Any updates?

[Rich-Art]

You won't hear a thing about that.. As you know, Maxon will not tell anything.
You will see if there is an update. Not sooner not later,

Peace,
Rich_Art. :thumbsup:

[Erik Heyninck]

"Silence and secrecy" , to quote Carlyle.

This will probably become a long and winding thread that leads to a closed door.
So I'll add my grain here: I find they owe us one!
No, not a monkey.
And Siggraph is approaching...

Saint Maxon, patron of the fourth dimension, hear our prayers.

etcetc

[Rantin Al]

Saint Maxon, patron of the fourth dimension, hear our prayers.

etcetc

Aaaaaaa-men! :wise:

[Tank_3D_Attack]

Does it help when I say "It will come soon"? ;) That was very precise wasn't it? I could also say "It comes when it's ready" ...just as useful ....


Tank

[okazaky]

I wouldn't mind if they go straight to the next release instead of a downloadable little feature extension.
I think Cinema 4D needs (besides Bodypaint & Mograph) another revolutionary element, and so I'm praying for Advanced Render 3 with an optional unbiased "Maxwell-like" physical mode every day :)

[FrankBerg]

I'm pretty sure MAXON Devs are not picking there noses..

Patience.

[Continuumx]

Just curious, and I'm not sure why I post this as I doubt anyone knows, but when we got the bug fix update, I thought someone from Maxon suggested another update with improvements /extra features was not far off, or suggested this. I know in the years past they always do a nice free update between releases. So I wonder if they will do this before Sigragh or just move on to the next version?

-Jim

Hello Jim,

While I understand your comment, I remember something along the lines of from previous discussion Maxon does not ever plan releases or development around Siggraph events, so this in no way is a guarantee of any new release or update. At the moment, I am still learning more and more about release 10.1 and Mograph module.

Release 10 will age very well. Its very modern and while other software gui's are starting to not be so much fresh anymore, the R10 gui has a long great history ahead of it.

If Mograph, and Release 10 are any indication of the magic of Maxon, the next update to AR will be beyond any dream that we have because I definitely know that Release 10 and Mograph were beyond any conception that I would have had for the next evolution of Cinema 4D.

:)

[Continuumx]

One more thing that I find startling wonderful about Release 10 is with the collasping menus and repositional menus, it is very easy to teach, and design a layout to communicate what you want to another person. This is very powerful, and definitely worth the mention.

[3dj]

Hello Jim,

While I understand your comment, I remember something along the lines of from previous discussion Maxon does not ever plan releases or development around Siggraph events, so this in no way is a guarantee of any new release or update. At tghe moment, I am still learning more and more about release 10.1 and Mograph module.

If Mograph, and Release 10 are any indication of the magic of Maxon, the next update to AR will be beyond any dream that we have because I definitely know that Release 10 and Mograph were beyond any conception that I would have had for the next evolution of Cinema 4D.

:)

Hi, that may be true, but I have been using C4D since r6, and I believe we always got a nice little "free" update between the big ones, whethor this is before or after I Sigragh I don't know, if at all. I just remember reading a post from the thread of the bugfix update that someone from Maxon implied another update was coming ... maybe I'm wrong though.

-J

[LucentDreams]

won't get into rendering or any other areas people want updated, but 10.1 isn't that old is it, do they REALLY owe you one.

I think mograph was the last product to be announced at the same time as a trade show, which sensibly was NAB. but in recent years product releases definitely haven't been around show times, Hair wasn't, R10 wasn't, 10.1 wasn't.

Also the trend in recent years has not been 3 free updates like version 6 and 7 had, but one free update IE 81, 9.1, and 10.1, and then a x.5 update that was cheaper but did have a price tag like 8.5, 9.5, and 9.5 did have a free bugfix update for 9.6.

So really there isn't any sort of a consistent pattern really in the last few versions to go off of, but We've seen maxon give the occasional free update, and a major update, and add new modules. Lets assume thats going to be the pattern. and don't forget that 10.1 is still only a few months old, consider that the time it took to fix all those bugs was time taken from developing, and would you honestly want something developed and tested in only a few months?

[3dj]

won't get into rendering or any other areas people want updated, but 10.1 isn't that old is it, do they REALLY owe you one.

Just a question man, not a demand. Should we get an update, GREAT. If not, then I for one look forward to the next release.

-Jim

[spirozero]

Saint Maxon, patron of the fourth dimension, hear our prayers.



Hilarious! :scream:

Wasn't Mograph released in April 2006 ... just over one year ago? And since then we've seen 9.6, 10 and 10.1, right? All in a matter of 14 months. That's amazing.

Of course, it'd be fun to see something around the time of Siggraph, but I'm content.

Heck, I'm still trying to round up enough $$$ for the recent Adobe and Apple upgrades!

[LucentDreams]

Just a question man, not a demand. Should we get an update, GREAT. If not, then I for one look forward to the next release.

-Jim

it was in response to Erik's post, where he said they owe us one. Its a conversation of many individuals make sure to read the whole thread.

[3dj]

it was in response to Erik's post, where he said they owe us one. Its a conversation of many individuals make sure to read the whole thread.
Sorry Kai, I read through, but I guess it was mostly at a glance. :-0

-Jim

[Erik Heyninck]

I was only throwing caution to the wind, and kerosene on the fire.
These threads appear each year and lead to nowhere.

10.1 is only a bugfix, or, perhaps better: the real Maxon-release of 10. 10 was premature, and very probably released under pressure of shareholders.
We may not extrapolate the past to know the future, but there were always some things that didn't get finished for the release date, and these became a . update. This may happen again.
Or not.

[Srek]

10 was premature, and very probably released under pressure of shareholders.
By your defintion every release of a commercial software is premature.
The simple truth is that you can only test a software so much in a closed environment. You never get the diversity in test scenarios you get in the real world and therefore many problems will only show up after release.
As for your hypothesis on shareholder pressure, thats pretty far from reality. Although Nemetschek (parent company of MAXON) is a publicaly owned company. the majority of the voting shares is still with the original founder (Prof. Nemetschek). Shareholders can and do have an influence in the long run (this shows for example in the widespread use of CINEMA 4D in architectural visualisation), but they don't have an influence on decisions such as release dates etc. There are very specific rules for the interaction between parent and owned companies, otherwise they would simply not work. Nemetschek and MAXON are a pretty good working combination which not only shows in the product but also in plain numbers.
The only pressure that realy exists is that of internal planning and this is for a good reason. Without planning software would never be finished or released, it would stay in endless Alpha or Beta state.
For each and every software release compromises have to be made, it's only when these compromises become a threat to the software that things become dangerous. I think R10 was pretty far from that point and as head of QA at MAXON i was very satisfied with the release.

Cheers
Björn

[LucentDreams]

while I can agree that 10.1 fixed a lot of major issues that came with R10, thats what all the X.1's are about, yes you occasionally get small extra features, but they were mostly about fixing bugs. 10.1 did have new features too, just not fancy ones like HDRI or something like that.

[Erik Heyninck]

Of course you know more than me about this. But it's the first time ever that this happens, and 10 was not of the same quality as previous releases. Add to this unbelief the rumours from various sources... Yes, one should never believe them, but one and one makes two.
But as said: you know the facts, I only the unbelief, and the search for an explanation.

[wuensch]

I think they owe me a FBX fix.

FBX got really screwed up in R10.1, and I either want it fixed or a Non-linear-editing feature, so I can really animate in R10 (as can be read between my lines, I am currently doing a character animation, using Motionbuilder for Animation and it is really painful this time to stumble over one inconsistency after the other when trying to convert/ export- re-import from joints /bones and ever changing skeletons when re-importing FBX and not even have something like Motiontracks to fix some things--- Retarget being a lame joke without the slightest option to manipulate the motion-data ).


R10 is nice, but I have to agree it is not finished , too many functions half-done.
I also want the Joints-weight tool to work in the non-perspective views all the time and a weight-blur solution.

R10 is just not finished yet, and I wish I could open the project in R9.6 and finish it there.

Olli

[heathivan]

Howdy,

Not a basher, but I identify with Erik Heyninck and wuensch's remarks. Do a search for "bug" in this forum and you'll see why. New functions / Gui Gloss / Bells+Whistles should be put on hold while bugs are fixed and removed functionality is returned. Point release by point release.

---h

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