Char : The general.

[amos_chid]

SUPERB :buttrock:

can't wait to see the textured version, is it the same with the one in your site ???

[Raul-Reznek]

and the char anatomy









http://www.etechfilms.com/Raul/poze/The_general1.jpg

[Raul-Reznek]

yes it is one and the same.

People may wonder why i concider this FINISHED WORK , well if my pc wouldn't be so slow i could finish the whole mesh :D, but every time i try to render over teh current quantity it blows up in flames :D
SO don't be too pissed at me :D

[amos_chid]

:) I think it's a finished piece.

Could you post the wireframe for us so we can learn from you.
I really-really like this, AWESOME modeling skill

I'm sure if u render him with a nice BG this piece will be PLUGGED :buttrock:

[Raul-Reznek]

forgot to post the relaxed stances

http://www.etechfilms.com/Raul/poze/braz1.jpg

[unrealwarfare]

amazing! i love the different face expressions - really shows off his mood.... i also am looking forward to seeing the textured version. great work!

[SheepFactory]

Great stuff raul!

Can you post a low poly wireframe and if possible a render from a different angle?

Plugged you at the front page.

[Dark-Angel]

sweet stuff, duno if you could do this, i would like to see wire frames of the face, armor and sword, cause im soon gonna start modeling a drow elf "after finishing concept drawing", some stuff would be useful to see how you did it, i like the designe on the armor.

[Cronium]

Hey, nice work! How long did it take to model him?

I looked at the pics at your site and i must say that your facemodeling is outstanding!.

Cheers! :beer:

[Aros]

Looking great! Though I'd like to see him with legs ;)

Can't wait for the finishing result.

Btw: shouldn't this be in the WIP forum? :D

[Nicool]

Realy good job:eek:

--if computer get slow it's maybe because you work with spline. So you should setup 3dsmax to get a lower resolution for the polygons calculation.
--And setup your views to have something like when you turn the camera around the object, it shows the scene in wireframe and after moving the camera it comes in plain polys render.
--Use the isolate tool to work on a peace of the mesh. And don't forget to hide some object.
--At worse work sith referenced files by putting some element in another scene and draw avatar of them elves in the main scene
-- And because your are a 3dartist, you should try to buy more ram.
Just some advices:beer:

But about the model, it's realy right done:thumbsup: The fact he hasn't legs is interesant too! (even if we know it's a technical problem)

[do0d]

really nice modelling!!! :D like it!!! dont think he'd be able to bow down tho cause of the armor.. :D anyway he's perfect!!!!

[Serial Killer]

Nice work I've seen your work at threedy and I always like your work and renders, one question how do you manage to animate such a complex char?? that's a question I have always wonder to myself how?

Great work keep us updated:beer:

[Maya Ayanami]

Nice job very well done.
How may hours did you put into this.:drool:

[jeb]

plugged already!

great show raul. im angry with your computer for not leting you finish it.:drool:

[ja3d]

Really great anatomy and character modeling :eek:
Congratulations!!!

[ìÍ!]

Very nice!

[sizzlebits]

You rule. Your models contain so much life and personality. Rock on... How long does it take you to model something like that? Oh yeah, can we see some wireframes?

[That Adrian Guy]

Great job, Raul! My crit stands the same as the one I gave you "elsewhere" Just wanted to reply to up your reply count!

[nObedienz]

gimme more gimme more
:buttrock:
been watching you for a while now, since I just adore you
avatar :)

[Roasturkey]

great stuff raul, only crit i have is that his shoulders seems to be pinching a little too much, but its not really a problem when his armour is on. MHO
other than that great job! :buttrock:
would love to see a wireframe

[cakeypigdog]

this is excellent work. i've added your website to my favourites. :p
you have a superb grasp of form. your characters all feel good and weighty :) . great style. :beer:
someone by the man a bigger puter so he can get his character finished!!

[harmonic01]

It rocks, great stuff. Love your other stuff on your website. Cheesus, and you're only 17? :eek:

[Dark-Angel]

talking about his site. when will thoes tuts be up :buttrock:

[Shimano]

Great stuff! The pose is pretty cool but I think the silhouette of his fingers on his right hand is a little weak.

:thumbsup:

[Warden]

maybe your PC blows up because you're modeling to much damn detail!!

[yellowworm]

OMG that's amazing!
i'm so impressed and jealous!

:)

[celticdog]

this kid's only 17! what the f#$k!! Seriously, its awe inspiring to see this kind of talent.

[jscarr]

Raul,

Nice modeling of shape & form.

Interpreting & exploring the pose is subjective so this is just my take on it...

Some poses "read" really well, conveying the emotion & situation quickly. Clearly this guy is a bit strange and has thoughts about what he's looking at -- but his intention isn't clear (to me).

First, his left hand shows little effort in holding the sword... his hand is far from the hilt and the spread of the thumb & index finger make it look like he's holding it loosely. [perhaps he's going to bitch-slap us with it ;]

The right hand is positioned forward in space, toward us, and is gnarled up like he wants to scratch the hell out of something. Being located where it is gives the impression action may be emitting from here.

I might pose him like he's threatening to strike, pointing at us; or go with the current look, but have his right hand inspecting the sharpness of the tip of his sword.

Keep it up -- good luck on a new box. ;)

-Joe

[Raul-Reznek]

WOOOHOOOO! i got plugged
Thx a lot Sheep Factory :D

I can't reply to each one of you cuz i can't see all your names :D

I am going to provide all that is neccesary in a short while.

NO matter what i try to do when i render any more max crashes, some bug. BUT Warden HIT the bullseye :D, too much detils. The whole thing now has 300.000 or more.. can;t remember :D

It takes me 5 days to model a head another 5 to 7 to make the body and i'd say 4 days to stylize, but school is always eating up all my time. i work bout 6 hrs/day so...

for the people interested in the tuts, i am NOT making a tut, i was going to but something stopped me from doing so.

Adrian - thx bud :D

Jed - what you yappin bout man!? you're in the damn BRAZIL gallery :D

later and thx again!

[Raul-Reznek]

Must admit Jscarr that is a complete and firm crit on the pose, i agree to all u say :D

i DID want him to look as if he was in the middle of a THROAT CUTTING/ STRIKING action, guess i have to learn more posing :D

[yellowworm]

i hate you.

i went to your site and drooled, then pulled out my driver's license and changed my date of birth to 1990. so now i'm 13
and that gives me 4 years to catch up!

haha!

:)

[tubby]

fantastic modelling! Raul really nice work, I'm excited to see this one finished! I order you to stop modelling for at least another 5 years, your too good for 17!:)

[ZVAN]

coOL! he loSt hiS leG?!?! hhahah!

[moroten]

Awesome talent. Please do your best to stay humble though, its easy to get too cocky with all the raves... :D

One more tip about how to get your 3D app faster: crank up the thread priority in Task Manager to Above Normal. This could make a big difference, especially if you have lots of "system tray dirt" going on. This way, 3dsmax / Maya / LW will be favorized by the cpu. I assume you have a decent OS (win2k / XP, you need one of these to affect thread priority.

[goodlag]

:eek:

wow

great detail model :applause:

[Teyon]

Well now you've just gone and done it, haven't you? You realize of course I'm gonna have to love this model for the rest of my days? I hope you're happy. :cool:

[Max4ever]

when i was 17 i dated chicks and drink beer...;)
but i supose you'll be dating chicks and get drunk at 21 :)
bravo raul! ;)

[do0d]

may i know what stopped you from doing the tuts???:D

[facial]

Well done. :thumbsup:

[Dark-Angel]

i want to know why you cant do em, and i want to see wire frames :)

[FatherGlory]

I like the face and expression. Nice. :)
The ornate belt is cool too.

:applause:

[eezie]

I love your style man.. saw yer stuff at 'the poo' a few months back.. this owns all that. great. :beer:

[nibo]

Congratiolations Raul!!!
You made it to the frontpage!
Great model!
Keep it up bro!
:beer:


(and ask your folks for a better compu, so you can really finish this one!!!) ;)

[ALZHEM]

A-M-A-Z-I-N-G

[pablov]

beautiful model man, great job:buttrock:

[mindrot]

holy puck :eek: ... this is soooo damn sweet.

Great work :thumbsup:

[nadeemmar]

great work raul ... really love your work

but man .... are you still angry from that guy on 3dtotal.....forget about him...
WE WANT THE TUTORIAL

[Max4d]

Hey Folks

For those that are wondering why Raul won't make a tut, i am the one to blame. I had a fight with him on another site and he was so pissed that he won't make the tutorial.

Nadeemmar: I don't know if i should be offended or not, but i appologiezed a million times and if he is still angry at me, so be it.

Max4d

[ceql]

very charismatic details, Nice!! :beer: :bounce:

[nibo]

Yeah Max4d, Raul is (at least he WAS) very angry with you.
Please don't piss anyone off, because now there's no tut, because of it!
That's a shame!
:shame:

[Indigo]

This IS very nice.

Keep up the good work !


:beer:

[Max4d]

Hey

Nibo, well this is what i was afraid off. People would think that i am the bad guy here, ruining everybody's chance of looking at how Raul worx. Well, if you followed the 3dtotal thread, then you wil know that i am not to blame. I think that Raul is getting me back like this, telling that i ruined the tut, just because i gave some comment that wasn't unfair.

So, please don't start to hate me, because it was not my fault.

Greetz Max4d

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by Max4d
Hey

Nibo, well this is what i was afraid off. People would think that i am the bad guy here, ruining everybody's chance of looking at how Raul worx. Well, if you followed the 3dtotal thread, then you wil know that i am not to blame. I think that Raul is getting me back like this, telling that i ruined the tut, just because i gave some comment that wasn't unfair.

So, please don't start to hate me, because it was not my fault.

Greetz Max4d

From the scraps I gathered from these few posts, you angered Raul, and that that's the reason why he didn't make a tut. In other words, if you didn't made him angry, there would be an tutorial.

How can it not be your fault?

[Raul-Reznek]

COULD YOU GUYS PIPE DOWN!!!

this is MY thread! ok!?
i don't want to hear anything bout what i did and crap.

This is not a tabloid, go FLUSH the toilets somewhere else, and max, send me PMs,please don't post here as i told u some time ago.

And stop with the tutorial crap, ask Leigh, Equinoxx or Nibo( :D ) or MANY otehrs for a tutorials. I have nothing to share right now!

this is the end of the tut thing PLEASE!!!

I want to ENJOY my own thread...pls?!

[Max4d]

Hey Raul

I like the general, very good personality, nice anatomy detail and stuff, in other works it rox. But how the hell can you spend 6 hours a day on cg, i only have 2 i can spend :surprised

So, it is a very good model, but i think that it could even be bether if you made the arms a bit more detailed, i mean the muscles. The armor is fantastic, love the detail.

And for god sakes, finish this one ok :D:D:D:D, seen to many unfinished things by you ;)

Greetz Max4d

[HawVer]

Cool stuff. :D Maybe you can texture it? Textures don't have an effect on the amount of faces.
A tutorial is nice but not necessary. This tutorial is good enough to learn the basics of boxmodelling. Use your own imagination! http://www.3dtotal.com/ffa/tutorials/max/joanofarc/joanmenu.asp Maybe you can post a wire?
Comment: The muscles between the chest and the arms are a little bit unnatural
I hope you understand my english.

[Raul-Reznek]

Hello guys.

Finished him. i am pretty pleased with the outcome.
Any crits? :D

http://www.etechfilms.com/Raul/3d/The_general_final1.jpg

[Raul-Reznek]

and another solution for posing



http://www.etechfilms.com/Raul/3d/The_general_final2.jpg

[Raul-Reznek]

and the wire u guys wanted.




http://www.etechfilms.com/Raul/3d/The_general_final2_wire.jpg

[sethmisek]

the wire image could use a bright ambient light so its easier to see
great model im likin it

[Hellwolve]

I like pose two better. It would be something else then the agresive pose, wich is used many times.

[amos_chid]

i like both poses :buttrock:
this is definitely a cgtalk gallery material :D

is that brazil u use to render both poses ?
because i'm triying to achieve the same effect as yours :D

[Franky]

Pose 2 is better,model looks very good.I like it much.:thumbsup:

[Steveyola]

Very nice model.But much too dark.I understand the mood and all,but at least to showcase the model properly before you set him in a final scene you should show him in a brighter setting.To really show us the model.:thumbsup:

[nibo]

He bro! Imo I think the second pose is the best.
He's really concentrating and prepering for the battle. hehe
1 crit maybe: In the first pic you can very clearly see that the arm-armor has a sharp edge. It's like it's sliced. Maybe make a little bit of a rounding there, so it doesn't look that chopped.
In pose 2, you deleted the leftarm-armor I guess, so there's no problem.
Anyway.....keep rock'n :airguitar

c ya later :beer:

[gf666]

respect:xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme: :xtreme:

[davids]

that is a seriouly wicked model dude.. wow!!!:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[harly]

Hey Raul, that´s a very charismatic character, hats off!!
Has you modelled some legs/feet now?
That would be superb to have a completed model and not only the torso.
I hope you can save some money to buy a faster processor and more RAM, that will definitively benefit to your 3dcareer.

[Edouard]

respect:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :xtreme:

[hhmaya]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :applause: :applause:
good !

[Incitatus]

LEGS! pls give hime LEGS! :beer:

[Raul-Reznek]

hey guys thx a lot
i'll try to give u some new stuff tomorrow.
yes i'm using brazil

i don't think bout makin legs, i think the suspense in the image is different without the legs visible.


It's becoming a industry rule to TRUELY finish your models so that they are complete :D
i don't like all rules heh :D

thx again guys!

[Michael Chen]

He looks pretty tough. Not bad, is he an ORC general?

Anyway keep up the good work :buttrock:

[amos_chid]

I wonder why this is not plugged yet..
absoultely good stuff you got here :buttrock: :thumbsup:

[ceql]

Originally posted by amos_chid
I wonder why this is not plugged yet..
absoultely good stuff you got here :buttrock: :thumbsup:

hehe it's already been plugged ;) Definetely deserved it too ;)

[amos_chid]

They should add more thumbnail for front page gallery :) ,
i missed lots of thread lately due to many awesome works posted here :D

:thumbsup:

[Raul-Reznek]

ok guys how is this

http://www.etechfilms.com/Raul/3d/The_general_f.jpg

[Martyr]

Wow man really great, your modelling is great your texturing is great too i could be verry cool to give him legs...I agree the mood of your picture dont need legs, but only to make this character complete because he is so cool anyway its YOUR character so you can make what you want with him.:buttrock:

[Teyon]

I love that last pic Raul. Ya know, he reminds me of some actor but I can't put my finger on who. It's mostly in the mouth and chin area. It's a great model as always and this last pose does it for me.


Just figured it out! He reminds me of the major baddie in Mortal Kombat 1! The same guy who will be forever type casted as an evil villain (played in the Phantom among other movies)....what is his name?!? Ah well, at least I have that outta my head, it would have bugged me all night. C-ya Raul.

[Martyr]

I think you talk about Brian johnson:buttrock:

[Teyon]

Oh, lord no. I like this guy too but I was referring to teh asian gent that got spiked in the end of the first movie. Thanks though. Put a thin and extra long mustache on Raul's model and you'd start to see it too I think but I don't want to take the thread OT. Thanks anyway for trying to get me that guy's name!

[Threedeemer]

Nice image; Really like the pose and gloves. Hey Teyon I was thinking the same thing, he resembles a combination of him and the guy posted by Martyyr25. :D Very cool.

[Threedeemer]

Hey Raul if your wondering, Hiroyuki Tagawa is his name.

[Teyon]

YES!YES! THAT'S IT! *threedeemer does a charlie brown back flip* He looks like a combination of both of those guys! Man, feels so good not to be the only one who saw that. :) Okay, back to Raul's wonderful art....

[nibo]

It's getting better every day.
:airguitar

[mindrot]

Hooly jeebers this just keeps on getting better :drool:

*sets as wallpaper*

[mindrot]

oo oo :bounce: forgot to add, much better pose....

[Max4ever]

hai mah ce naiba e asha de greu sa-i tragi un background?
the pose is great but finish the damn picture!:buttrock:

[Raul-Reznek]

thx a lot guys!

yea Teyon i was thinkin about that myself :D

i really am NOT gonna add legs :D si nici backg. :p hehe

[Great_Vertex]

Top notch modeling but I dont like the grain you put into the picture at all.

*edit* Ok I just saw your newest pic... That is one of the best peices I have ever seen, simply amazing.

[Raul-Reznek]

hey guys, finished it :D


http://img.tapuz.co.il/forums/14007714.jpg

[pabbloz]

Amen! :D

[Raul-Reznek]

Hey pabbloz haven't seen you in ages man :D

Good to see a smiling avatar in here :D

[Hellwolve]

Great pic! Now, if you don't mind, I'm gonna bother you with a question:

can we have a 1024X768 render?

:p

[pabbloz]

Yeah! I'm completly busy with music, but maybe you will see me here again with some stuff... :)

Anyway... it's always a pleasure surf on cgTalk forums and see great works like this! :thumbsup:

Well.. it's just finished... really well done by the way, but what about add some kind of magic? I'm thinking in a blue-rays sword... hehe ;)

[sizzlebits]

Great image man. Very nice.... Maybe a little more work on the lighting. Seems to miss alot of the details due to darkness. But maybe it's just my monitor calibration. =)

[MPocorschi]

well well finally :D
glad to see it finished.
in caz ca mai vrei sa lucrezi 5 minute la el ti-ash sugera sa mareshti lumina pe capatzana...du-o spre alb.
anyway it's great stuff! :beer:
later edit: max here ;)

[Error323]

It's a very nice picture, only I think the noise doesn't make it better :(

[Max4d]

Hey Raul

A picture says more than thousand words, i made a little retouch of your greatimage. In my opinion it should more like this. Hope i didn't offend you, just wanna help.

I feel a cg talk choice award neering you :D:D:D

http://www.redrival.com/Max4d/14007714Better.jpg

Greetz Max4d

[Raul-Reznek]

WOW!! that's a LOT better then mine Max, really nice man, thx! :D

I'll post the new image in a sec with Max's adjustmen on it again.

Could u guys tell which is better, the one with the effect or the one without...

thx a lot!

[Raul-Reznek]

here it is.












http://azra.eonet.ro/FAITH_final.jpg

[ChandlerL]

Originally posted by Max4d
i made a little retouch of your greatimage

Incidentally, for the CG learners, how did you do that effect? (I'm assuming in Photoshop)?

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by Hellwolve
Great pic! Now, if you don't mind, I'm gonna bother you with a question:

can we have a 1024X768 render?

:p

Raul-Reznek, I repeat, can we get an 1024X768 render?

:p

[Gnowoga]

great work! however, some small adjustements I would recommend would be to adjust the light down just a teeny weeny notch, and turn down the grain just a little bit.

not much, just some tiny things that I *think* will make it look even better!

GREAT work man, keep it up! :buttrock:

[Max4d]

The Battle for Peace

“The old cathedral was empty and abandond. It had seen many events accure during it’s 2000 years of existence, but this one would be surtenly the greates of all. A massiv battleground had been shaped in the presence of this holy cathedral, like it had never been seen before.
But even this holy relic, the symbol of hope and peace has become a victim of hatred and war. It looked cumbled, not only from within, but also on the outside, like and old man waiting for his final day to come. Many bricks and pillars were destroyed and layed scattered on the floor. The glory and beuity it once new had flown away, like a summer breeze that liftes you from your dreams for only a mere second, before it puts you back to harsch reality that is your life.
That was exactly the way the General feeled. He was the greatest of fighters, many battles had been won because of his strengt and determination. But even he didn’t know how this fight was going to turn out. Was this going to be his last fight? Was he to be given a simular faith as many of his enemies had experienced? A gruwsome death that no living being could possibly wish and phantom. Even he, with all his wisdom and experience didn’t know the outcome this time. But he had to be strong, to give that strength to his soldiers so that they could march our of this war as the victors. But only God would know the outcome in such unpredicteble times like these. Was he destined for a greater cause, by proving on this planet that he was the strongest of fighters? Or was God sick of his battles and the pains he caused?
Not a day went bye when he thought of the enemies and insonent people that had fallen by decisions he had made. Many had died because of his faults or because he pushed his enemies to far. He could still here the screams, see the tears and misserie when the battle had endend and thefog dissapeerd. Only death and decay was what remainded. Families torn away buildings destroyed. And for what purpose? To prove who was the greatest? To prove that one was more worthy than others? How useless it seemed to him now. He would undo it in an instance if the oppurtunity was given, but he knew that even his deity wouldn’t grand him this. This was the burden of his life, he had to learn and live with it. There was nothing that he could do, but to revenge the innocent victims that had fallen because of him. Let God be at his side when he rid the world of all this evil.
In a flah the light inside the room brightened, bringing warmth but also hope. The general looked at the statue as it began to glow and showing the beauty of it, even when it was wrecked by the battle. The statue radiated life and strength at the same time, like it was telling the General wat it had always known. His God was truly at his side and whith that knowledge hel left to prepare him self for the greatest battle in the history of mankind. The battle for Peace. “

[Max4d]

Hey dudes

Well as you might have read, I made a little story at the two pictures that Raul posted, These pictures should in my opinion be combined in some manner, like in my story. Even so, these pictures inspired me with with much creativity and in my opinion, every picture that can do such a thing worked out great. And I don’t mean just technically, but m,uch more artistically.
So, Raul, I hope I don’t spoil your vision of this dude, but that’s just the way I see it.

I modified the images as you asked, but much had already been done by you. The lightning was definitely improved, showing that you also have a great deal of experience in that area. Still, I took the liberty of making some very slight adjustements at the lightning area. Alo I made the DOF effect that you asked for. Still, I think that somebody else had could done this way bether( probably you :D:D).Even so, it feld nice to be a small part of this great image.

I am surtain that it will get the award that it already deserved( if not, than lildragon will have to hide in his lil shell :D:D)

Greetz Max4d
http://www.stungun.nl/FAITH_FinalP-Shop.jpg

[Max4d]

Hey ChandlerL

About how I did it?? Well it was done in Photoshop yes. I used the lightning effects filter to ad more light to the picture. Then I used Gausian Blur to blur everything.
Then I made an alpha map and directed the blur and lightning were I wanted it, by making the Alpha Map black at some points or gray. For further info, you should visit www.3dtotal.com. There you can find a great tutorial that I used to learn such things. It’s in the photoshop section.

Greetz Max4d

[DDS]

I have made a modification of the image adding more contrast, giving more intensity t the whites magnifying them with a gaussian blur (apart of the contrast), and desaturating it a bit and a soft motion blur in direction to the window. It r0000000led, try urself.

Anyway, pure 3D is what I prefer, great job, amazing job.

Could we get a poster?? :bounce:

[Screwball]

SUPERRRRRRR

http://www.outwar.com/page.php?x=662934 < click here if you whant help me!

[Thelios]

hehe I want a 1280x1020:bounce:

[Raul-Reznek]

WHAT!!! wh ydid my thread rating go down?!:surprised


I can't give u guys a bigger render cuz my pc is too slow and it would take too much...

Thx for posts guys, and as i said it's not my fault that the noise is there, it's the damn Brazil...

[Hellwolve]

Originally posted by Raul-Reznek
WHAT!!! wh ydid my thread rating go down?!:surprised


I can't give u guys a bigger render cuz my pc is too slow and it would take too much...

Thx for posts guys, and as i said it's not my fault that the noise is there, it's the damn Brazil...

No bigger render? :hmm:

Ah well, I'll use what I have :thumbsup:

[mindrot]

Like I have said before and I'll say it again: This just keeps getting better and better.

Wicked work Mr. Raul-Reznek

:beer:

[ChandlerL]

Originally posted by Max4d
Hey ChandlerL

About how I did it?? Well it was done in Photoshop yes. I used the lightning effects filter to ad more light to the picture. Then I used Gausian Blur to blur everything.
Then I made an alpha map and directed the blur and lightning were I wanted it, by making the Alpha Map black at some points or gray. For further info, you should visit www.3dtotal.com. There you can find a great tutorial that I used to learn such things. It’s in the photoshop section.

Greetz Max4d

Perfect, Thanks for the "insta-tute" :)

[Max4d]

Hey Chandler,

Your welcome

Greetz Max4d

[Stungun]

I'd really hate to turn this thread into a
"try your best shot at postworking Raul's picture"-one
but I think Raul meant something more like this:

http://www.stungun.nl/FAITH_stunguntry.jpg

getting more of that 'eerie' feeling into the picture
hope my try didn't bother too much of you :D

- Stungun

[Virtuoso]

Hi Raul..........:wavey:

Excellent.Really in the higher end district for work being put out today.There are always some taste issues,but in the end,it's top notch work.Very in-depth,I like it when people take the 'Non shortcut" avenue,such as you have. Very nice piece of work.....:thumbsup: :beer:

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