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Layer01
06-26-2007, 10:22 AM
Peter Soderbaum is entered in the "Strange Behavior Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/strange_behavior/view_entries.php?challenger=12797)

Latest Update: Line Art or Model: clean lines
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Layer01
07-18-2007, 01:47 AM
Hohoho..getting off to a late start :p
Hope to catch up fairly quickly now though :)

Here is one of my early concept sketches.
The idea is quite simple really, and a bit greusome.
I want to make a protrait style painting of a person with a concerned look on their face looking out of the frame to something the viewer can't see. Down in the corner he will be chopping off one of his fingers... :surprised
The idea is to make it very "normal" as if he was just fidelling with something, and get the viewer wondering what has got his attention "off screen"

I hope that makes some sense lol.
In this sketch i'm also playing around with odd proportions and faux perspective..trying to get an unsettleing feeling.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y244/Layer01/Conceptsketch01small.jpg

Oh and also, is there some official way of uploading pictures to our thread? Because i see others get an icon and also their latest img automatically entered in the first post..
EDIT:
I found the area where we submit our milestones, but I just want to double check if i enter this img as a concept sketch i can enter another one using the same process later right? its not limited to one img per milestone is it?

Layer01
07-18-2007, 11:45 PM
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worked out how how to properly submit images :P
more updates to come soon.

Ordibble-Plop
07-19-2007, 02:36 AM
Hehe, I was also going for a picture of some auto-amputation.

I like your sketch, but wonder how you are going to make it look like this is deliberate behaviour rather than, say, a gardening accident?

I think the man's expression will be key (deliberate not distracted?) but you could also maybe use other visual cues, like already healed finger stumps of various lengths? Also perhaps have him using the secateurs in an obviously not garden-like environment.

Layer01
07-19-2007, 03:34 AM
Hehe, I was also going for a picture of some auto-amputation.

I like your sketch, but wonder how you are going to make it look like this is deliberate behaviour rather than, say, a gardening accident?

I think the man's expression will be key (deliberate not distracted?) but you could also maybe use other visual cues, like already healed finger stumps of various lengths? Also perhaps have him using the secateurs in an obviously not garden-like environment.

Cheers :D

Thanks for the crits, some very good points to consider. You're right about the expression being key, i'll be posting a few more sketches soon, with your crits taken into consideration :)

Gord-MacDonald
07-19-2007, 11:20 AM
good drawing - gruesome concept :scream:

Gord

sgw
07-19-2007, 05:44 PM
ACK! Picture makes me nervous just looking at it! Heh good job!

Jeffparadox
07-19-2007, 09:10 PM
Disturrbinggg.... Good!
Love your sketch, good luck with the challenge, catch'em up!!!

p.s. you may submit as many as you'd like to for any milestone.
Except for the final I think...

Jeffparadox
07-19-2007, 09:12 PM
myabe half of that finger should already been cut, without showing much blood?

Layer01
07-31-2007, 08:42 AM
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Well a little more time has flowed between now and my last post, life just got in the way :/
However I'm back and ready to go!

This is my new concept. Its going to be called, something like "Getting those hard to reach places"..
The idea is a guy brushing his teeth, and trying to get to those...you guessed it..hard to reach places. Thing is, he solves this problem by ripping off his jaw and brushing away O_o

This is just a rough 20 min sketch to get the idea on paper, i already see some things i was to change, but your feedback will be most welcome :D
I want to have the white froth of the toothpast juxtapozed with the thick red blood, the relaxed bed hair/PJ's look against the severity of the action..
What do you think?

Better sketch, coming tomorrow :)
lets get this thing rolling!

handlebar
07-31-2007, 09:37 AM
Really powerful, and disturbing concepts. Out of the two, i much prefer the first one, it has much more staying power with it's subtlety over the horror fest of the second. I also like very much the distorted perspective you used.

steve 8)

Layer01
07-31-2007, 11:54 AM
thanks for your feedback handlebar :)
Do you think the second one is missing some of the "bizarre" that the first has in its strange perspective?
I have a few more variations on the first, that are more "subtle" and less overtly in your face, i'll put them up tomorrow along with the reworked second one.
I'll take your advice and see if i can't include some of the essence of the first into the second.
But i'll also run a few alternate versions by you as well :)

W-I-L
07-31-2007, 12:06 PM
mate.. they are indeed grusome... loving both off them.. cant decide which one... probably the first a bit more... the subtleness of it is powerful

handlebar
07-31-2007, 12:32 PM
To answer your question, i think the first one has more shock value because at first glance it's not overly obvious what's going on, its not untill you study the image a bit closer that the real strange behaviour manifests itself. Think of all the best horror films, the fear is in what you don't see, glimpses and sugestions that something grusome is about to happen. Also most people tend to look at faces first in a comp and the way you distorted the perspective leads the eyes from the face down to the hand where the grusome deed is about to take place. You've also set the scene where the act hasn't taken place yet, and left it to the viewer to decide the outcome, will he, won't he and why? You won't get these questions asked in the second image as it's direct and 'in your face' which in my opinion makes it a weaker concept.
It's just my thoughts, hope it helps.


Steve 8)

Frotze
07-31-2007, 02:39 PM
Hey, Layer01, pretty neat drawings you got there! I think I prefer the first one over the second for now, but it's a hard choice. Can't wait to see all those variations you're talking about.

Anatomista
07-31-2007, 03:16 PM
The second idea is really great! I would choose that.

SteevieWoo
07-31-2007, 07:34 PM
I had to post since i would love to see the jaw one done!!

Yes is more in your face, but I'd say:if you are going for gruesome, well, go with it all the way! It kinda reminds me of Poltergheist too, and that is' good I think!!

Gory good luck!!:twisted:

Layer01
08-01-2007, 01:49 PM
http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/19/12797/12797_1185976188_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/19/12797/12797_1185976188_large.jpg)

Just a quick upload to fill in the gap between bigger posts.
These are some quick thumbnails of the second idea. I'm toying with the idea of having bits of the character coming out of the frame. You can probably tell which ones are working better, but please feel free to point out any you like more or less.
Also getting a feel for how big i want the parts to be in the screen. This is pretty rough, but i'm just trying to get things clearer in my own head.
Hopefully better stuff is on its way ;)

SteevieWoo
08-05-2007, 06:28 AM
Mmmmh, I think I'd go for the last one, you know, more perspective would match the subject well.
Keep it comming!:thumbsup:

Layer01
08-07-2007, 08:40 AM
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OK...after another slight delay (i wish i could say important things got in the way, but nope, it was just a new xbox 360 lol)
here is the initial line drawing sketch.

I 'm sorry the scan is such a crappy quality it because this was drawn in blue pencil so that it wouldn't show up on the inked picture, as such i had to play with levels etc a lot to get itto show :P

A bit more work needs to be done on it. The tooth brush needs to be added in properly, and the hand holding it should be a bit bigger i think. I might also revisit the face.
Oh and i think maybe less of his teeth should be showing (not on the jaw but the face)..hmm what do you guys think?

Layer01
08-07-2007, 10:14 AM
http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/19/12797/12797_1186481668_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/19/12797/12797_1186481668_large.jpg)

not much difference, but touched it up..probably i'm the only one who can see the difference...
but i fixed up the hand, teeth and some of the gore "anatomy"

thoughts?

PS: shitty scan, due to it being still drawn in blue, makes it really hard to scan :P

SteevieWoo
08-09-2007, 04:00 AM
Goin' Well, the finger over the thootbrush looks a bit rubbery to me, you could show some wrinkles at the articulation of the last phalange, I don't know.

Keep the gore coming!:D

Layer01
08-09-2007, 05:55 AM
Goin' Well, the finger over the thootbrush looks a bit rubbery to me, you could show some wrinkles at the articulation of the last phalange, I don't know.

Keep the gore coming!:D


Thanks :)
your right about the finger over the toothbrush looking a bit odd. I'll see what i can do to fix it up. A lot of details and all the shadows etc will come in once the painting starts, so hopefully that will help make things look more natural ;)

Ok..now to fix up the finger..i hope :p

Ferx
08-09-2007, 06:09 AM
Hey Peter, that its a really strange behavior and a strange concept, but i liked, i liked :thumbsup: . Im thinking that the image can be a reflect on a mirror... only a comment. Nice work!! Good luck and following your progress ! :)

Layer01
08-09-2007, 09:08 AM
http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/19/12797/12797_1186650535_medium.jpg (http://assets.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/19/12797/12797_1186650535_large.jpg)

I've gone over the top of the blue with pencil, which makes it a bit easier to scan at least, so now its basically up to the painting stage *eeek* O_O

I'm thinking (hoping) a lot of little things (like the finger?) will become more fleshed out and generaly better once the colour and paint is layed down. I'm going to paint right over the top of this image so the lines you see wont actually be visible...hmm..unless it looks really good with them in lol :P

But basically I'm now going to block in the shadows in B/W while working out a colour scheme and then add the colour...see to work for others heh so lets hope it works here too :)

more soon!

Layer01
08-09-2007, 09:12 AM
Hey Peter, that its a really strange behavior and a strange concept, but i liked, i liked :thumbsup: . Im thinking that the image can be a reflect on a mirror... only a comment. Nice work!! Good luck and following your progress ! :)

Thanks Ferx :D

You know that was actually one of my early ideas on how to compose the picture :) I'm going to play it by ear as the colour is added and see what feels best.

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