Photoshop and Vista:smoothing issue

[nickgod]

Hi, unfortunatelly there is a big Problem with Vista. Photoshop + Vista = Crap.
There is a lot of lag between the brush strokes. (No matter Photoshop 7, CS2, CS3)
I have the same problem as you. And there is a 10 page topic in conceptart.org regarding this issue. Unfortunatelly again there is no fix.
I contacted the guys from Wacom (There is a lot of flood with this issue on their forum), but they said to me that, this is Nvidia Drivers Related Problem. So I contacted the guys from Nvidia but they could`t remake the bug, and told me to turn of Aero Theme...
(It`s off guys... but it doesn`t help). From Adobe is the same. It left only Microsoft, and may be some genious from MS didn`t know that we can maybe paint on Vista... :>

Sry, there is no solution for now... i looked everywhere.

PS. Hardware: 4GB Ram, Core 2 Duo E6420, Nvidia 8800 GTX with latest drivers, Wacom Intuos A4 with latest drivers. turned of all Pen Recognition Options in Vista, Aero off, Visual Settings on "Best Performance" and very annoying lag in Photoshop.

[jimmy-paillet]

thanks for the answer...
due to some craps with nvidia drivers i had to go back to XP..
and i have exactly the same issue than on Vista (except no lag on input...but unsmooth lines)...

i never experienced that previously on XP, but i was with ATI...
since i got my geforce 7900GS i'm having this problem...

[Darkling]

Got the same problem with CS3 and Vista.

Running a Q6600, 3Gigs RAM, Logitech Mouse, Wacom Tablet, nVidia chipset, ATI video card on Vista 32. Aaargh, its annoying. XP here I come.

[Cnecktor]

I had the same problem till I update vista wacom and nvidia drivers.

[hastyle]

Vista is garbage! I have the new mac pro, dual quad core. 4 gigs of ram. I ran Vista for half a day and just got fed up. thats why i run xp x64. So much better, u get the best of both.

[CyborgChicken]

Looks like XP is getting re-installed.

[BlueFlare]

Vista is garbage! I have the new mac pro, dual quad core.

Dual quad core is extreme overkill, I can't think of one single application for Vista that would make use of that. Good for bragging right though. :D

[hastyle]

thats not true at all, dual quad core is amazing for rendering, specially with Vray. It utilize all the 8 cores.

[nintenjo]

Have you disabled all the Pen tools that com with vista? They arent needed to use your Wacom tablet drivers and only cause extra lag and delay. t took me a while to disable them on my PC but once i did all my pen related issues were resolved.

Check out vlite to remove unused features from vista.. makes it alot better infact id say vista is now far superior to XP once all the junk is removed from it.

[hastyle]

i'll definitly keep that in mind if i reinstall windows vista

[Darkling]

Just wanted to let you guys know that there is a simpler way to disable the TabletPC stuff than using VLite, and best of all, you wont need to reinstall.

Just go to your Control Panel, Select Programs, and then from the Sidebar, select "Turn Windows features on or off". When the list opens, scroll down to Tablet PC Optional Components, and uncheck the box. Clicking okay will uninstall all of the Tablet PC stuff, and hopefully resolve all those pesky problems.

I havent tried it yet myself, I am waiting for the next reboot ;)

[tomt]

Hi Darkling,

Just wanted to thank you for your tip. I didn't have a problem with CS3, which I have running now with Vista Home Premium, but did with CS2, which really lagged. I never did take it off when I upgraded, so I just went through the steps regarding the Tablet PC software, now CS2 runs fine. And to think I upgraded, sheesh. Live and learn. I'm running on a desktop by the way, not a tablet PC.

[phungdinhdung]

i have a temporary solution for the lag : keep pressing Tab twice ... to refresh the screen , there wont be any lag until you use " H" tool to move arround. ..

[Giap]

However, in m point of view, I would rather use WinXp Pro 64x than vista. Even though I have found out some tips to fix the problems so far, but thinking that I had a good time with my old WinXP Pro makes me come back to use it again.

Well, I am an artist and I will just look for something that needed :D

[Rod Seffen]

The lag (with mouse and tablet) only happens for me when I zoom in on an image and pan around it. Drawing then becomes extremely laggy and sticky.
The fix I discovered is to alt-tab another window up on top of photoshop (say you have firefox open, but any fullscreen window will do) and then tab back to phototshop and its all perfectly smooth again. I have to do this every time I pan to a new area of the canavs.
Extremely annoying.

[phungdinhdung]

it seem single Tab would be quicker :) ( show and hide tool windows)
i see that the problem less happens when i upgrade to 3GB , i dont know it 's true or not .. or just my imagination... :(

[Rod Seffen]

No, tabbing doesn't work for me, I have to cover PS with another window and tab back again to refresh it.
I have 4gb of RAM, but PS is 32 bit so I think it can't use more than 2, or just under 2.

[jimmy-paillet]

Guys...i dont want to shout victory to soon...
but by installing the Release candidate of SP1, the lagging has vanished!

You might want to try it...i'll do further testing...it's only been a few hours since i have the new SP1 :D

[Rod Seffen]

So is RC1 stable? Any problems since?

[jimmy-paillet]

So far so good!
The only drawback is that i cannot apply custom theme anymore...
Have to wait SP1 to be more widespread...
ah they all look the same anyway right now...

File transfer are better...and most important...Photoshop is cured!

[tutelary]

This CS3/Vista thing is really pissing me off. I just got my tablet this morning and uncover this apparent circle jerk going on with the drivers. This is incredibly disappointing, especially since the pen works wonderfully with sketchbook 2.

[Penumbra]

I had the same issue with the brushes until... I did as previously stated by someone else and turned off the native pen features of vista...then everything worked perfectly.

[elya911]

I've used photoshop under Vista, the performance is really really bad

I've used many version of Linux and windows, and I used Mac for sometime. Vista is by far the worest operating system I've ever used!

I'm into programming and technical database design, but I use photoshop and some other programs to retouch my photography. It's really really bad.

I think Vista is an absolute failure, at least for professional graphics users.

[jimmy-paillet]

I've used photoshop under Vista, the performance is really really bad

I've used many version of Linux and windows, and I used Mac for sometime. Vista is by far the worest operating system I've ever used!

I'm into programming and technical database design, but I use photoshop and some other programs to retouch my photography. It's really really bad.

I think Vista is an absolute failure, at least for professional graphics users.

Then stop using it and bitching about it. I did not create this thread for ranting about Vista.
It was about a specific problem, which is now SOLVED.
If you have something useful to say, you are welcome to say it. But your bitching is irrelevant here.

Besides that, your statements are really vague.
In my case, digital painting with Photoshop, Vista is clearly a winner...load times are shorter, brush performance is higher.

[Xdreamer79]

For lagging tablet strokes just go into your device manager and open the "Input Device" tree. Disable "Wacom virtual Hid Driver" and the lag is gone :)

[jimmy-paillet]

I'll add my own experience here...disabling TabletPC features in Vista didn't help in my case...(the lagging was also present when i used a mouse)
It had more to do with the Hard drive functioning like crazy each time i laid down a stroke....
delaying the drawing of the stroke

Upgrading to SP1 did the trick.

[Rod Seffen]

SP1 did not fix my problem. It's a very specific problem.
I still get severe mouse/pen lag when I pan around an image. It's as if it does not refresh when I pan to a new area, and the cursor drops to about 1 FPS.
I have to zoom to refresh it.
Of course it could be the nvidia drivers for my 8800GTX, but it's been like this for the last 3 driver updates.
Maybe something to do with my RAID 0 setup? Anyone else have that?

[jimmy-paillet]

I am really curious to know if ATI (amd) people have these kind of problems...

All those things happened shortly after i went from ATI to Nvidia...

[Emotive]

I've honestly experienced no problems at all. Is it for all brush activity or just going fast, or on a very large canvas?

I do note that I have a lot of choppyness when moving palettes for sure. That's about it though.

Specs: E6550, 4GB low latency RAM, 8800GT 512MB. Running Vista Home Premium x64.

[Rod Seffen]

There are no limiting factors. On any canvas, even 512x512, where the image is bigger than the document bounds (say I've zoomed in so can pan around it)
After I pan to a new area and release, I get severe mouse lag. It's not just brush activity, but just moving the cursor around the image is lagged to 1 FPS.
I have to zoom the image to refresh it and the problem disappears.
Since you don't have it, it's obviously not a vista problem, and I dont' think it's a 8800GTX/driver problem, since others with that card don't have it.
I don't get this panning lag in painter or paint shop pro, it's unique to photoshop.

[Xdreamer79]

Where did you configured your scratch disk? Even tried to delete the ps temp files, moving the scratch disk to another harddisk and tuning the photoshop settings?

[Emotive]

Yeah, I don't know what to tell ya. I just tried out some things and got a tiny bit of lag working on a 10k x 10k document with a 1400px chalk brush.

Make sure your copies of Vista are updated fully, got all your drivers for all your hardware and hope for the best I guess.

edit: "Make sure you don't have the Histogram open in Photoshop.

It analyzes the image on every stroke and causes this annoying lag."

and

"im running Vista64 U with CS3 and haven't had a single fault with my setup (i've disabled the Wacom Virual Hid Driver)"

Read those off another forum.

[peach4at]

i am facing the same problem now. vista CS3, intuos2, 4GB ram.
did somebody found a solution meanwhile?

[peach4at]

well, activating aero theme fixed it. what a crappy operating system...

[Emotive]

Crappy operating system?

I'd suggest you go and read & educate yourself a little bit before saying that Vista sucks.

Vista was far from perfect in it's inception into the world of OSs. Now with SP1 it's spectacular.

[peach4at]

vista still sucks, even with SP1 :p

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