animation: 3 min of insanity, DIVX

[.FX.]

Well you sure got the INSANE part right, looks cool imo though :wavey:

[aenema]

i was confused at first by how you explained it, but its quite interesting. you sure got some fast hands if you can draw all that in 3 minutes! :thumbsup: interesting work

[vts31]

thanx. i got the idea from a picasso video that shows him drawing, The weird thing about my video is that when i think about it i remember it as an aniamtion rather than drawings being made.

[dark_lotus]

One word:

Interesting.

[Carl]

Cool, Which venetian snares track is that?

[vts31]

Originally posted by Carl
Cool, Which venetian snares track is that?

Personal Discourse

[jah]

love it

funky sh!t :insane:



:arteest:

[XerC]

Definitely one of the coolest things I've seen here for some time.
That's what I call freaky live action art!

[eric P]

?................is it supposed to be funny or you really believe in what you have done?

[vts31]

Originally posted by eric P
?................is it supposed to be funny or you really believe in what you have done? whatr difference does it make.

[LPlasma]

Erm. Yeah. That was kind of pointless IMO.

[FloydBishop]

:beer:

Here's to you!!

Art for art's sake beats out chrome spheres on checkerboard floors any day!!

Thanks for the refreshing dose of creativity!! It would be nice to see some more of this kind of stuff around here!!

[vts31]

thanx guys! The video was made using your standard software used for capturing screenshot type video. i had it running while i drew in Painter. I only used 1 layer for the whole thing.
.I made it because i needded a break from the typical trndy stuff that im used to seeing. actually this frustration brought my last website to life http://vts330.tripod.com <- keep in mind i was only 17 at that time. but i think the work is good.

[CGmonkey]

Ah excellent.. I love this kinda art!!! You must be proud! :)

[kr3ml]

Very interesting... some new kind of art? :bounce:

[indigooo]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL


you have inspired me tonight :D



o_O

[vts31]

thanx guys. Everytime i make something new i expect everyone to hate it a lot, some do, so it surprising when people i look up to like it :). BTW anyone ever wanna colab on something. im a very good 2 artist.


Indigoo: AWESOME WORK!

[arjun]

Were you using a Wacom? Though the drawings looked a bit messy on first glance because they were done so fast, they look really amazingly good if you actually look at it.

Great work! :beer:

[vts31]

Originally posted by arjun
Were you using a Wacom? Though the drawings looked a bit messy on first glance because they were done so fast, they look really amazingly good if you actually look at it.

Great work! :beer:

thanx. yeah i was using a wacom graphire 2 4xx5. hehe yeah the look was a bit messy. if you are interested in seeing a bit mroe of my work im working on a Test Flash gallery, http://electron.edwinrosero.com :)

-edwin

[WhiteRabbitObj]

Heh, my teacher would love you, she's all into crazy experimental stuff. I actually enjoyed this though.

[vts31]

haha yeah mine is too.

[Tim Deneau]

Hah, very cool :thumbsup:

[Tom N.]

Originally posted by vts31
whatr difference does it make.

A huge difference. Posting something that you worked on and believe in and want to have people crit it for you is one thing, and posting 3 minutes of crap just to have a post is another thing. Thats why people asked if you really believe in what you did or not.

I'm not saying it was crap I'm saying that it makes a big difference whether or not you are being serious or not when it comes to art.. thats just my opinion though. Your 3 minutes wasn't really the style that I like but there are tons of people who love it so if you like it then keep it up :p

-Tom N.

[Volker]

I just love our subjective age where we can vomit on a canvas and call it art, and everyone has to recognize it or they are labeled "narrow minded".

:)

~Zach

[vts31]

Tom N: I see your point sorry for my comment. When i said "it didnt make a difference" i meant that i wanted each person to make up their mind about it. I knew some would se it as art and others as crap, Art is a very subjective matter. But for the record, Yes i do believe in it, it had been a very stressful day for me and making that was an amazing release. I dont really go for such crazyness but at the time thats how i was feeling and it felt really good to just let go and vibe to the music :airguitar. it was inspired by james patterson's www.presstube.com as well as by LOCKE's http://damaged.anime.net and my old site http://vts330.tripod.com .

[stephen2002]

hummmmmmmmmmm...

interesting...fairly original as well!

[vts31]

someone mentioned that i should do something simmilar but to draw slow and detailed and then speed it up. i'll work on it tonight and post it back up here.

[vts31]

*bump* I added to the first post. i madede another video. no point in mkaing 2 threads.

http://www.edwinrosero.com/321.html

[blindsleeper]

really odd but i like it

[KolbyJukes]

That's absolutely beautiful, and very inspirational. Do you have a classical art background?

I wanna do this myself.

-Kol.

[vts31]

Originally posted by KWAK
That's absolutely beautiful, and very inspirational. Do you have a classical art background?

I wanna do this myself.

-Kol.


thanx. apart from a few college courses i dont. i do paractice a lot tho. ive been drawing almost daily for the past 6 years. mostly self taught.

[XAQT]

Great! Really enjoyed watching it.

[dbach]

Maby you can convince some government to buy it for a couple of mill :D


Out,
Don

[Rawn]

very interesting idea.....don't foget to register hypercam hehehe.

you should do a 3d version. next...take a primitive and go haywire with it.

[vts31]

Originally posted by Rawn
very interesting idea.....don't foget to register hypercam hehehe.

you should do a 3d version. next...take a primitive and go haywire with it.

This is a very good idea!

[jampoz]

... that IS a good idea, it has been done for tutoring purposes, but never for an artistic video
as much as i can remember, at least

[vts31]

i tried to do it but its not the same. =/

[jampoz]

Yeh but it's good anyway, so what's the matter :o)

[vts31]

Originally posted by jampoz
Yeh but it's good anyway, so what's the matter :o)

true. ima try it again but after seeing the stop motion modeling on the front page i think i better stick to 2d

[Rawn]

2 words... paint fx.

paint fx would lend itself nicely to this.

you could make some great stuff in 3mins. I watched Duncan Brimsmead make a landscape scene including clouds, lightning, fire, animated trees blowing int he wind in no time at all.

[iBlue]

peculiar

[PANZER]

that was really interesting to see. i enjoyed the whole thing. very insprational as said. :thumbsup: gotta do it myself too..hehe.

[noktUp]

Erase!

[Radacci]

Well, art is a very personal thing, and it means different things to different people, so i dont think anyones comments here is wrong or right.
Personally this isnt art to me, and i just see it as a act of boredom without aim, since you delete everything you draw in the animation...
And if this is art then anyone could do serious art any day...which i find odd...
And if i drew picasso artwork why wouldnt i be able to sell it for 100000s of dollars? if picasso did he could sell anything for absurd amounts of money....so why cant i? just because he is picasso? then is it his *art* that is worth, or just the fact that he did it? then his *art* wouldnt be art...anyways enough o blabbering, i dont know where i want to get with this myself :)

flame on!

[Vash T Stampede]

Why, yes... it did drive me insane in 3 minutes...:wip:



weird but funky...:surprised :twisted:

[jampoz]

Guys, i think the whole thing is going to reach a pretty good topic
ART
What is art? Let's give an opinion about that, 'cause i'm really interested in what you think. I hope i can understand from you all something more about this weird things named ART.

Let's take the first step and hope someone will follow me :o)

First of all, I'm gonna apoligize in advance for my bad english but i'm italian and english is not my language, but this shouldn't stop be from trying to express what i want to tell you, let's hope so... :o)

Art is the commercial definition of what we do, what we're doing here every day, it's could be an hobby, it could be a job, but it's a personal thing and each one of us give 'em a different meaning to what we do.

noktUp is right, we're not supposed to understand each drawing/animation, sure, but it's worth to us if we can get a meaning from what we see. Like Elmond told us all.
This "3 min of insanity" gave me alot to think about, that's the importance of it all, and it's not ART, or at least it's not what we usually define art .

Because art is meant to be sold, art is a fast way to describe it all.
We're used to give unmeaningful names to things 'cause we live in a world where we have to label everything in a fast and superficial way. "ART" is the worst label ever made by man. Too generic, too meaningless.

That movie is not boredom without aim just 'cause he deleted everything he made, i could get my own meaning and i can look at it like if it was a movie with it's own story.
In every movie you watch all the frames get deleted by new frames, sure you can go back and look at them again, but they go away, Just like he did... is a movie boredom without aim? :o)

Picasso sold and became famous 'cause he drew meaningul things in a whole different way, if you copy him you'd be the second, not the first, and you probably won't sell s**t, neither would i. The good thing in him is that he found out a new way to express himself. And people buy it even if they can't understand what it means, they buy just 'cause it's labeled ART and looks cool.

Well, IF this is art, the i hope to never see art on this forum, but only apparently unmeaningful things like this movie, that only few people can understand.

If everybody dislike it, then maybe it's worth something :o)

PS: I'm glad he made it when he was bored, at least he made it feeling something, ehehe :o)
(boredom with an aim, to me)

[Maximus Groff]

:cool:

seems like fast poetry on canvas....

but

when u stop and think about sounds silly.. :)

[vts31]

I understand the viewpoints posted here and feel i should a bit of story to this. Ive been drawing for 7 years. In the past year i have over 400+ digital paintings. If you count things in sketchbook and 3d and flash works its a lot more. This video is tries to be the humbe visual equivilent of one of John Coltranes songs...were its and 2 drummers and he goes INSANE and he does a 9min solo thats unbelivable, a lot of peopl wouldnt even consider that song music (sorry i forgot the name). But its purpose is expression not asthetic value. Ive been drawing for a long time and its hard to stay creative and keep thinking of fresh things. I have found that letting go and just doing what u feel is not only theraputic but it inspires creativity. This was never about technical ability, its about expression. I wanted to see what one of my fav songs, from one of my fav musicians would inspire in me in 3 min. No planning no thinking just expression. i wanted it ot be Raw. I agree in that it doesn't serve a purpose but its that lack of purpose that makes it appealing. Thank you for taking the time to view it. I really love this community. thanks again.

[Radacci]

But then i wouldnt call it art, but rather just insanity :) where you let go of everything to find clarity and dig up inspiration from the chaos, sure it can be a good way to find inspiration, but is it realy art?
I mean, you just let go and draw whatever to get inspiration, and people start seeing things you never intended, and it means something totaly different to them, parhapps they can find inspiration in your animation, but is it art then, or just inspiration? or is both of them the same thing?
If art is inspiration, then it's something fantastic! :)
If it isnt, then im still clueless :surprised
To bad i didnt find any in this animation of yours :shrug:

Parhapps i should go insane, im in terrible need of inspiration!!
To bad you need to go insane to find clarity:hmm:

[Carl]

I think this is pretty cool. I like the relationship between the drawing and the music. I like the way the brush strokes at times sync up with the beats. I remember reading awhile ago in Juxtapoz magazine about an artist pair that would do live paintings at clubs to music. I guess in a way it's a music video, but at the same time the visual seems more important, so it's like a music video flipped.

I agree thats it is like Picasso's painting on glass. Except he didn't have music. He wasn't really responding to anything. It was just like "Watch Picasso paint". I think this is much more about how the music and the drawing work together.

The drawing is a nice match to the music. Venetian Snares' music is insane and highly schizophrenic. Sometimes it slips into something recognizable but then it destroys it and moves onto something else. I think your drawing mirrors that nicely. Good job :thumbsup:

[vts31]

Venetian Snares' music is insane and highly schizophrenic. Sometimes it slips into something recognizable but then it destroys it and moves onto something else.

My first reaction to their music was WTF? then i got into squarepusher and Cex and now i like venetian snares

[noktUp]

Black Screen.

[vts31]

damn d00d that was inspirational as hell!. THANX :buttrock:

[Radacci]

How poetic of you :) but as i said, art is something very personal, and you percieve art in your own way, and i do it in another, so there is nothing wrong or right in the way we percieve it...because there is no defined *right* what art is.
Because we all see different things as beautifull, While i think nature is beautifull, someone else thinks its cold and harch, and thinks women are beautifull, and a gay thinks they are nothing special.
So to me, nature is art, and to others, not.

And about your first comment that anyone that doesnt think this is art is jealous or harbours resenment towards creativity....thats what you just did! you critisize others who doesnt think this is art, because you do :p .

[noktUp]

Erase!

[Radacci]

In that case, anything and everything can be art, since most people find something beautiful, and combined everyone on earth finds everything *art* Man-made, or nature-made.
Is that why a mixer machine with fish in it, is art? (there was a art exibition here in sweden where there was such a thing. and anyone could press the button to...slice up...the fish...)

[noktUp]

Erase!

[Radacci]

its fine :) logic-battles are fun...as long as i win of course :p
Just kidding :D

But realy, its good to see others POVs as well in things, opens up your mind to new idees, no good to be stuck up in same thinking patterns, thats what keeps people from inspiration i guess...

[noktUp]

Erase!

[Radacci]

:shame:
yeah, i was gonna point it out, but i resisted the urge :applause:
doesnt matter as long as it doesnt mean anything rude :)

We all do misstakes eh? no harm done or taken:)

[noktUp]

No point eh? hehe
Thanks for the brain candy, elmond!


F00k what you heard. Art is fun!
:)

[one333]

I love how this sparks a big debate about "valid" art when a vast amount of work on this site is either adolescent power fantasies ala big mech cyborg/hero post apocalyptic figure with immense gun/sword phallus or masturbatory idealized anime fetish asian cyborg ninja girl. Why is it that an amazingly detailed pair of breasts just bursting out of their robotic cliche lens flare armor gets no negative criticism in terms of valid content, but this guy has to justify a performance piece with music? If you're all of sudden going to decide to criticize content and not just technique, at least be thorough about it.

[somlor]

I was actually listening to Ventian Snares when I clicked on this thread! :beer:
strange!

Very expressive work! I like it. I think if you kept doing it more often you may even be able to find certain visual patterns/transitions that work well with this art form... like in the same way that improvisational musicians talk about locking in to certain archetypes that make their expression more meaningful. :shrug:

Sean.

[Chruser]

The work of a madman. Nicely done! :D

However, I don't think I would recommend using that as your showreel though, unless you were applying for a full-time job as a lunatic in a mental institution. :D

[vts31]

Thanx again for the positive support. Dont worry this is not intended for clients to be seen.

[aenema]

very cool second video! I really liked your first one, and this one too, its a very innovative piece of work :thumbsup:

[malcolmvexxed]

Originally posted by one333
I love how this sparks a big debate about "valid" art when a vast amount of work on this site is either adolescent power fantasies ala big mech cyborg/hero post apocalyptic figure with immense gun/sword phallus or masturbatory idealized anime fetish asian cyborg ninja girl. Why is it that an amazingly detailed pair of breasts just bursting out of their robotic cliche lens flare armor gets no negative criticism in terms of valid content, but this guy has to justify a performance piece with music?

lmao. don't forget lord of the rings stuff.

[mactabilis]

Well.. I believe art is an expression of a thought, idea or feeling through use of visual, tactile, or auditory means. A thought, idea, feeling etc can only be expressed through these means. For example, anything someone paints immortalizes that moment; their feelings, ideas, thoughts, into a physical thing either subconsciously or through the conscious decision to put a thought or feeling into what one is creating.

That said.. there would be 3 types of arts (that I can think of at the moment).
1. Conscious, Decision-based art. Most "art" would qualify as this. This is art where someone sits down, and tries to put down a thought, or feeling into their medium - canvas, CD, dance, typewritten document. They feel something, and want to convey it.

2. Subconcious-Expression art. This kind of art, what I would think this 3 min of insanity would go under, is where one starts out, drawing, singing, writing, dancing without a clear objective, just doing it for the sake of doing it, letting their energy flow. Subconscious thoughts and energies flow into their work.. and often this is the most raw, basic, true art you can get, without standards and objectives getting in the way.

3. "Everything" art. This is when one makes ANYTHING.. the way they make it is affected by how they are feeling, what they are thinking about, and their basic skills/style. The person laying tile in an office building at $5 an hour has an "art".. the way they laid the tile expresses something, but it may be difficult to pick up, but none-the-less it is an art, and may be unique to them.

Now.. I really believe art is a entity-created thing.. So nature.. is it art? Depends on if you think of what ever created nature as an entity... Now.. personally Im thinking category two for that.. a universal force, perhaps with a subconcious, creating things as it goes.. but whatever..


Anyyway.. why the hell did I just write that? Why is it so stupid? I really don't know.. Id say it was a category 2 essay... Just because.
And you know.. I feel better having written it.. as if something has been cleansed.


so.. is this "3 min" thing art.. hell yes it is.. and it is great.. and more people should do things like that.. rather than making the mechs they've seen 300 of, and are making... cuz they look cool (which yes.. I do like mechs.. and especially the newer more organic- ultra smooth curvy ones ;-)

sorry If I bugged anyone with my stupid sh*t

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