WIP Sailing Home

[Suirebit]

Nice concept; I think the ship is out of scale, at least the sails - compared to the buildings; maybe resize it down a bit and move it a litle bit to the right? also, try more variation in the shapes of the mountains - they all look alike.

[Rockhoppermedia]

Ok you are not the only one to mention scale so i wil have a look at it. The perspective is a bit off. Luckily I saved this as a psd. Is it normal to go to bed dreaming of your paintings? I am so enchanted by this image i had to put it to pixel.

Thank you for your help

Rich

[Rockhoppermedia]

I have been so busy this week at work that i have not been able to post any updates for my painting. Will be working on using photos and integrating tham into the image. I am going to have a go at working in lab colour.


wait out for my next post

Rich.

[Rockhoppermedia]

I have been playing with sketch up wow you can put your matte as a background shot and model directly over the top and then save it as a 3ds file. Best thing is a mate lent me his laptop which has CS3 extended on it you can import that model directly into your matte WOW.

Having lots of fun at the moment but i will be soon posting un update.

See ya Rich

[Rockhoppermedia]

http://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/250216/250216_1184366344_large.jpgI am having lots of trouble with this image, I like the textures and background composition. I would like it to be nearly stormy but with the sunlight blooming through midst of the canyon right to left (light at the end of the tunnel metaphor). I am having lots of problems painting the trees, I am after deciduous and cherry blossom trees. I could use photo reference but I do not understand how to strip it out using the alpha channel.

The temple is going to be a blue/green with gold highlights . The junk will be muted complimentary colours a kind of ying and yang effect. I am still struggling through sketch up to build the pagoda it does not do curves. It will be imported into 3 CS when I bump into my mate I do owe him a lot of beers. I am going to attempt a paintover.

I have done a background reflection so I can overpaint it then do another reflection. I have attempted to do a bounce light into the rocks have I done this right. I would like to have something to offer the digtal artiste matte book and this is my effort so I would like lots of help.

Regards

Rich
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[H3ro]

I like the whole layout for the scene, but you say that you want it to be kind of stormy with the sun coming through. One thing I remember from seeing pictures of the atmosphere (I think) you want is that the complimentary colors(is that right? Red, green, blue) are much stronger. I would try a bigger contrast between the colors. Not sure if any of it made sense....

[Rockhoppermedia]

I was painting a japanese junk from memory when i did the sketch. I have started on the junk now but all the reference sites have low res images, I would like to know what details I need I have contacted a sailmaker who sent me schematics which was brilliant. I would like to know if anyone has refs of the planking/rudder/rigging and small detailing which I may get wrong. I would like to know if anyone can help with Japanese calligraphy/characters for prayer flags and for the Junk/sampan.


Thank you

Rich.:)

[Suirebit]

if you're going for a realistic moody sunset, you should play with reds and yellows highlight, green mids and cyan/blue shadows...
And you need some shape variation into those mountains/rocks...I don't know why I forgot to tell you this from the begining...

Extracting trees is not easy, specialy for foregrounds...(I had enough troubles with mine :D)
Ussualy you should duplicate the blue channel cause it has the most contrast and then play with levels until you reach black and white...then select, go back to RBG, copy/paste...don't expect for magic selection tho....you'll still have some junk edges around, from sky...if youre putting in the distance, no problem, but if you plan the tree for foreground...more work :D
Try it...:)

EDIT: I suppose you want something like this right? (quick mockup, if you want I'll remove it after you see it)

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3493/2502161184366403cs5.jpg

[Rockhoppermedia]

This is only a paintover to show dimensions and layout, This is not the final design the buidings are currently being modelled and the junk has been redesigned thanks to the help from matte painting org. Suirebit I am really grateful with the help I am going to go that route. I am really hyped up and I want to put in a beautiful image into Digital Artiste. I just worked out the divine proportion and the centre of the sails is the focal point I might put in a lantern. Right back to work.

Rich

http://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/250216/250216_1184452104_large.jpg

[Rockhoppermedia]

This current work in progress trees/flags/sampans to paint in. then comes lighting and atmospherics. How do I stop the mountains in the rear looking like cardboard cutouts stcratching my head at the moment. Will do final overpaint in painter for details. Learning to suggest detail with paint blobs lots of fun at the moment. It looks washed out that is because i wanted to do a quick lo res so i can carry on.
Please c&c I want this to look dramatic and romantic old master. Thank you
Richhttp://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/250216/250216_1184665314_large.jpg

[Suirebit]

please man, pretty please (:D), vary the shape of the mountains...they are all around the same shape, vertical and thin...

[Rockhoppermedia]

I was watching some tv footage of a area of japan with these weird but massive rock formations. That is what I was going for. I dont want to do flat triangles would you suggest a canyon of some sort?

You can do a quick paintover if you want to explain what you mean. I just want to show immense scale with the junk and village area. I am really stuck now


Rich:eek:

[Suirebit]

I didn't mean triangles, but vary them a little...they all look alike...make one of them smaller, another bigger, make different edges stuff like that...now they al look like reversed U-s

[Rockhoppermedia]

Got ya, OK make them more interesting methinks, Im going to go mad with a sketch book for a couple of hours,


Cheers mate

Rich

PS are you working on anything at the moment?

[Rockhoppermedia]

Hi I am a very happy man as I have just bought a Wacom A5 Wide, I have wanted one for years and now I can freely express myself. My previous tablet was awful pressure settings were on and off. Mind you I think it encouraged me to try harder. Been playing with painter ten and it feels so natural.

Anyhow this is progress so far job list

Colour balance rear mountain
add clouds
sort out awful sky reference
highlights
lantern lights
add dock litter
add relections
add waves
add specular reflection
balance whole picture
add trees
act on comments from my friends please comment
sharpen
bloonming
Check with Jaime Jasso (hope you are free to inspect this before sending of to ballistic publishing?)

Anything else to consider?

Cheers

Rich

[Suirebit]

Congrats! cool tablet :)

It's already looking better mate with those changes in the mountains! keep it up

Add building perspective correction to the list :D

[Rockhoppermedia]

Cheers tiberius,


the computer has boosted my saturation too much on the clip, I am thinking of making it look like a sepia toned postcard from the turn of the century for fun and a normal hi res matte. do you honestly think if i work hard over the next two days I could send it off to DA MP2. I dont wont to kid myself.

I am slowly working through the list and even though I am using my bonsai trick it is proving difficult. PLus my keyboard shortcut for brush size has decided to up and down the layer stack which was amusing at first but is slightly annoying now.

Nice to hear from you it got quite heated on the other thread lets be all friends as we might have to work with each other in the near future.

cheers

Rich

ps the building was imported into sketchup and was measured off correctly, but the fore ground buiilding is starting to annoy me. The rest is fine but that pesky foreground is causing me a headache.

[Suirebit]

I'd say you can pull it off! I did mine in 3 days (dont tell anyone :D); Come on mate, all hands to work, youre gonna make a great piece :)

[Rockhoppermedia]

Work so far, anything i missed, how do i put colour into the sky? I have not used dodge and burn do i need to do that, lots of questions, this has to be done by today so I can get it of to DA MP2

Cheers

Rich

http://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/250216/250216_1184833134_large.jpg

[Suirebit]

use a color balance adjustement layer, turn the mask black and then paint with white over the areas you need (sky); That's why they call it 'matte' :D masks babe, masks is the keyword :D

[Rockhoppermedia]

Cheers going off to play so I will post as i finish amendments,

rich

[Rockhoppermedia]

This is currently where i am at with this image. I have replaced the boat put some colour into the sky and got rid off the green hue. What do I do now?

Richhttp://features-temp.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/250216/250216_1184885140_large.jpg

[Rockhoppermedia]

I am putting a stop to this now, this is now classed as a mistake in progress. After speaking to a working matte painter and after listening to some sage advice I will stop here.

This has highlighted my weak points which I will work on. It has been fun sharing this process with you. I would to think that I am getting better at this. I have a paying job this weekend photographing a alpine climber with full oxygen breathing equipment. Thing is I have had to a basic matte painting to comp him in so it is not all a loss.

Regards and thanks to all the advice and support

Now to hang my head in shame:shrug:

Rich

Prolific poster bad painter

[Suirebit]

well I was afraid to tell you the weak points, not to become a second photosopped case.

Too bad to hear you quited it mate :( It was a nice concept.

I think the problem is that you started with a monochromatic pallete from the begining...without depth and life, and that held on throuought the whole process.

[Rockhoppermedia]

Yea I started of wrong, build the wrong foundations and the house will collapse. I have learnt a lesson here so it has not been a total loss. I have kept it as a concept, prehaps when i feel less depressed i will tackle something again. I had to do a matte for a mountaineer which pulled me out of a sticky situation, no other photographer within 50 miles could have pulled that off that quick. It was the first commercial use of a matte i have ever done and it was the simplest. I have now learnt keep it simple. Dylan Cole has nothing to worry about me yet............but one day LOL


Cheers for the support Suirebit
dont be a stranger

Rich.:sad:

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