Why does using Pencil make layers switch to "Gel" ?

[Improv]

I like to sketch in painter with a slightly modified Pencil brush and always when you click up a new layer and starts painting, the first time you touch the canvas with the Pencil it changes the later type from Default to Gel. Ive used painter for about 2 years now but Ive never bothered to look into to it until now. It's frustrating to have to change the layer back to "default" everytime I add a new layer.


Im using Painter X, but it did this with IX aswell.

Wish I could help, but my Painter IX and X don't change to gel-just default like they should.

Good Luck.

[workbench]

That happens because the brushes are set to "Buildup" it you change to cover they no longer self-multiply but at least the layers won't change to gel.

[Jinbrown]

Wish I could help, but my Painter IX and X don't change to gel-just default like they should.

Good Luck.

Improv,

Check again with all of your brush variants restored to their default state.

All Pencils' variants in the Painter IX (IX 9.1 and IX.5) and Painter X default Painter Brushes library (and some Pencils' variants in earlier versions), in their default state, change a new Layer from Composite Method Default to Composite Method Gel the moment the user begins drawing or painting on that Layer, with the exception of:


Cover Pencil (uses Method: Cover)
Grainy Cover Pencil (all three sizes - use Method: Cover)
Greasy Pencil (all three sizes - uses Method: Drip and won't work on a new Layer anyway since they require existing color)
Oily Variable Pencil (uses Method: Cover)
This is what brush variants that use Method: Buildup, Method: Wet, and Method: Digital Wet are intended to do.

If a Layer set to Composite Method Default already has brush strokes or other color on it (not a new Layer), it won't be changed to Composite Method Gel when one of the Pencils' variants that uses Method: Buildup is used on that Layer.

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[Stinkfist]

Do you know what the thought behind this is? I use Gel to overlay colour amongst other things but brushes like Pencil doesnt look like theyre supposed to, so it makes little sense to me.

[Improv]

Hi Jinny,

You know, sometimes I swear I visit a parallel universe from time to time where everything is backwards. :-)

I thought I was using the defaults, and I swear that the new layers never changed to gel. I also tried several pencils. Thus my previous post.

Today when I tried it, my results match yours.
Arrrgghh-somedays I really do feel like Basil Faulty!

Ah well! lol!!!

[Jinbrown]

Kaftan,

I don't know, unless it's to make an oily/greasy pencil look as it should (if it should). As we know, most ordinary pencils aren't oily/greasy, though colored pencils might be. In the Painter X default Painter Brushes library, only some of the Colored Pencils' variants use Method: Buildup. The rest use Method: Cover. Crayons seem to be in the oily/greasy realm and they, too, use Method: Buildup.

The best person to ask would be John Derry (pixlart) when he shows up sometime in this forum. He was one of the original authors of Painter and he worked on creating brush variants so he knows a whole lot more than most of us do about the reasoning behind how they're set up.

Improv,

No one's perfect, including me. http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon11.gif

Remember? You straightened me out the other day about a misconception I had as to where Painter can be installed.

We'd never make it without help from other Painter users. There's way too much to remember!

[Improv]

Improv,

No one's perfect, including me. http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon11.gif

I'm officially allowed one day a year when I'm not perfect. However it often stretches out to 364 days in the year! :-(

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We'd never make it without help from other Painter users. There's way too much to remember!

Ain't that the truth! :-)

If I ever win the Lotto, I am going to hire:

1) Someone to pull weeds in the garden.

2) A personal Painter research assistant to find solutions to Painter problems! .

Both will be very well paid and much appreciated. Who needs a personal shopper? ;-)

[Jinbrown]

:D

Why pay anyone when you've got me for free (imperfect as I am)?

(At least for now, you've got me for free.)


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[Improv]

:D

Why pay anyone when you've got me for free (imperfect as I am)?

(At least for now, you've got me for free.)
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Free is good too! :thumbsup:
(More like priceless, actually! ;-) )

[Jinbrown]

Improv,

You've given me a great line to use when I start selling tutorials again:

Priceless but not Free!


Whoopie!

:D

[Improv]

Improv,

You've given me a great line to use when I start selling tutorials again:

Priceless but not Free!


Whoopie!

:D

:-)

Ok, but I get a .00005 cents for every book sold! lol!!!

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