Sharky
03-21-2003, 01:59 PM
I try to make a "realistic" head of a woman. The photo ref is from fineart.sk. See the pic on my next post with the ref pic used, thanks
Crits please !
Crits please !
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gnarlycranium
03-21-2003, 02:24 PM
.......It's Angelina Jolie, isn't it..... :hmm: *deep breath* okay, dude, thing to keep in mind-- the profile picture isn't a true profile, it's not good to use.
Apart from that-- looks like you're off to a good start, now show us some other angles! :cool:
Apart from that-- looks like you're off to a good start, now show us some other angles! :cool:
Sharky
03-21-2003, 02:28 PM
I used this model .... (I have just seen there is a problem with the noze, too thin and the bottom seems not to be smoothed correctly)
http://www.fineart.sk/femaleface.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_left_front.jpg
so is it a little bit similar ? :shrug:
http://www.fineart.sk/femaleface.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_left_front.jpg
so is it a little bit similar ? :shrug:
paintbox
03-21-2003, 02:35 PM
Hmmm, the lower part is OK, but the nose isn't wide enough, especially the upper bridge part. The eyes are also too close together. (generally it is said to have at least space for one eye in between the eyes)
The brow and forehead looks to round. The side profile looks better than the front. So generally I would say take a new look at the eye/brow section.
Keep it going ! :) I am working on a high-poly head, and is tough I can say....
The brow and forehead looks to round. The side profile looks better than the front. So generally I would say take a new look at the eye/brow section.
Keep it going ! :) I am working on a high-poly head, and is tough I can say....
gnarlycranium
03-21-2003, 02:38 PM
Ooh wow okay! Heh-- but what I said still stands... notice you can see the dark spot of her other eyebrow on the edge of that part of her face? Don't match up your profile to that lump, bring it back just a little so that it's lined up with where the spot between her brows would REALLY be. That'll keep the brow from looking lumpy and funky.
The upper lip looks pretty good, and in particular you've done quite a good job on the end of the nose, that whole section with the wings of it and the ball at the tip and everything looks great!
The area NEXT to the nose, though, is giving you some problems-- I think the weird lighting there is throwing you off. The cheek should slope up smoothly to the bridge of the nose, rather than having a kind of trench or shelf next to the inside part of the cheekbone.
Also, the outer part of her brow area is sunken in-- notice in the reference pictures there's a nice smooth overhang there to give her eye socket a nice structure, but on yours that lump above the outer corner of the eye is almost nonexistent. Tug that part out to the side a little and you'll have it.
The corners of the mouth need some work, but those are ALWAYS a pain in the rear end.
Now show us some other views, and a wire! :D
*edit* oh and make the eyeballs smaller-- the whole diameter of the eyeball should only be just a little wider than the eye itself, eyelids curve a lot more than you think they do, and tear ducts also end up being fairly deep.
The upper lip looks pretty good, and in particular you've done quite a good job on the end of the nose, that whole section with the wings of it and the ball at the tip and everything looks great!
The area NEXT to the nose, though, is giving you some problems-- I think the weird lighting there is throwing you off. The cheek should slope up smoothly to the bridge of the nose, rather than having a kind of trench or shelf next to the inside part of the cheekbone.
Also, the outer part of her brow area is sunken in-- notice in the reference pictures there's a nice smooth overhang there to give her eye socket a nice structure, but on yours that lump above the outer corner of the eye is almost nonexistent. Tug that part out to the side a little and you'll have it.
The corners of the mouth need some work, but those are ALWAYS a pain in the rear end.
Now show us some other views, and a wire! :D
*edit* oh and make the eyeballs smaller-- the whole diameter of the eyeball should only be just a little wider than the eye itself, eyelids curve a lot more than you think they do, and tear ducts also end up being fairly deep.
Sharky
03-21-2003, 06:34 PM
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_left_front2.jpg
and some modifications later ...
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_left_front3.jpg
and some modifications later ...
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_left_front3.jpg
Sharky
03-24-2003, 10:21 AM
... not really a good quality picture ! Sorry !
luigi
03-24-2003, 10:58 AM
hi sharky
good work in progress
a few thinks:
first the corners of your mouth finish in a very litle point
if you open your mouth and see you in a mirror you will see
that the are a lot of surface inside the corners dont make the mouth finish in a litle corner.
the lips are more little in x direction.
My english is very poor i hope you understand what I say.
the eyes are very near is normal to have one virtual eye in middle on the two eyes.
and the nose is more wide
see your picture refernce and study it a lot of time and you will see the diferences.
good work in progress
a few thinks:
first the corners of your mouth finish in a very litle point
if you open your mouth and see you in a mirror you will see
that the are a lot of surface inside the corners dont make the mouth finish in a litle corner.
the lips are more little in x direction.
My english is very poor i hope you understand what I say.
the eyes are very near is normal to have one virtual eye in middle on the two eyes.
and the nose is more wide
see your picture refernce and study it a lot of time and you will see the diferences.
Sharky
03-24-2003, 11:31 AM
I will do what you said, I know the lips have some problems, ... I will work on it
If you want you can talk spanish, I didn't speak Spanish since some years but I must remeber some "pequnas cosas !".
Hasta luego
If you want you can talk spanish, I didn't speak Spanish since some years but I must remeber some "pequnas cosas !".
Hasta luego
Sharky
03-25-2003, 09:36 AM
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete16.jpg
Angelus26
03-25-2003, 09:50 AM
Sharky, it looks kinda like a guy at the moment! I'd soften up that jaw line a little despite the reference images. The gap between the mouth and the nose should be smaller as well, maybe move the jaw up then as well.
Pretty close otherwise to the picture, but I guess the devil is in the details.
Pretty close otherwise to the picture, but I guess the devil is in the details.
Sharky
03-25-2003, 05:27 PM
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete18.jpg
digtlpete
03-25-2003, 05:45 PM
hey sharky, Im going through the same process of modeling a female head. Im not sure but I think if you soften the eye brow bone a little it will make her look a little more female. I also agree w/ Angelus26 that you need to do something w/ her jaw. I think that you have done a great job w/ everything else. I think the ears are great ( i have had a hell of a time with the ears).
Sharky
03-25-2003, 08:57 PM
...
Click there to see a little movie with the woman head ... (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete.avi)
Click there to see a little movie with the woman head ... (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete.avi)
Sharky
03-26-2003, 01:31 PM
Crits ? ... Don't hesitate to draw on the picture to show me what is going wrong.
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_cp.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete_cp.jpg
luigi
03-26-2003, 03:31 PM
ok hear you have to images
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/CAMBIOS.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/CAMBIOS2.jpg
if you see the comparision you first have tpo rtesolve the proportions problem
later when you have it resolved redone the eyes mouth and a little the nose area.
vamos que debes de hacer primero que las zonas sten en sus sitio y cuando consigas eso
centrate en la zona de los ojos en aprtucular luego en la boca y por ultimo enla nariz
compara tu imagen con las referencias y veras que la nariz esta mas alta , la car es demasiado ancha y ....
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/CAMBIOS.jpg
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/CAMBIOS2.jpg
if you see the comparision you first have tpo rtesolve the proportions problem
later when you have it resolved redone the eyes mouth and a little the nose area.
vamos que debes de hacer primero que las zonas sten en sus sitio y cuando consigas eso
centrate en la zona de los ojos en aprtucular luego en la boca y por ultimo enla nariz
compara tu imagen con las referencias y veras que la nariz esta mas alta , la car es demasiado ancha y ....
Sharky
03-26-2003, 04:10 PM
... Yo voy a usar tus imagenes ... No tengo la manera de trabajar como tu ... no he pensado a eso ... soy un poco tonto ! Gracias ...
gnarlycranium
03-27-2003, 04:58 AM
Looking better all the time, Sharky!
A little more familiarity with facial structures might help-- you've got the brow looking pretty good, but the lump goes too far back. In the upper left on this pic, I've put a squiggle about where the dent of the temple ought to go.
Also, there are bands of muscle attached to the lower lip, coming up diagonally from the sides of the chin, that you've not included here-- the circle I've put on her mouth indicates the spot where the flesh just under her lip could probably use a little more substance to it.
Hope that helps!
A little more familiarity with facial structures might help-- you've got the brow looking pretty good, but the lump goes too far back. In the upper left on this pic, I've put a squiggle about where the dent of the temple ought to go.
Also, there are bands of muscle attached to the lower lip, coming up diagonally from the sides of the chin, that you've not included here-- the circle I've put on her mouth indicates the spot where the flesh just under her lip could probably use a little more substance to it.
Hope that helps!
Sharky
03-27-2003, 08:47 AM
I will see if I can modify what you've posted ... I am very grateful you draw on my picture, it's the best way for me to see what's wrong with it ...
Luigi : I've taken my model and my ref picture ... I have drawn over it and it seems that my proportions are better that you seem to tell, just a little problem about the head width and the eye (left view). I put my comparison in this linkmodel vs ref picture (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete19 copie.jpg)
and here the model modified to go in the same way as the ref pic (eyes and width of the head) ... not the modifications Gnarly told (but coming soon !)
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete20.jpg
Luigi : I've taken my model and my ref picture ... I have drawn over it and it seems that my proportions are better that you seem to tell, just a little problem about the head width and the eye (left view). I put my comparison in this linkmodel vs ref picture (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete19 copie.jpg)
and here the model modified to go in the same way as the ref pic (eyes and width of the head) ... not the modifications Gnarly told (but coming soon !)
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete20.jpg
AJE
03-27-2003, 09:32 AM
I find it helps to model a basic representation of the hair while you're working on the face... it'll help frame the face, and may help you fine tune some things.
Afterwards, I go back and do a final replacement for the hair.
Afterwards, I go back and do a final replacement for the hair.
Sharky
03-27-2003, 02:56 PM
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/front4.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/left4.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete21.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/wire4.gif
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/left4.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete21.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/wire4.gif
Sharky
03-27-2003, 08:49 PM
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/front5.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/left5.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete22.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/left5.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete22.jpg
luigi
03-27-2003, 10:04 PM
ok here we go again
first you are progressing quickly you have a good proportions only problems in left view .
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/left.jpg http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/front.jpg
now you have to focuse on a the particular zone
first you are making a wrong think the sphere of the eye need to be bigger or the pupil is to little .both are wrong
in the image i have put of the eye you can see the sphere is more bigger and we only see a littel proportion of the sphere.
only when you have very opened eyes you can see the complete sphere of the iris, this make a strange visual effect you have middlle a relaxed eyes with a little iris that make looks the eye wrong
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/EYENU.JPG
with the nose see very attented the image have alot of diferences with your nose
and the lips arent the lips of a woman they need be more bigger(anchos y menos planos deben ser mas abultados y menos rectos miralos son mucho mas curvos)
first you are progressing quickly you have a good proportions only problems in left view .
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/left.jpg http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/front.jpg
now you have to focuse on a the particular zone
first you are making a wrong think the sphere of the eye need to be bigger or the pupil is to little .both are wrong
in the image i have put of the eye you can see the sphere is more bigger and we only see a littel proportion of the sphere.
only when you have very opened eyes you can see the complete sphere of the iris, this make a strange visual effect you have middlle a relaxed eyes with a little iris that make looks the eye wrong
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/EYENU.JPG
with the nose see very attented the image have alot of diferences with your nose
and the lips arent the lips of a woman they need be more bigger(anchos y menos planos deben ser mas abultados y menos rectos miralos son mucho mas curvos)
luigi
03-27-2003, 10:34 PM
i was studing the left image and something was wrong to me
i find it hte eyes and the front of the head wear in a strange place.
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/left2.jpg
is anormal tecnique when you are drawing that with lines you compare the position of the one part with another in this case y compare the position of lips with the position of the brows and you find the problem ;)
i find it hte eyes and the front of the head wear in a strange place.
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/left2.jpg
is anormal tecnique when you are drawing that with lines you compare the position of the one part with another in this case y compare the position of lips with the position of the brows and you find the problem ;)
Sharky
03-30-2003, 10:00 AM
I'm modifying what you have pointed out luigi ... but I'd like to do the teeth and the tongue, ... I can't find some models to make them (or tuts ...) ... Is someone have some to post in this thread ?
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
luigi
03-30-2003, 04:03 PM
I am sure that the head is goinng tobe great at the end
for the models i recomend you to download the freemolde of 3dfestival 3dfestival (http://www.3dfestival.com/story.php?story_id=824)
or in 3dtotal
3dtotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) in free stuff models
seeing this modela you can undertsnd better nodels , study who they have done ther meshhes or use and modify parts of the meshes.
for be the best tutorial is study a mesh and think whohi has done it ;)
for the models i recomend you to download the freemolde of 3dfestival 3dfestival (http://www.3dfestival.com/story.php?story_id=824)
or in 3dtotal
3dtotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) in free stuff models
seeing this modela you can undertsnd better nodels , study who they have done ther meshhes or use and modify parts of the meshes.
for be the best tutorial is study a mesh and think whohi has done it ;)
Sharky
03-30-2003, 08:02 PM
Ola Luigi ... Qué tal ?
Muchas gracias para los "links" de los "meshes". Yo voy a verlos pero lo he hecho sin "tutorial", solo "reference pictures" buscados sobre internet ...
So I speak english now ... it seems I have got more vocabulary in english than in spanish (pero yo prefiero hablar espanol, es muy cantando esa idioma !)
Just an update with the eyelashes, eyebrows, teeth and map (bump, diffuse, specular)...
I have modified the noze and nearly all that Luigi said me ...
Just waiting for your crits !
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete28.jpg Little movie : 360° (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete2.avi)
Muchas gracias para los "links" de los "meshes". Yo voy a verlos pero lo he hecho sin "tutorial", solo "reference pictures" buscados sobre internet ...
So I speak english now ... it seems I have got more vocabulary in english than in spanish (pero yo prefiero hablar espanol, es muy cantando esa idioma !)
Just an update with the eyelashes, eyebrows, teeth and map (bump, diffuse, specular)...
I have modified the noze and nearly all that Luigi said me ...
Just waiting for your crits !
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete28.jpg Little movie : 360° (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete2.avi)
Gremlin
03-30-2003, 08:37 PM
the head sheap looks kinda lumpy and round, but your modeling is superb. All you need now is excelent textures! Keep it up!
Cheers,
:beer:
Cheers,
:beer:
Sharky
03-31-2003, 11:57 AM
movie ... nearly 180 around the head :)
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete31.jpg
(http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete3.avi)
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete31.jpg
(http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete3.avi)
luigi
03-31-2003, 12:44 PM
:beer:
:applause:
yeah now teh model is very god
make the hair and concentrate un textures
:buttrock: :buttrock:
solo haria una pruena manteniendo las dimensiones prueba ha escalar en x un poco los labios solo un poco ,un pequeño detalle y quedara muy bien.
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/labios.jpg
:applause:
yeah now teh model is very god
make the hair and concentrate un textures
:buttrock: :buttrock:
solo haria una pruena manteniendo las dimensiones prueba ha escalar en x un poco los labios solo un poco ,un pequeño detalle y quedara muy bien.
http://perso.wanadoo.es/calizp/labios.jpg
Sharky
04-01-2003, 07:35 AM
...
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete34bis.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete34bis.jpg
Sharky
04-02-2003, 06:52 AM
map update
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete35.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete35.jpg
luigi
04-02-2003, 11:33 AM
:beer:
:applause: :applause:
now work with the skin the texture in the lips and ....
what you are going to do make hair with mesh , with shaghair or make a hat or ......?
the progress is going very good.
Hazle lunares, pecas, cambios de color , juega con capas en photoshop , haz pruebas y pruebas y llevaras la cara a un gran nivel ;).
:applause: :applause:
now work with the skin the texture in the lips and ....
what you are going to do make hair with mesh , with shaghair or make a hat or ......?
the progress is going very good.
Hazle lunares, pecas, cambios de color , juega con capas en photoshop , haz pruebas y pruebas y llevaras la cara a un gran nivel ;).
Sharky
04-02-2003, 02:28 PM
lunares ! Pfffffffffffooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuu ... muy dificil no ?
I don't use Photoshop so much, so, is there someone who know a good tutorial to make a skin material ?
... I've just done that at lunch !
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete36.jpg
not really an update just the mouth and the "hair".
I will model the hair, without any plugin ... see you tomorrow for the first test
I don't use Photoshop so much, so, is there someone who know a good tutorial to make a skin material ?
... I've just done that at lunch !
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete36.jpg
not really an update just the mouth and the "hair".
I will model the hair, without any plugin ... see you tomorrow for the first test
Sharky
04-02-2003, 06:12 PM
which one do you prefer ... last one or this one ?
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete37.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete37.jpg
Sharky
04-03-2003, 09:29 AM
update of the map ...
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete39.jpg
http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/tete39.jpg
luigi
04-03-2003, 09:48 AM
:cool:
well hear you have a great tutorials in your language
http://mr2k.3dvf.com
i dont now if you ise max but if you dont it dont worry the mportant are the concepts.
in tutorials see this two sections ;)
les yeux
Texture de peau avec les textures procédurales
I use this for arrive to a good variation for the skin when im happy with the skin i use tbaker or render in texture in max for have the base to the texture and later use photoshop for make the lips and eyes ....
later have well done the diffuse map play with bump and specular.
A sugestion play with the lips and make it wet , and paint it with a extravagant colour.
well hear you have a great tutorials in your language
http://mr2k.3dvf.com
i dont now if you ise max but if you dont it dont worry the mportant are the concepts.
in tutorials see this two sections ;)
les yeux
Texture de peau avec les textures procédurales
I use this for arrive to a good variation for the skin when im happy with the skin i use tbaker or render in texture in max for have the base to the texture and later use photoshop for make the lips and eyes ....
later have well done the diffuse map play with bump and specular.
A sugestion play with the lips and make it wet , and paint it with a extravagant colour.
Sharky
04-03-2003, 09:58 AM
I used this tutorial for the eyes but I don't want to use procedural materials, just want to do it by myself, painting spots on the texture, and so on ... I want to learn !
thanks for answering my posts Luigi (by the way you're the only one, is there someone else who want to give his crits ? ? ?).
I won't change the color of her lips, but I can try to make them wetter ... I'll see that this evening
thanks for answering my posts Luigi (by the way you're the only one, is there someone else who want to give his crits ? ? ?).
I won't change the color of her lips, but I can try to make them wetter ... I'll see that this evening
lmc
04-03-2003, 01:56 PM
good...is a nice thread to follow
:wip:
:wip:
Sharky
04-15-2003, 04:36 PM
morpher on the face : click here (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip.avi)
Sharky
04-16-2003, 03:26 PM
Just a test of my morphers (I have forgotten to put the "b" phonem to 0 at the beginning so that's why you can see the lip moving on the corners ... it will be fixed next post).
Click here to see the movie (DivX 200Ko) (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip3.avi)
Click here to see the movie (DivX 200Ko) (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip3.avi)
Sharky
04-17-2003, 07:37 AM
new update of the movie ...
click here to see it ... (DivX 300Ko) (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip5.avi)
click here to see it ... (DivX 300Ko) (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip5.avi)
Sharky
04-22-2003, 03:35 PM
update !!!
click there to see the new anim (final ?) (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip6.avi)
click there to see the new anim (final ?) (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip6.avi)
Lukashi
04-22-2003, 03:44 PM
Hey sharky, it looks great, i would work on either the lighting or textures a bit more thought, but the animation part is really good
Sharky
04-29-2003, 07:37 PM
last animation, I have modified the morph target to have a wider openning of the mouth, ... but the framerate seems to be low and the sound is too quick (just try to upload the .avi before reading it)
Click here to see the new DivX movie (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip8.avi)
Click here to see the new DivX movie (http://sharky.skreel.org/anims/lip8.avi)
eddy-3ddy
04-29-2003, 08:12 PM
wow, nice process!!
by the letter "- B - in" may the mouth fully be closed. also by the O (c-o-nnection) the mouth rounder
i;m not a expert on this stuff, but this was what I thought
by the letter "- B - in" may the mouth fully be closed. also by the O (c-o-nnection) the mouth rounder
i;m not a expert on this stuff, but this was what I thought
Sharky
04-30-2003, 09:24 PM
I stop there for the animation : click there to see the last one ! (http://sharky.skreel.org/lip9.avi)
test with hair (with the Scatter option) http://sharky.skreel.org/cheveux.jpg
the ref pic (for those who have forgotten it :) ) http://www.fineart.sk/femaleface.jpg
test with hair (with the Scatter option) http://sharky.skreel.org/cheveux.jpg
the ref pic (for those who have forgotten it :) ) http://www.fineart.sk/femaleface.jpg
phoenix2k
04-30-2003, 09:35 PM
wow, this has really progressed... nice work :)...
mwkmn
05-01-2003, 03:36 AM
Whoa, cool :)
Started off as a man, slowly becoming a woman :)
Juuuust joking ;)
Good works :buttrock:
Started off as a man, slowly becoming a woman :)
Juuuust joking ;)
Good works :buttrock:
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