Ozone3 is out

[videodv]

I have Ozone2 and am thinking of upgrading to Ozone3, I Currently Have Cinema 9.6.

How are you finding it - is it stable! is it workable! are the results as good as advertised!

Many thanks for your replies.

Videodv.

[ooo]

And even xStream for OSX is available! Finally!

Thanks for the headsup! :thumbsup:

odo

[janosch1234]

Thanks for the headsup! :thumbsup:
odo
Hi,
maybe, for some C4D-News, you guys are interested in my Blog.
Its in german ... but even then the title/link would say often enough.
http://cinema4dnews.blogspot.com/
(I try to keep it updated on a daily basis, based on the news from the forums.)

Regards from Spain

Jan

[Archigraphica]

We'll I literally have had it installed for 20minutes and I haven't even lookeda the settings but opened an existing (WIP) project and removed the Sky object and hit the "load (ozone3) atmosphere" button.... and it crashed to the desktop! Opened Cinema again, hit the same button and picked a generic sky without changing anything and this is what I got when I hit the render button. Oh, I did turn off the light it loaded to keep my lighting setup. 100% better than Ozone2! I'm anxious to play with it some more.


http://www.archigraphica.com/Ozone3.jpg

[ooo]

We'll I literally have had it installed for 20minutes and I haven't even lookeda the settings but opened an existing (WIP) project and removed the Sky object and hit the "load (ozone3) atmosphere" button.... and it crashed to the desktop! Opened Cinema again, hit the same button and picked a generic sky without changing anything and this is what I got when I hit the render button. Oh, I did turn off the light it loaded to keep my lighting setup. 100% better than Ozone2! I'm anxious to play with it some more.


http://www.archigraphica.com/Ozone3.jpg

That's an amazing sky! Can't wait to play myself. I just ordered the upgrade.

@ janosch1234: thanks for the link, that's a great newsblog!

odo

[lllab]

very cool. can you make a hdri pano with it?
cheers
stefan

[ooo]

Check out the product page for some even more exiting clouds and animated skies. This just wow!

http://www.e-onsoftware.com/products/ozone/ozone_3.0/?page=0

odo

Still waiting for my downloadlink...

[ChrisCousins]

Hi people! Had a good dig around the site, the examples look like exactly the sort of thing I need, but I can't quite get a handle on the products - are Ozone and Vue both material systems that plug-in to Cinema, with Ozone doing skies and Vue landscapes? Or are they renderers in their own right?

There's a couple of jobs I've got coming up, would they be suitable in your opinion?
1) An atmospheric PAL resolution desert island-type scene with drifty clouds, setting sun etc
2) Slow pans around a semi-realistic golf course, 320x240 for a web site

Thanks all for any advice, the examples look fine indeed. On Mac, btw.

Cheers - Chris

[Archigraphica]

Ozone is a plugin that takes the atmosphere (sky/lighting) engine from Vue and uses it inside Cinema. When you insert or edit an "atmosphere" it brings up an external window then you just close it. But it works completely within Cinema. Vue xStream does the same thing as Ozone (working inside Cinema) but also ads the landscaping engine from Vue. I see there's a new version of xStream so it probably has this updated atmospheric engine in it. Then "Vue" is a stand alone program with it's own render.

So... Get Ozone if you want to make skies. Get xStream if you want to do large masses of vegitation and the skies. (but I still like DPit!) I'm anxious to play with xStream 6.5!

One more thing: I'm be careful relying on this new release if you have a quick deadline. I remember when Ozone2 came out I got burned on an animation because of a bug. I told them about it and they had a patch out in a few days but I had to get the client to set the deadline back. I've found e-onsoftware very helpful with this sort of stuff. Good luck!

[ChrisCousins]

Thanks Archigraphica - I've got the luxury of having that rarest of things - a long deadline ;) Both jobs are more at the planning stage at the moment, so I'm getting my resources together. Last question - what are render times like for the volumetric skies? I expect them to be heavy, but say I'm making a 30s loop, would that be a killer?

Cheers - C

Ozone is a plugin that takes the atmosphere (sky/lighting) engine from Vue and uses it inside Cinema. When you insert or edit an "atmosphere" it brings up an external window then you just close it. But it works completely within Cinema. Vue xStream does the same thing as Ozone (working inside Cinema) but also ads the landscaping engine from Vue. I see there's a new version of xStream so it probably has this updated atmospheric engine in it. Then "Vue" is a stand alone program with it's own render.

So... Get Ozone if you want to make skies. Get xStream if you want to do large masses of vegitation and the skies. (but I still like DPit!) I'm anxious to play with xStream 6.5!

One more thing: I'm be careful relying on this new release if you have a quick deadline. I remember when Ozone2 came out I got burned on an animation because of a bug. I told them about it and they had a patch out in a few days but I had to get the client to set the deadline back. I've found e-onsoftware very helpful with this sort of stuff. Good luck!

[tcastudios]

xstream has been very tempting for me, I asked for (and got a dload link)the PLE version to check it out but the mac version (of the PLE as I understand it) was not ready yet.

It would be very interesting to know how stable it is....


Cheers
Lennart

[kromekat]

And even xStream for OSX is available! Finally!

Thanks for the headsup! :thumbsup:

odo

Great news! - just ordered my sidegrade from Vue 6 Infinite - been waiting for that integration for a while. I just hope it's stable! - Vue 6 has been a mixed bag of reliability, but there is no question of it's quality and usefulness.

Adam

[Continuumx]

Vue is getting better all the time, I have definitely enjoyed xstream. Dense vegetation is no longer a complicated issue, very simple and quite fun.

I have some tests I made the other day in working out some rocks and vegetation strategies.

This is just a test mind you, I have some more complex ideas for how this will be used:

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/6808/rocktest3cv5.jpg

[Lex1968]

Just curious; before I dive into xStream OSX to make animations with C4D and want to render on a commercial render-farm. Does this farm needs both C4D and Vue nodes? Wich commercial render-farms can render animations that are made with xStream ?

Lex

[FredSpeaks]

Quick question. Is Ozone 3 like Ozone 2 where you get both mac and windows installers and it is usable on Net Render?

Thanks

[ooo]

Quick question. Is Ozone 3 like Ozone 2 where you get both mac and windows installers and it is usable on Net Render?

Thanks

You get both installers indeed. Netrender I'm not sure, but I guess so.

odo

[spirozero]

Just to clarify - regarding Vue's atmosphere engine, there's no difference between Ozone3 and xStream6.5? I can create the exact same atmospheres in C4D using either plugin?

Slightly off topic: I can guess what a floating license is, but what's a nodelocked license? How does it stay "locked"?

Thanks.

[Archigraphica]

I have a 900frame test render generating that's at 80%. I stuck it on last night to test NET and see how the animated skies look. I just used my main workstation and a single client. Just copying over the Ozone3 directory under plugins doesn't work. I installed Ozone3 on the client machine and got the image below. I tried opening cinema on the client machine and entering the serial number but it has a different activation number than my main machine. After going back and looking at their web site I think they expect you to buy a seperate $99 liscense for each client, but I could by WAY off on that! I've sent them an email asking about this along with a number of other "issues" I've ran into.

Also it looks weird when it's rendering with NET: Looks like this on the client machine:

Rendering frame 729 at <bla,bla,bla>
{Ozone 3} Plugin for C4D} Begin render of frame
{Ozone 3} Beginning render with Cinema4D software
{Ozone 3} Plugin for C4D} Initializing xStream render engine
{Ozone 3} Initializing render engine
{Ozone 3} Plugin for C4D} Freeing Ozone render engine data
{Ozone 3} Freeing render engine data
{Ozone 3} Plugin for C4D} End render of frame
{Ozone 3} Finishing Render
Rendering frame 730 at .........

Really different than Ozone2


http://www.archigraphica.com/Ozone3a.jpg

[FredSpeaks]

On e-on site, the extra render node has a warning that sates it is not for network rendering.

Archigraphica, That is not looking good for network rendering. :cry:

[ooo]

Just to clarify - regarding Vue's atmosphere engine, there's no difference between Ozone3 and xStream6.5? I can create the exact same atmospheres in C4D using either plugin?

Slightly off topic: I can guess what a floating license is, but what's a nodelocked license? How does it stay "locked"?

Thanks.
I think both use the exact same engine.

Floating and nodelocked look here:
http://www.e-onsoftware.com/support/f.a.q/?page=vue6xstreamFAQ

[ooo]

On e-on site, the extra render node has a warning that sates it is not for network rendering.

Archigraphica, That is not looking good for network rendering. :cry:

I guess if you want to use Ozone on Net you're forced to use xStream. but it comes at a price...

Can I use network rendering with xStream?
Yes. You can use any Max/Maya/LightWave/Cinema 4Ddistributed network rendering solution (such as Backburner).

Can I use a single xStream license for network rendering?
You need to purchase a separate license for each render node. You can either use full blown licenses, or the cheaper "Vue 6 xStream Render Node" network-render-only licenses.

Edit: or buy the Ozone extra $99,- render licences? Not sure why that shouldn't work?

[kromekat]

I downloaded my XStream sidegrade last night, and I haven't really had any time to try it out properly, but what I noticed firstly, is that the rendering of a Vue atmsophere in Cinema is quite a bit slower than it is in the native Vue app - not sure if there are some Cinema setings governing the quality natively or what - I'll test it out later when I have some more time.

Adam

[AdamT]

After playing with Xtreme PLE for a while I decided to pick it up at Siggy, where they were offering a 10% discount. Well, actually it will be shipped after Siggraph (no shipping charges either). Very anxious to try the full version. I'm 90% sure they told me that you can only network render with Cinema/Vue using the $99 command line nodes.

They were demoing Ozone with LW ... and they crashed it during the demo.

Also saw a ZB3.1 demo with Meats Meier where he crashed the program halfway through. Forgot to save, too.

Got a warm fuzzy feeling going back to my Cinema demo station where I had zero crashes in three days. :)

[Archigraphica]

I've had numerous crashes with Ozone3 so far. And besides the crashes I'm getting these weird 20-30 sec pauses that only occur in files that have an Ozone3 atmosphere loaded. Also it's allot slower than Ozone2.

As for no NET rendering.... that's ridiculous! They haven't responded yet to my questions but from the sounds of it they do in fact expect you to buy a $99 liscense for each render node. I will not support that! I render everything, stills and animations on my little (and quickly becoming outdated) 10seat farm. I can't sit and wait for even a still to render on my main machine when I need to be using it to work on other projects. I can kinda rationalize buying a render node liscense for something like Vray or another seperate render engine... but for a sky plugin, not gonna happen. Especially at $99 a seat.

I do my own lighting for each (architectural) project (and for each camera in each project) so I have no use for Ozone's light setups. Now I haven't played with it enough (mainly because it isn't stable enough) so maybe the new lighting is really useful.
But I mainly want it for a cool background sky. So unless something changes I'm probably going to use it to generate background layers on my main machine and that's about it. I've played with xStream but thought it was really expensive, slow, and really buggy at the time it first came out. I haven't looked at it recently.

Now I'm worried about when I upgrade to the next workstation is it going to give me different authorization numbers than It originally did and I'm going to have to contact them
each time I switch to get a new serial number?

I've been waiting for something like a year for this to come out. I was so excited now I'm so dissapointed that it doesn't work like Ozone2 did in Net. ODO mentioned something about Backburner? Does anybody use this instead of NET? Is it something worth looking into?

[Continuumx]

No crashes with xstream and 6.5 yet.

I do not know how much interactivity you have with ozone 3 but as far as C4D and xstream it is not too bad, vue on its own is performing well. There were some issues with ecosystems and c4d using xstream. I have not tested to see if it is fixed with 6.5.

[dann_stubbs]

I've been waiting for something like a year for this to come out. I was so excited now I'm so dissapointed that it doesn't work like Ozone2 did in Net. ODO mentioned something about Backburner? Does anybody use this instead of NET? Is it something worth looking into?

backburner is the render manager that comes with max. wouldn't make any difference technically just their version (but more advanced) of NET Server essentially

dann

[JoelOtron]

Sorry to post here, but since we're "sort of" on the subject of alternative render queue apps, has anyone tried smedge 3 with c4d and or vue? Smedge can render any app that can be controlled by command line. (I assume vue allows for commandline rendering?)

http://www.uberware.net/smedge3/features.php

Im doing some research and so far only have come across one person who is using smedge instead of NET.

[Archigraphica]

FYI:

We're working on the lockups you described. We're trying to reproduce and identify the problem. Hopefully it will be fixed with the first update for Ozone 3.
Ozone 3 should work ok on your NET setup. Simply install Ozone 3 on all the computers. The difference with Ozone 2 is that Ozone 3 requires a license per computer participating in the network render.

Best regards.
Ben Lewald

[spirozero]

I'm still a bit confused about the differences between xStream 6.5 & Ozone3.

I email E-on tech and they told me that xStream 6.5 & Ozone3 share the same atmospheric engine. Cool.

What I don't understand is this: with Ozone3 you can import, load, and/or create Vue atmospheres from within C4D, right? But you can't create Vue atmospheres within C4D using xStream, can you? You can load Vue atmospheres using xStream, but you can't create them, right?

[FredSpeaks]

I received this from tech support. I wonder how much render nodes will be.

"The e-on software support technician responded:
Hi Michael,

We've actually decided to change our policy. Render node licenses for Ozone will be available before the end of the month.

Best regards.
Ben Lewald"

[Archigraphica]

I received a similar response but they wouldn't say how much it would cost. My suggestion was that it needed to deal with the server and not the client. Also Ozone is a pretty sky plugin and not a full blown render engine and that trying to charge $99 a node was ridiculous. They didn't comment on that... go figure! Just have to wait and see what happens.

spirozero: I haven't played with xStream since it originally came out so I could be way off but it seems like it rendered in an external window, not Cinema's internal renderer. So you could edit the atmosphere but you couldn't use it internally like how Ozone works.

[AdamT]

I received a similar response but they wouldn't say how much it would cost. My suggestion was that it needed to deal with the server and not the client. Also Ozone is a pretty sky plugin and not a full blown render engine and that trying to charge $99 a node was ridiculous. They didn't comment on that... go figure! Just have to wait and see what happens.

spirozero: I haven't played with xStream since it originally came out so I could be way off but it seems like it rendered in an external window, not Cinema's internal renderer. So you could edit the atmosphere but you couldn't use it internally like how Ozone works.
It will render in Cinema's window, but you have to set up the environment in Vue. xStream comes with a plugin that allows you to open Vue from within Cinema and you can go back in forth. In practice I don't think it would be much different than working with Ozone.

[chromecity]

I'm still a bit confused about the differences between xStream 6.5 & Ozone3.

I email E-on tech and they told me that xStream 6.5 & Ozone3 share the same atmospheric engine. Cool.

What I don't understand is this: with Ozone3 you can import, load, and/or create Vue atmospheres from within C4D, right? But you can't create Vue atmospheres within C4D using xStream, can you? You can load Vue atmospheres using xStream, but you can't create them, right?
Actually, Vue 6.5 xStream encompasses everything Vue 6.5 Infinte does, plus the connection to C4D. So yes, you can certainly create Vue atmospheres using xStream.

[ooo]

I think indeed there is not much difference in atmosphere options. In Ozone you load an atmosphere and in xStream you create a new vue scene by loading an atmosphere. Both versions are editable though have a slightly different interface. I think Ozone is at the moment a bit more stable.

odo

PS: I'm not sure what you mean with creating an atmosphere. You load one and then edit it's settings. Saving an edited atmosphere = creating? In both versions there is a "new" button in the editor window.

[rsquires]

I bought this and the spectral clouds are great. Except ever time I use them it crashes my machine. It's a Mac Pro and so it should be good for whatever is thrown at it. I am disappointed. I can't seem to get a single spectral atmos out at all without Cinema locking up.

If anyone has a mac and is interested in Ozone 3 I would treat with caution

regards

rich

PS Also the technical support at eon software is woeful. It's like they don't want to help. I am pretty annoyed about this.

[kromekat]

I have discovered that XStream is the same unfortunately - I tried it on a couple of jobs recently, and ended up using Cinema's own SKY plugin instead. Vue Infinite has been unstable, but I have been able to produce a number of illustrations with aome persistance, but I can't see the XStream option ever providing what i'd hoped due to it's complete flakiness! - I should have known better I guess.

I'd be fascinated to know what systems they have it actually functioning solidly on (if at all) at eon!?!

Adam

[Other3DMaster]

I have had to "Force Quit" C4D from the Finder everytime I have tried to use Ozone 3. It just doesn't work at this point.

[ooo]

I'm on a job right now where I use Xstream in C4D (OSX G5). Testing several things and a lot of crashes indeed. But I also had some good results! So I'm not abandoning this right now. I think the order of working is also important. The good results came when I prepared and saved my scene in Xstream and then opened C4d to import this scene with the Xstream plugin. Hopefully there will be an update soon to solve some of the problems but I have to say E-on is very slow with these and even a finished version is always having stability issues. I'll report back when I have done some more testing.

odo

[rsquires]

I am glad it's not just me! It does annoy me that software developers can sell stuff that just doesn't work. I would be interested in hearing from other Ozone 3.0 users who have had success using it.

regards

Richard

[ooo]

I just tried the spectral sky in Ozone 3 on my G5 R10 and that renders without crashing. Seems to be a Intel compile error? Any specific setup that I can try to see if I get it to crash?

odo

[AdamT]

I've had a lot of crashes with xStream but I can render spectral clouds on my Mac Pro running Win32.

[flingster]

After playing with Xtreme PLE for a while I decided to pick it up at Siggy, where they were offering a 10% discount. Well, actually it will be shipped after Siggraph (no shipping charges either). Very anxious to try the full version. I'm 90% sure they told me that you can only network render with Cinema/Vue using the $99 command line nodes.

They were demoing Ozone with LW ... and they crashed it during the demo.

Also saw a ZB3.1 demo with Meats Meier where he crashed the program halfway through. Forgot to save, too.

Got a warm fuzzy feeling going back to my Cinema demo station where I had zero crashes in three days. :)

unstable stuff just winds me up ... i can't be arsed with it anymore ... i stop using stuff thats unstable after awhile because it becomes a chore to use it rather than a pleasure.
putting out flakey stuff for users to essentially beta test is annoying also its a real bugbear with me...good job i don't develop stuff not sure it would ever get released!

[rsquires]

I just tried the spectral sky in Ozone 3 on my G5 R10 and that renders without crashing. Seems to be a Intel compile error? Any specific setup that I can try to see if I get it to crash?

odo

Try animating a spectral cloud scene by adding velocity to the clouds. I haven't tried it on my other G5 but may give it a go. Problem is it's not as powerful and would take 3 times as long to render as my Mac Pro. Ozone clouds in the spectral setting take almost 2 mins on my fast machine so we are looking at 6 mins or more on the G5


all the best

rich

[ooo]

I just tried the spectral cloudscene with velocity. And it renders (sloooowwww!). Rendering to quicktime caused a crash, rendering to targa sequence seems to be ok. So not very reliable and desperately need for a fix ecpecially for IntelMac. All we can do is hope (and report bugs).

odo

Edit: hmmm halfway the sequece the rendering stopped and crashed cinema. Is this some kind of memory issue? The part that renderd is OK though.
I'll see how xStream behaves with a similar setup...

Edit2: xStream did the velocity animation without crashing!

[boxy]

I am glad it's not just me! It does annoy me that software developers can sell stuff that just doesn't work. I would be interested in hearing from other Ozone 3.0 users who have had success using it.

regards

Richard

Jesus H here we go again. I had such trouble with Vue 5 on a PPC G5 I stopped using it.
Having given eon the benefit of the doubt I bought Ozone 3 this morning and virtually every render I try just hangs so that I eventually have to force quit cinema. The annoying thing is on the rare occasion a render does work it looks great and is exactly what I need for a current tight deadline job aaargh!
Boxy :)

[kromekat]

I know what you mean Sav, I cannot believe how unstable Eon software appears to be, even on new and 'improved' versions, and it is especially frustrating, because 'when' they do work, they create such beautiful results.

Adam

[boxy]

Lol, lets hope there's a fix soon because I like it very much.
Cheers
Adam
Sav

[ooo]

The problem with the E-On software is that make too many different versions and bridges etc. They want integration with every 3D app and have to make code that is fully compatible with every new version. If they would focus more, things could be so much better. I'm afraid that they announce a new version before they have a stable current version. And indeed if it works as advertised and visible in some of the non-crashed renders it gives perfect results!
I'm also starting a new project next week where I hope to use some heavy populated ecosystems and realistic skies. I'll have lot of testing to do before I try to use it I'm afraid. I'll share my testing if I find some usable tricks to get a finished rendering.

odo

[boxy]

I think you're right, its just too mind boggling trying to choose a product to suit.

Fingers crossed, it might just be a coincidence but since I changed my render threads to optimal instead of 4 it seems to be behaving a little better (its a core duo macbook pro). It would be interesting to see if anyone else finds the same.
Cheers
Boxy

[kromekat]

I think you're right, its just too mind boggling trying to choose a product to suit.

Fingers crossed, it might just be a coincidence but since I changed my render threads to optimal instead of 4 it seems to be behaving a little better (its a core duo macbook pro). It would be interesting to see if anyone else finds the same.
Cheers
Boxy

Call me a cynic, but I suspect thats purely coincidental! :]

Adam

[boxy]

You cycnic :)
Cheers

EDIT: and you are right to be, just crashed again hehe.

[kromekat]

You cycnic :)
Cheers

EDIT: and you are right to be, just crashed again hehe.

Uhuh!...:rolleyes:

[ooo]

Very encouraging thread :hmm:

[Archigraphica]

It's also all but unusable on the windows side for any type of production work. I finally got it to generate a few plates to use as backgrounds because it can't be trusted. It has a habit of corrupting the file data. So only try it on a COPY of your original file! That and it's doing some strange things like when you set the file up (render size) and hit render it changes the frame size back to 320x240. Can't figure that one out at all.

It took a patch before Ozone2 was really usable. Hopefully this will be the same way. It makes me real leary of dropping a grand on xStream with them releasing something this unstable. But I probably wouldn't buy it anyway cause I'm still ticked off about the $99 liscense per render seat.

[smurfted]

Has anyone had any problems with the pc version? As i use both mac and pc..

[boxy]

Well I'm ot sure its worth getting yet. I've commited myself to using it for this project now but the statistics speak for themselves - force quit C4D 10 without ozone - about 1 every 2 months maybe :)
force quit C4D 10 with ozone - perhaps 20-50 a day! Who on earth let this out without asking me to beta test it on this particular setup ?:) I will say though, once a stabilser release happens it'll be an awsome addition to my Cinema scenes.
Boxy

[Archigraphica]

IT's been awhile and after a number or requests to find out what was going on I finally got a message from E-onsoftware saying that there was an update for Ozone3. I downloaded it but couldn't figure out how to install it. I switched to V10.5 from V9.5 since I first tried Ozone3. The problem is my Ozone is an update form Ozone2. I couldn't get Ozone2 to work with V10 so there was no way to update it to Ozone3. I've made ANOTHER request to them but haven't heard back. If anybody figures this out please let me know.

thanks

[boxy]

Can't help you but had to say, I did update and Ozone3 still made my job an absolute nightmare. thankfully we have a backup system now but I must have wasted a good day and a half wrestling with Ozone when I only had 3 days to do a weeks worth of work. I will never buy another Eon product again. I have now tried 2 products on 2 different processors, with god knows how many 'update fixes' and still I end up with the same unstable piece of manure.
Cheers
Boxy

[boxy]

double post

[kromekat]

Can't help you but had to say, I did update and Ozone3 still made my job an absolute nightmare. thankfully we have a backup system now but I must have wasted a good day and a half wrestling with Ozone when I only had 3 days to do a weeks worth of work. I will never buy another Eon product again. I have now tried 2 products on 2 different processors, with god knows how many 'update fixes' and still I end up with the same unstable piece of manure.
Cheers
Boxy

It's not good is it :/

Still havent reealy pursued any usage of XStream since my first scares with it, but have used Vue Infinite with few issues. I agree though, that when you have workloads, you just cannot take the chance on something so unstable.

Adam

[boxy]

Hi Adam
That is the main probelm. I am talking about Vue5 though and I really want to upgrade to 6 because the general consensus seemed to be it was better plus the new features look really nice on paper - but after having this repeated with Ozone 3 I just can't bring myself to spend any more money on products which consistently f*** up my chances of making a good impression with clients - they have no choice but to only see it as my incompitence :)
Cheers
Sav

[hentsteph]

The update is BETA !!! :rolleyes:

[ooo]

Hey great another update by E-On!

NOT!

Ok I have to try this first (if I dare). The latest X-Stream updated broke the bridge between C4D and X-Stream. They seem to have no Betatesters. Edit: all users are being used as betatesters. How annoying this all is :(

odo

[boxy]

And paying for the privelige of being a beta tester, shouldn't it be the other way around ha!
Well even now I am daring to hope the final candidate might fix that slightly serious problem of corrupting C4D data beyond use. It should be an amazing plug, I will gladly eat my words if it becomes so.
Cheers
Boxy

[hentsteph]

I'm wondering how many bug reportes they received... Now where should I look, the Genness Book of Records ;)

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