Chubb Chubbs WIN!

[robinson]

Who was faster ??? Who was faster ???
There are a few out there.
:D
http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51661

[dave_baer]

heh heh... he beat me by 1 minute. :beer:

[Angelus26]

Sigh, Cathedral should have won it, that's the oscars for ya.

[UrbanFuturistic]

I'm sorry, but The Chubb Chubbs was a stinking pile of goats doings. It sucked!!! I've pulled better shorts out my arse!

Still haven't seen The Cathedral.

Rule one for sucking: recognise you suck and spare the world from ever knowing.

regards, Paul

[kr3ml]

I just dont understand this... the last year it was a comedy winner to in short animated film... and it wasnt even funny this year... havent seen The Cathedral, but I think it should have won.

[alexvfx]

I am not trying to defend or against any of the Oscars winner and nominees, however, can you please explain to me in detail exactly why does Chubb Chubbs stink? Can you do what SPI have done? Can you outdo them so that they must hire you?

[malducin]

I liked the ChubbChubbs myself, it made me laugh. And hopefully this will be more boon for Imageworks animation projects.

[amygdalae]

Originally posted by odubtaig
I'm sorry, but The Chubb Chubbs was a stinking pile of goats doings. It sucked!!! I've pulled better shorts out my arse!


But surely riddled with skidmarks,

regards

[svenip]

everyone who has seen the chubchubs must agree that it has no story at all. the surprise that the little cute birds are evil animals was clear from the beginning. the look was nice, but have you seen how many people and how long have worked on that !?!?

so someone here asked if we could do the same

YES !!!

[Heber]

Originally posted by odubtaig
I'm sorry, but The Chubb Chubbs was a stinking pile of goats doings. It sucked!!! I've pulled better shorts out my arse!

regards, Paul


really? well id like to see them and remember you said "better" chubbs chuubs wasnt as bad as your making it out to be , but yes cathedral was in my opinion the best . looks like someone was bribed? perhaps....no? maybe?

[gnarlycranium]

THAT thing beat out Cathedral??? You have GOT to be kidding me.... ugggggh.. it wasn't even FUNNY! :rolleyes:

[baby]

:thumbsdow

this short is nice...but not very funny...a pity for a comedy...

it would be a very good student movie, but not an academy award winner !!!!

[mlykke]

I found the Chubb Chubbs funny....

But The Cathedral was so cool. Ohh well.... at least For the birds won last year.

[xzevlin]

I have seen a few shorts on this site and other places around the web that should've been at the Oscars last night (Passing Moments for one, Guernica too). It's too bad they were released online and not eligible for the awards.

I predict that by next year, 4 or 5 of the major computer animation studios will manage to get plotless yet pretty R&D test animations attached to major motion pictures, therefore making them eligible for the Oscar. :hmm:

[GRMac13]

hmm..I'm starting to see a trend here with big studios taking home the Oscar for best short. Do you think independents even stand a chance, cuz I'm really starting to wonder.

DISCLAIMER: I personally thought all of the films nominated were great (well except for the 2 I didnt see), just confused as to why Chubbs Chubbs won over Cathedral.

[LukasS]

It's all wrong!! This chicken shit shouldn't have won it wasn't even funny!, but i see that big studios are given prizes and not the ones that should have got it!

Shame on you!
I'm pissed off

[TLy]

I've seen most of the shorts in competition (only half of cathedral)

But don't be surprise that the cathedral didn't get the oscar, because it's basically a technological demo, it's not what i call a short movie.

But the chubbs chubbs wasn't the best.... DAS RAD was , but nobody saw it. Great story, animation, very original and beautiful, and what makes it deserve even more the oscar is that it's student work!!

I say u guys should take a look at it, it really was oscar worthy...

[CGmonkey]

Hmm... I saw the oscars, nice show! ;)

Uhm... But, I haven't seen chubbchubbs... Will they present it on 3dfestival or something? :] I need to see it now! ;) hehe

[Scott Harris]

Hey guys...in my opinion it is very hard to judge who should have been the winner based off the fact that the chub chubs short was created by a team of artists...while the cathedral was produce primarily by one single person...

Does anyone think that...since there is so much amazing work out there by both teams and individuals...that maybe they should have it split into two different categories?

[lildragon]

At least Cathedral got a nomination, that's way above excellent in my book :shrug: How many of you can say that will ever happen to you?

You don't have to win to be a winner. The creators will move unto bigger and better things, it just like Star Search, some of the best talent never won and they're now one of the biggest things in the music industry.

salud

[Scott Harris]

you know...i agree, that is very true.

[ai_jai]

Chubb Chubbs is excellent in my view, at the 3D leaf festival in october (london) and it got one of the biggest response out of the whole festival. The comedy humor, mixed with excellent animation, and a simple, and funny idea make it an excellent short for me.

I have only seen the trailer for the cathedral, so i cant comment much on that, the only thing i could say is that they're a completely different style. Chubb Chubbs is a nice idea brilliantly executed.

for anyone who hasn't seen it, it's on the Men In Black II Bonus DVD.

Don't mean to offend any by this, but i cant see anything wrong with the Chubb Chubbs.:thumbsup:

[TLy]

Nothing wrong with Chubbs chubbs, except that it was the best...
DAS RAD was by far!!

Nobody saw that?? are we on a CG forum or what?

and the cathedral = technological demo... it's pretty but that's not enough to make a short movie, don't u think so?

[strick9]

I know Cathedral is a short, but is there a trailer online for it?

[ai_jai]

This should do the trick Strick! (http://www.platige.com/katedra/)

:thumbsup:

[Dominique]

This ain't a good film, ChubChubs,

Sprout is miles-better, (for me)

Dom

[Stimpy]

bah. what a disappointment.

it certainly didnt win on accounts of originality.

bah.

[altruizine]

Yeah, for those who haven't seen Das Rad, please make an attempt to. Fantastic stop motion animation w/ some great digital effects.

I've seen the Cathedral trailer and was deeply impressed - where can I catch the full piece?

[Matt Leishman]

I agree with Dominique, I wish Sprouts would have been nominated. It was such a great short, very creative story, visually beautiful, and stunning visual effects too. All the makings of an oscar winning short if you ask me.

Just my 2 bits.

[MDuffy]

Congrats to the Chubb Chubbs team! I found it to be an entertaining short.

I didn't really like The Cathedral. I've always thought the visuals were cool ever since I saw the first still images way-back-when, but I found the story (or lack thereof) rather pointless. Not good communication of the story or theme.

But IMHO the best animated short was Das Rad. Great story and theme, fantastic visuals, good characters and interaction, unique point of view. Overall the best short of the nominees by far.

Mike's New Car was mildly entertaining... not nearly as good as For The Birds.

Mt. Head (Atamayama) was just plain creepy. It had me laughing just because of how absurd it was. Very Japanese.


Later,
Michael Duffy
mduffy@ionet.net

[fester]

Is there anywhere on the web where I can see the whole film "the Cathedral?"

[JoBbE]

hmm i also would have prefered 'das rad' (for all of you who don't speak german, 'das rad' means 'the wheel', just in case you're interested in that...), maybe because it's a german production, i don't know. it definately is a great short, a must-see! i haven't seen the chubbchubs though. maybe it's really better.....

[ManuelM]

i do agree with most others. the chubbchubbs is quite impressive, regarding technical aspects but not outstanding, in comparison to the other high-tech demos, big companys are showing . in my opinion, "das rad" should definitively have won the award.
that short really tells a story, it was created by a very small group of students and they had a low budget, compared to the nominated shorts from the major studios. they have my respect and the fact that they were nominated already makes them a winner.

[r0bal]

I think that "The Cathedral" should have won the oscar. Unfortunately I haven't seen "Das rad" but I've heard that it's been the only competitor for The Cathedral.
BTW The Cathedral was made by ONE man (I'm thinking about CG not the music) and he also had small budget :)
I think that this kind of films is too tough for ordinary people who need something light and easy. The Oscars are for the "masses"...

[beaker]

Everyone seems to forget that this award is for best animated short. The award is not called "He who did the short all by themselves" or "Whoever worked the hardest" or "He who did the short all on a limited budget with their own money". You guys seem to think that simply because someone did something all by themself and that they worked really hard that they deserve the award. I just find alot of peoples reasons here for why the cathedral should have won very ludicrous. It should win because it is the best short overall, unfortunatly sweat and tears have nothing to do with this award. If it did then everyone should win(and they all did because being nominated for something like this is a huge honor to itself and it can never be taken away).

>>I think that this kind of films is too tough for ordinary people who need something light and easy. The Oscars are for the "masses"...

Many independent animated shorts have won in the past:
http://www.oscar.com/legacy/pastwin/short_ani0.html
http://www.oscar.com/legacy/pastwin/short_ani1.html
http://www.oscar.com/legacy/pastwin/short_ani2.html
Nick Park was a nobody when he first did creature comforts. If you look at those lists only 3 in the last 10 years are from big companies(pixar and blue sky). All the others are small independent ones. Nick Park's Walace and Gromit aren't exactly independent, but they weren't a well known family name back then either.

[LPlasma]

I disagree with a lot of people about cathedral, I mean don't get me wrong, it's very impressive for one guy. But I felt there were a lot of facets that were lacking (mainly animation and human modeling). It's mostly the enviornments + such that were impressive in that, not neccessarily the entire thing. That really matters a lot in this sort of thing to have it ALL polished. Just my own opinion though.

[AJ]

I got up this morning, found out that Spirited Away had won best Animated Feature - I had a huge grin on my face, I may have even whooped a little...

I then find out that the "Chubb Chubbs" won the best short... That smile drained into open mouthed shock...

How? HOW can this be the best animated short! In any medium it would be the tedium that it is to behold in it's current form. I'm still amazed that the same department behind the excellence of Stuart Little could be happy with something so mundane, unfunny and uninteresting.

Whenever people criticise something, there's always that niggling thought in the back of your head "Yeh... but could you have done any better?" - now I'm not an animator, I've never made an animated short film and I'm just one person... but my answer would be YES!

If my first idea/storyboards represented Chubb Chubb's, I would've assumed that I was drunk...

...and asleep...

...and crap.

:surprised

[Gotham]

Sorry.... But I can't believe in it.... Those Chubbs won.... How can it be I don't know....

[amygdalae]

I disagree with everyone's assertion that ChubbChubbs won because it was a big multi-million dollar team effort that sony poured its limitless resources into.

This is simply never the case with a short film within a large production company. Short projects like these are usually run by a different department, budget is very limited, and most people volunteer their time between full time shifts on other projects. Most people see it as a training oppurtunity to try their hand at another discipline.

It's not like places like SPI, ILM, Dreamworks, & Pixar put a bunch of money into shorts so they can muscle out the individual competitors.

I also think the comment about the look of the film not matching some of the 'high tech demos' of the other studios is irrelevant. A short film is not a high tech demo, and it's certainly not an example of the best a studio can do visually, it's what they can do quickly mostly with a team of volunteer employees...

[amygdalae]

Originally posted by r0bal
I think that "The Cathedral" should have won the oscar. Unfortunately I haven't seen "Das rad" but I've heard that it's been the only competitor for The Cathedral.
BTW The Cathedral was made by ONE man (I'm thinking about CG not the music) and he also had small budget :)
I think that this kind of films is too tough for ordinary people who need something light and easy. The Oscars are for the "masses"...

The film that wins doesnt have to be the 'best' in your opinion, it's simply the best film in the eyes of the majority of voting academy members. Why not have a cgtalk people's choice award if you want to Cathedral to win.

[Ultragames]

I htought it was funy, where can I download it ?

[John Lee]

Chub chubs is one of the best short films i seen this year! But haven't seen the full film of The Cathedral yet only the trailer does any one know where i can see it on the internet?

thanks guys

John Lee

[Gotham]

Hey, many of you saw only trailer of cathedral (maybe academy too... Hihi).

I must say to you that trailer is nothing. Absolutely nothing, when you see full animation...

Here (Poland) I have many ways to see full version of cathedral (in cinemas before film’s projection) and many others... Yes... In cinema it does THIS (huge?, incredible?… I don’t know how to name it) impressions!!!

[DanielJ]

Yeees! I agree with Gotham. It is amazing story

[Maya Ayanami]

I havent seen Cathedral or that das rad shorts. the only one I have seen is the chubs chubs one. and that was quite a while ago. I agree with some of you. I think that this wasnt that very big of an accomplishment for a big studio with a large team. and dont know much about the makeing of it but it wasnt too bad.

Did that one with the birds from pixar ever get an oscar. I liked that one. nice feathers. whatever.

where can I see. these other shorts or at least get some stills. I have no idea what the others look like or are about.

anyways who decides who is the winner. is it just the same ol people who decide the rest of the winners, or are they pro animators who know what they are dealing with. It isn't just about the story line or how funny it is. it is also technical achievments as well(I could be wrong though).
like a person who as absolutely no experience in 3D animation would never be able to appreciate some well done long hair. or really nice liquids. I dont know.


Is it ture that AliasWavefront won an Oscar for Maya. a friend of mine told me so. I dont know. Im just wierd like that.



You know.. there should be an oscar for best tech acheivement.
like if 2 shorts are equally as good but 1 was made with a large team and they were using a combination of things like Maya Lightwave Max and Renderman(they probably whould only use 1 3d modeling and animation program). And the other short was made by one guy useing something like Blender(Im not saying its bad) the award should go to mister blender man.

dont mind me. i dindt even watch the oscars and never have. I dont know what Im talking about.

[Matt]

Originally posted by odubtaig
I'm sorry, but The Chubb Chubbs was a stinking pile of goats doings. It sucked!!! I've pulled better shorts out my arse!

Still haven't seen The Cathedral.

Rule one for sucking: recognise you suck and spare the world from ever knowing.

regards, Paul

It won the highest award possible for it's genre. SUCK IT.

[halo]

an award doesnt make it good, it just means they thought it was the best from what they had to choose from...doesnt mean squat

it seems the two candidates i have seen didnt amount to much (cathdral and cc's)....both lacked heavily in certain areas...

seems like the art of the short was lost this year in the oscars

[pomru]

Originally posted by Ultragames
I htought it was funy, where can I download it ?
You can download ChubbChubbs for free from Movielink: http://www.movielink.com but you can only download it to a Windows computer (bad news for people with macs, linux, or other flavors of Unix :annoyed: ) and you must be in North America (bad news for the rest of the world :mad: ). Looks like the rest of us will have to rent the MIB II dvd for the short.

[UrbanFuturistic]

Originally posted by alexvfx
I am not trying to defend or against any of the Oscars winner and nominees, however, can you please explain to me in detail exactly why does Chubb Chubbs stink? Can you do what SPI have done? Can you outdo them so that they must hire you? Excerpt from the treatment for The Chubb Chubbs

Cliche, cliche, cliche, cliche. Cliche, cliche, cliche, cliche.

end excerpt

Sorry, but I must not be as easily dazzled by the technical aspects so as to be able to ignore the hideousness of the lame-ass excuse for a story.

regards, Paul

[TLy]

I will say it again : DAS RAD was by far the best short movie in competition
why does everybody talk about chubbs chubbs and cathedral...they are already wide known...

Das rad deserves to get some more exposure

[beaker]

Originally posted by Maya Ayanami
anyways who decides who is the winner. is it just the same ol people who decide the rest of the winners, or are they pro animators who know what they are dealing with. It isn't just about the story line or how funny it is. it is also technical achievments as well
It is voted on by people in the industry who are in the animation biz who are members of the academy. This could be producers, directors, executives of animation companies, animators, visualfx supervisors, etc... Many of them tend to be older crowd, people who have been in animation/visualfx for many years(15+ years). Like the head of the Visualfx award comittee is Richard Edlund (ran Boss films, one of the original members of ILM).
like a person who as absolutely no experience in 3D animation would never be able to appreciate some well done long hair. or really nice liquids. I dont know.
I'm sorry but this doesn't matter. As I said earlier, just because you work hard on an effect doesn't make it a better animation. If what you said was true then Star Wars AOTC should have been nominated/won for Best Picture. Animation is just like films, you don't win for having cooler effects then everyone else. Film festivals work the same way. Story is king, then comes the animation.

[amygdalae]

Originally posted by Maya Ayanami
I havent seen Cathedral or that das rad shorts. the only one I have seen is the chubs chubs one. and that was quite a while ago. I agree with some of you. I think that this wasnt that very big of an accomplishment for a big studio with a large team. and dont know much about the makeing of it but it wasnt too bad.

Look at the credits man. It was not a 'Large Team'
The biggest mistake people make when referring to the work of big shops like ILM & SPI is that they have limitless resources and funnel hundreds of people into a project. It's simply not true. Look at the number of people credited in chubbchubbs - it isnt that many people, and alot of those people only worked on it part of the time, while only a few were full time to the project.

The average size of a crew for a really big show at either ILM or SPI is still only about 100-200 people at peak times. Shorts like chubbchubbs usually involve 10-30 people at various times.

Paul, if you think you could do so much better, I invite you to create a short film that wins an oscar, or is even recognized by any of us as not being total crap. The story is SUPPOSED TO BE cliched, it's just a dumb little short - a quick idea. It's not supposed to be Gone With the WInd or Doctor Zhivago.

[Lunatique]

Originally posted by xzevlin
I have seen a few shorts on this site and other places around the web that should've been at the Oscars last night (Passing Moments for one

Passing Moments DID win an Oscar--for the student category.

[fester]

Am I missing something? I went to Movielink.com and did a search and could not find The Chubb Chubbs. Have they taken it down or something?

[headengine]

As someone has already mentioned, it's on the MIB2 DVD..... for those of us in Europe, we can't access Movielink...

I would suggest - if you really need it - using a P2P (*ahem*Kazaa*ahem*) and see if it's up there somewhere... until you can buy it.

:D

For what it's worth, I think it's fantastic: many congrats to the whole SPI team on a great short and on the Oscar!

[Lunatique]

I finally got to see Chubb Chubbs, and I have to say, I would've voted for it too(out of the three CG shorts).

See, The Academy uses 3 criterias to judge entries:

1)Technical achievement
2)Entertaining
3)Originality

Mike's New Car was like a scene from Monster's Inc. that was cut out. While nicely done, it really shouldn't have been a contender for Best Animated Short Film category. It seems more suited for Monster's Inc. DVD's Bonus Material.

1)It's technically excellent

2)It didn't entertain me much since it just felt like rehashed humor from Monster's Inc.

3)Originality suffers too because it's well-known characters from a feature film.

That's 1 out of 3 points.


The Cathedral was the underdog, and everyone wanted it to win, but it just wasn't up to par technically. The animation was stiff, and some of the looooong held shots were absolutely unnecessary. Like many said, it was an eye-candy piece that had atmosphere, but not much content. The people that argued for it's "deeper" meanings--if most of the audience(even the intelligent ones)didn't get it, then it failed to deliver the creator's message.

1)Technically it wasn't up to par with the other 2

2)It was kinda static until the very last moment. That kind of pacing COULD work, IF the director understood the language of cinema very well and knew how to manipulate the audience masterfully.

3)The most original out of the three--regardless of being adapted from a book.

That's 1 out of 3 points.


I like The Chubb Chubbs most because:

1)Technically it was excellent.

2)Entertained me more than the other 2 entries. I actually laughed out loud.

3)You can say that it's not the most original, but originally for the sake of innovation doesn't always = quality. An idea doesn't have to be totally original--as long as the execution is excellent, it is still a great piece of work. If originality was the sole factor determined for excellence, then many of our favorite movies, music, books, artwork..etc would be considered worthless.

That's 2 out of 3 points.

That's why it won, IMHO.

[mockingbird]

i gotta vote for DAS RAD, Technicaly it was awesome the building of roads and cities around them as they argued. As for entertainment yes it kept me watching and wanting it to carry on. and orignality i`ve never seen the sujbect like this tackled in this way its unique at least to me.
i think cathedral was lacking compared to the others much like a modeling and lighting demo.

[Oktavian]

Sadly "The Cathedral" didn't win the Oscar :( ...
but Chubbchubbs are well done.

[TLy]

Lunatique : what you forget is that the oscar is supposed to go to the best ANIMATION short, not CG short...
The 2 other nominees were stop motion and traditionnal animation.

Das RAD is stop motion and some CG, it's original and not very conventionnal, good story, the exact opposite of the chubb chubb (no i'm being mean, it's not that bad)...


Das Rad was IMO the best as an animated short.

[Lunatique]

Yeah, I know. I only talked about the CG ones because those are the only ones I've seen. I haven't seen the other two, so I can't talk about them.. I'll try and see if I can find a copy to watch, THEN I'll be able to gab about them too. :D

[Goggle]

Anyone know if there is a full version of this short on the internet to see it ?

Tx.

[SheepFactory]

Where can we see Das Rad?

[beaker]

Here is a list of screenings for all the nominated shorts all over the states:
http://www.oscarshorts.com

It's showing here in LA till the 3rd of April.

[Goggle]

Unfortunatly all short have a web site but no one have a full video of their work.

I imagine that's a problem of exclusivity or something like that...

:thumbsdow

[SheepFactory]

Hey Beaker where do they show the shorts in LA? , i'll be driving down to LA next tuesday and would love to see them.

PS: Did you get the PM i sent you?

[beaker]

Woops, wrong link, that just shows the shorts. The list of screenings around the states are here:
http://www.apollocinema.com/oscars/showtimes.asp

Sheep Factory:
It is showing at a theater near Beverly Hills called the Fairfax 3:
http://www.laemmle.com/theatres/fairfax.html

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