing and have to use selections, which is ok of course, but takes more time.
So it would be easier to have this working with a group.
Can COFFEE look at the bounding box of a group and decide what the minY is??

cheers

Hans

[H. Ikeda]

Well, I was thinking about that a little, 'cause the Null for the Ground is not effective for a Figure primitive that has been made editable (i.e., a hierarchical object).
I could say COFFEE can trace all objects in the hierarchy and decide minimum y coordinate. I'll try this soon, but trials by others are also welcome.
But I'm not sure XPresso can do this, though a Hierarchy node, which is a kind of iterator, can trace objects such as DNDN... = Down, Next, Down, Next... So I couldn't say it's impossible with XPresso. Anyway, I'll be thinking also about this.

Cheers,:lightbulb

[H. Ikeda]

Well, well, not so soon, but not later...:shrug:

BTW, I feel that it may be possible to make a special null with XPresso valid for both primitives and polygons.
This may look like XPresso including full of COFFEE nodes. Almost COFFEE expression? Right, but you could understand somewhat easily what's going on in the XPresso, rather than pure COFFEE expression.

:annoyed: :wip:

[creart]

Sounds good Hiroshi!

My problem unfortunately is I'm not to 'loose' on COFFEE and that's apart from the lack of time to test these kind of things..

I have been testbuilding a complex using your null-polygon method and it really is a LOT simpler!!! Now it's a breeze building a couple of walls under the 0-level null and then copying those to the 1-level null or higher and they jump to the proper y straight away - yep - really very good!!!!

cheers

Hans

[H. Ikeda]

Thanks, creart. Maybe simple is the best.:)

BTW, before a unified version of Ground Null, a R7 version has been uploaded (for XL7 users):

Ground for R7.zip (http://www.interq.or.jp/aquarius/ikeda3dr/data/cgtalk/Ground for R7.zip)

In this folder, there are two files, one for primitives, another for polygons (that is, not unified).

Cheers, :cool:

[creart]

I'll take a look at it as soon as possible
I am using it with R8.1 by the way....

cheers Hans :wavey:

[flingster]

H. Ikeda: hey bud....what about instant coffee...don't ask me cos i don't understand this programming/scripting lark...lifes to short....but surely your new plugin concept would be well cool for functions like this...eg align to object normal/plane/objectname etc...offset...objectname join objectname....whatever hopefully you get the idea..:thumbsup:

[H. Ikeda]

creart: I know. That's for XL7 users. Sorry for poor explanation.
flingster: That's good and possible. And basically instant COFFEE supports commands, which mean they act just once (e.g., just place an object on the ground), while XPresso (expression) means it acts always (e.g., a primitive still on the ground after being changed in size).
Instant COFFEE can be a handy tool for just placing objects on the ground though. I'll add this command.

Thanks, :)

[H. Ikeda]

So here are unified versions of Ground series for both primitives and polygons, 'Ground Nulls,'

Ground Null.zip(R8.1) (http://www.interq.or.jp/aquarius/ikeda3dr/data/cgtalk/Ground Null.zip)

Ground Null for R7.zip (http://www.interq.or.jp/aquarius/ikeda3dr/data/cgtalk/Ground Null for R7.zip)

Unfortunately, R8 Null now cannot access capsule, cylinder and oiltank primitives maybe due to some problems of COFFEE in R8. For these objects, just use objects with XPresso in Primitives on the Ground. For R7, this is not the case and its functions are perfect ironically...

These Ground Nulls support ground leveling for both primitive and polygon objects, together with a group of object with a null. As a group, complex hierarchy is neglected and just children of the null are accessed. A simple case is shown as below.

http://www.interq.or.jp/aquarius/ikeda3dr/data/cgtalk/gnull.jpg

Have fun,

[flingster]

cool...thanks for the file.:buttrock:

[AdamT]

Thanks Hiroshi!

[H. Ikeda]

flingster, AdamT: You're welcome.

Also to people who have downloaded it for their valuable work.

cheers,:beer:

[creart]

Yes Hiroshi, I also really appreciate the work and effort you're putting into this - I just haven't had too much time to check everything out yet, but guys like you make certain things that guys like us can come up with, so much easier!!!

Thanx again!!!!

[nhytro]

Hi Hiroshi! Ccould I have the expression too? I could not download it from the link because the file does not exist on your server anymore.


thanks

[Ric535]

or try this

http://www.renderosity.com/freestuff.ez?Topsectionid=12&Sectionid=92

[nhytro]

Cool, thanks Ric :)

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