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Equinoxx
03-16-2003, 01:33 PM
i given it some thought and decided i'm entering this one.
time has come to shift gears and learn something else besides modeling :D
So this is my first time in the vfx challenge and i am enjoying myself sofar . . .

got my backplate and concept ready,
so here goes.
the backplate is made using several images to give it some more juice ;)
The hole is part of Henrik Holmbergs 'The Dig' and was the best hole I could find on the net :shrug:
I asked him if I could use it. awaiting his reply . . . and just got word i can use it whoohoooo. thx Seung Ho Henrik

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/originals.jpg
http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/backplate.jpg
http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/backplate_concept.jpg

magicm
03-16-2003, 01:45 PM
the paintrain is comin!! wohooooooo!!

nice to see you in the vfx challenge for a change! good luck to you ;)

SheepFactory
03-16-2003, 05:20 PM
wow , man you are multitalented!!

looking forward to see how this develops :thumbsup:

leigh
03-16-2003, 08:31 PM
WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :xtreme:

This one sure is coming along nicely since yesterday! I love the hole in the ground ;) Perhaps you could have some antennae coming out of there?
It would be cool to do a night time scene of this as well, and add some lighting coming out of that hole, if you have the time :D

Well, looking forward to seeing more! Are you going to be keeping all of those other buildings there? (the ones that were in the photo) Or are you going to remove some of them?

Secret message:
I won't tell anyone where you got the pic of the hole from ;-) hehehehe

Prisoner
03-16-2003, 08:39 PM
:twisted:Mwaahahahah:twisted:
I know your little hole secret.:beer:

Hugh
03-16-2003, 10:53 PM
You've got a nasty seam on the grass around the hole....

I've circled the bit that struck me here:

http://www.brokenpipefilms.com/cgchallenge/equinoxx_grass.jpg

lildragon
03-17-2003, 01:24 AM
Wow Yves that's looking great man, love the seamless integration you got going on! :thumbsup:

Looking very good

salud

Equinoxx
03-17-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Hugh
You've got a nasty seam on the grass around the hole....

actually, that's not a seam, its part of some path that was on the grass image. but thanx for bringing it to my attention. I'll fix it ;)

Prisoner. i ain't got no secrets :D

Leigh, yeah i think i'll keep those original buildings. they've grown on me while painting :D

tito, thx :beer:

rolhionjs
03-17-2003, 11:49 AM
gosh.... !! My friend, you're taking THE idea ! really cool work ! Know what : it gives me the envy to do this kinda things too ! :) I know nothing about those techniques but i really want to get into this ! :)

Keep going ! keep going !! :beer:

Mangled Poly
03-17-2003, 06:01 PM
thats cool work maybe more people should have thought of eding multiple bgs to one nice one

Equinoxx
03-17-2003, 06:27 PM
thx for the support my friends. I will post an update tonite :D

KingMob
03-17-2003, 06:29 PM
hey cool, how did I miss this..hiding your plans from me I see?

:rolleyes:

great stuff, I agree about the grass that was circled...man Im gonna have to bust @$$ to catch up.

now lets see some threee deeee!

Equinoxx
03-17-2003, 06:29 PM
patience is a virtue :rolleyes:

:zepedro:
03-17-2003, 08:15 PM
I like the idea of enhancing the image with elements of other ones, such as i tried in mine, in this challenge the backplate is 50% of the final result IMO. The design of the outpost is great. You have to pay attention to the scale of the outpost regarding the man made buildings, i donīt know the size of your aliens.;)
If you donīt mind i uploaded a picture of two suggestions for your image: IMO The bright spot doesnīt belong anymore to the cliff and the "green mesa" should continue to the ground, the hole is too big for the height of it.

Good work and keep posting.


:zepedro:
My thread on Outpost - VFX Challenge (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50180)

Equinoxx
03-17-2003, 08:49 PM
good suggestions. I allready figured i should make the cliff go offscreen cause indeed, the hole is to deep for such a 'thin' slab of rock. I think i'm gonna keep the bright hole tho. perhaps i'm gonna make something come out of that ;)

Equinoxx
03-17-2003, 10:44 PM
did a little test with cameramapping. this stuff is fun :D
got lots of stuff to work on, but I think this'll be the path i'm taking :D

Download CamMap Test 1.52mb Sorenson 3 (http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/cammapped.mov)

CobraX
03-17-2003, 11:22 PM
WAAAAA :D Niiiiice !!!! This Camera Mapping stuff kick Major Butts!

It RocKs quinoxx!!! :buttrock:

:) Show me the rest!!

Take it off!.....eeehhhhh....nah...just show us your progresss

Getting a lil overexcited here!

:p

Mangled Poly
03-18-2003, 01:34 AM
Wow really nice panning good work!

:zepedro:
03-18-2003, 01:37 AM
Nice camera move, very convincing stuff with all those layers.

:zepedro:
My thread on Outpost - VFX Challenge (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50180)

lildragon
03-18-2003, 03:28 AM
Yeah that's really slick man, didn't know you could do that with photos ;) digging the progress keep going

salud

CobraX
03-18-2003, 02:04 PM
Hey equinoxx!!! :)

I have a question, what is the use of the green color in the background?

ANd is there a tutorial to know all the steps to get the quality you achieved so as many others on the challenge with the camera mapping?


Thanx :D

Iguiniz.X.
03-18-2003, 02:32 PM
Looks really promsing,
Good luck:wip:

Equinoxx
03-18-2003, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by CobraX
what is the use of the green color in the background?

ANd is there a tutorial to know all the steps to get the quality you achieved so as many others on the challenge with the camera mapping?

Thanx :D

not sure what you mean with the green color in the background, but if you're refering to the darker patch, there is no use, it's just a darker patch ;)

as for a tutorial on quality mapping, it's so easy that eventho it is my 1st time ever doing this, i did not need a tutorial.

there are only a few things you need to keep in mind when setting it up.
- make sure the you match the camera you're going to use for cameramapping as close as possible to the perspective of the image.
- Model geometry stand-ins as accurate as possible for use with camera mapping.
- don't overdo the movement in the camera you are going to animate.

that's about it. I'm sure your software of choise has a piece about camera mapping in the helpfiles. can't imagine it's hard to setup.

In max, you select the geo-standin, apply a cameramap modifier, pick the matched camera and apply the backplate. that's all there's to it basically.

Iquiniz: thx :D

Cheers.

CobraX
03-18-2003, 02:53 PM
i am talking about all your background in the sorenson you produced...why is it all green, background, it's a vrey bright GReen, fluorescent.

Is there a reason that my novice brain wouldn't know :P :)

Equinoxx
03-18-2003, 03:09 PM
ah THAT green hehe

no there's no real reason for that either. it just looked cool. normally, the rest of the background would be there, but i haven't set that up for cammapping, so it would only destract cause it woon't move ;)

derelict
03-19-2003, 07:48 AM
all the best man!

Virtuoso
03-19-2003, 09:56 AM
Henrik Holmbergs 'The Dig' ...............Excellent choice,really a choice pick.I like the path you are on Equinoxx,it looks quite promising.Seamless thus far too,always important......;)

Looks to be like this will be fun to watch progress,and you are well on your way,good luck and keep up the good work.:thumbsup: :beer:

nibo
03-22-2003, 12:00 AM
Come on, show us your kickass-update!

hehe :airguitar

KingMob
03-22-2003, 12:33 AM
you are slacking in showing us things man...I KNOW you are slacking...


:twisted:

Equinoxx
03-22-2003, 01:15 AM
ah finally an update.

i completely remade a new backplate to give me some more workingspace, so here is the new backplate, accompanied by a 3d camera mapped animationpreviz.

Still need to fill in the leftside of the backplate and ofcourse add mode structures.

C&C welcome :D

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/vfx_outpost_backplate.jpg

Animation Here (http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/vfx_outpost_previz01.mov)

Mangled Poly
03-22-2003, 10:07 AM
Like it alot :)

verti
03-22-2003, 10:17 AM
like it a lot...

am big fan of u, Equinoxx...

hope to some more updates soon...

v.

Equinoxx
03-23-2003, 10:08 PM
time for another update :D

finished most of the cameramapping except the lowerright foreground.
I think i will complety change the structures, cause i don't think they have enough 'size-impact'

still having a blast :cool:

VFX Outpost Previz 03 (http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/vfx_outpost_previz03.mov)

Viper.dk
03-23-2003, 10:40 PM
Looks awfully rad, Equinoxx :buttrock: :buttrock: :buttrock:
Dig the new backplate a lot more than the old one.

Mickey
03-24-2003, 04:48 AM
That's lookin really awesome man, keep it up!

:buttrock:

ChristophZollinger
03-24-2003, 08:48 AM
A very smooth cam move, I like it.
Also the movement of the vessels, it fits good into the scene.

DimitrisLiatsos
03-26-2003, 10:35 PM
:bounce: :wavey: hi Equinoxx ...really good work on backplate , i am looking forward to your next updates:beer:

Equinoxx
03-27-2003, 11:36 PM
again, thank you for the kind words. really keeps me going :D

here's another updated. started laying out the structures and tweaked the backplate a little which is now final.
still need to add lots of stuff, do a good lighting add details and textures and so on and so forth

VFX Outpost Previz 05 (http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/vfx_outpost_previz05.mov)

KingMob
03-28-2003, 02:20 AM
looks really great man!

I told you allthat already


so...texture it!

Nomolos
03-28-2003, 09:02 AM
Nice work bro! :buttrock:

Got some ideas for you. Will mention them one of these days. Keep on the good work. You make your big bro (smaller in size though) proud :thumbsup:

Hellwolve
03-28-2003, 09:05 AM
Looks good, Equinoxx. My only question is: what's the white in the background? Is it snow? If so, it seems a bit odd to me that the snow goes to the bottom of the picture, into the forest...

azazel
03-28-2003, 09:35 AM
Don't forget to animate this waterfall and river in background, Equinoxx ;)

Equinoxx
03-28-2003, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by azazel
Don't forget to animate this waterfall and river in background

actually, it's not a waterfall . . . it's a slab of bare rock.
BUT i was thinking of making it into a waterfall, since it
looks like one anyhoo . ..

still got some surprises in store, so no worries.
All will be well in the land of good and evil :D

azazel
03-28-2003, 11:51 AM
it still looks like waterfall to me ;) That wos first impression ;)

Equinoxx
03-29-2003, 09:47 PM
and another update, did some more work on the structures and added some slight detail to the cruiser . . .

more to come :D

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/vfx_outpost_preview_01.jpg
http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/cruiser_looksee.jpg

azazel
03-29-2003, 11:08 PM
Dunno why the cruiser reminds me one of the Dusso's paintings....

Nice touch with these characters.... will they be animated?:bounce:

Equinoxx
03-29-2003, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by azazel
Dunno why the cruiser reminds me one of the Dusso's paintings....

that would be possible, since the design is loosely based on
one of his paintings :)

and no, i don't think the lil chums will be animated
got lots of stuff to do still and you wouldn't notice it anyway :)

Magnusv
03-29-2003, 11:43 PM
Just loosely based :p ;)

http://www.dusso.com/images/pg01/PG09.JPG

Well there is no where better to get inspiration than Dusso in my book.
The composition is looking quite interesting. I do think you should make a waterfall instead of a Rock slab as well. Lot's of potential,nice start.:beer:

Equinoxx
03-30-2003, 12:26 AM
loosely based yeah . . .

cause i started the rough form of the cruiser before i recalled dusso's cruiser.

but, credit where credit is due, dusso concepted an ACE cruiser ;)

btw, i edited your message so that there's a link instead of a picture, so people don't mistake that image for mine . . .
and so dusso.com doesn't get unnessecary bandwidth leakage ;)

glad ya like it :) waterfall it is ;)

azazel
03-30-2003, 08:03 AM
dusso concepted an ACE cruiser

amen to that ;) Dusso.com is one of my favourite "inspiration sites", I can stare at these paintins and always find something new ;) As Magnusv said, no better place...;)

Mangled Poly
03-31-2003, 06:04 PM
awsome update put a nice reflection on that dome looking ace!

BlueCougar
03-31-2003, 06:19 PM
Awesome, I like the look of it.

Virtuoso
04-01-2003, 11:15 PM
Henrik Holmbergs 'The Dig' is getting real justice here.Wonderful start and great potential.Very interesting Equinoxx. Keep up the fine work,it's all well worth the effort,oh and have fun too. ;) :thumbsup: :beer:

dark_lotus
04-04-2003, 08:46 AM
Looking great there Equinoxx!! This is coming along really nicely.

Looking forward to more!!!:thumbsup:

Equinoxx
04-06-2003, 03:11 PM
thx all, thx :D

small update, started some texturing and integrating of the structures. Lighting needs some tweaks and still haven't gotten round to the stream & waterfall. all in due time tho ;)

anyhoo, on with the show
C&C as always very welcome.

http://www.cgchallenge.com/entries/65/33_large.jpg

KotsVlok
04-07-2003, 06:38 AM
Waaaaaaa i love it! :bounce:

offtopic: K wis nie da mensen uit Rotterdam zo goe waren joh :D
Welke omgeving woon je als ik vragen mag? :scream:

Vash T Stampede
04-07-2003, 12:29 PM
Siiiiiiiick, It's getting better and better, :airguitar I am really looking forward to the final version..

One thing BTW, KNock on the window behind you...:D

kmrsic
04-09-2003, 12:02 PM
Very nice going. Can you maybe post a screen grab of your geometry laid out so peps can see the detail level of your match.
Thanx.

Keep doing what your doing!


:beer:

Equinoxx
04-09-2003, 03:29 PM
yeah sure man, no problem . . .

will post one tonite. am at work right now with no access to the file.

cheers

Equinoxx
04-09-2003, 10:34 PM
well, here's the wire and a preview of the animated river, make use of particles :D

cheers

Water Test Animation (http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/watertest.mov)

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/wire_overlay.jpg

Iguiniz.X.
04-09-2003, 11:07 PM
It is really kicking ass, guess I was right when I thought it looked promosing:thumbsup:,
Keep it up.

P.S.
There are some parts were the river comes out were is doesn't suposed to be coming over ther grass.
It is the part that is just before the corner the water comes from and in tthe inside of the corner that comes next.

Doei:wavey:

capsulegraphics
04-11-2003, 09:05 PM
hey, took a look at your water test. The water looks awesome, but it seems to be moving way too fast for the distance away it is from the camera. I believe from that distance it would appear to be barely moving.:D

dark_lotus
04-12-2003, 12:06 AM
Thats coming along really nicely there Equi!

The Test looks awesome!

marvin042
04-18-2003, 02:19 PM
Equinoxx,

I like what you've done with the place. It's coming along very nicely. I don't know how bad of a question this is because I haven't read the entire thread before asking this. It's just five pages is a little long and I'm just wondering what app you're using.

marvin

Equinoxx
04-18-2003, 02:25 PM
Iguiniz, thx for pointing that out, but i allready knew ;) it's just a test remember.
Also, i realised that indeed the stream goes way to fast for the distance it's being seen from. fixed that ;)

thx for the ncie comments my friends :D

and to answer your question, Marvin, the app i'm using is 3dsmax

Breinmeester
04-19-2003, 10:21 AM
...and using it amazingly well! Did you do the water with a material?

Very cool, this one! I will be watching your progress on the piece!:)

Equinoxx
04-19-2003, 01:16 PM
the water is done using standard max particles.

Equinoxx' 5-step Recipy for particle based river:

- create one blizzard particle system
- create one pathfollow spacewarp
- bind the blizzard to the spacewarp
- tweak the settings for speed and amount of paricles
- enable motionblur on the particles.

voila . . . ;)

Breinmeester
04-19-2003, 02:06 PM
Never used that PathFollow Spacewarp before. That's a cool trick!:D

nibo
04-22-2003, 03:47 PM
The cam-projection is tha bomb bro!
(......MAAR.....)

Better check your 4th step in the "Equinoxx' 5-step Recipy for particle based rivers"......

The speed is incredible!! ;)
Yeah, yeah , it's just a test....
I know!

But some real comments for ya:
- ADD SOME FRIGGIN DETAIL IN THE STRUCTURES!
These structures are too simple to be labeled as certified Equi-stuff :shame:

So no sleep for you this week!!!
:deal:

Vash T Stampede
04-22-2003, 08:29 PM
I'ts coming along Excellent :thumbsup:

But as I Have said before....You really need some birds in there, just like in the overviews of Cities in LOTR/GLADIATOR/STARWARS Etc etc... You know what I mean..

I would really add to the sense of scale.
:eek:

Keep it up!
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Nomolos
04-23-2003, 09:38 AM
I have 2 agree with Nibo on this Equi :rolleyes:

I'll look after your girlfriend for you :wavey:


Details and show your painting-skills will ya? :buttrock:

magicm
04-24-2003, 11:22 PM
equinoxx, stop wasting time on splintercell and msn, and get this baby finished! :wip:

;)

Equinoxx
04-29-2003, 08:20 PM
well then, this is it, final composite and breakdown :)

could've done a better job to be honest, but am quote happy with the result none-theless

FINAL ENTRY VFX OUTPOST (http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/vfx_challenge_short.mov)

http://equinoxx.cgcommunity.com/challenges/vfx_outpost/breakdown.jpg

rolhionjs
04-29-2003, 09:09 PM
That's really a fantastic work you did ! Really awesome... Music adds alot of atmosphere, and your technique is really fabulous ! I like your entry alot my friend ! Got my vote ! :) :beer: :applause:

Virtuoso
04-29-2003, 10:05 PM
Excellent effort Equinoxx........A VFX entry such as this is very inspiring. You have done the "DIG" justice.:thumbsup: :beer:

Equinoxx
04-30-2003, 09:15 AM
glad you guys like it.

the music is copyrighted by our inhouse musicman Martijn de Man . . . credits where credits are due ;)

azazel
04-30-2003, 09:29 AM
Looks great, and music really enchances the atmosphere... hehe now I regret there's no music in our entry ;)

Vash T Stampede
05-01-2003, 12:33 PM
Word can't tell....What images can!!!
http://members.lycos.nl/shakunetsuhadoken/Gifs/lilith-sign-Vashlike.gif
http://members.lycos.nl/shakunetsuhadoken/Gifs/morrigan-cute-pock.gif



Birds!yaaaay!

Raul-Reznek
05-02-2003, 08:26 PM
way to go man!

rquinn
05-09-2003, 09:58 PM
You would have gotten my vote for sure

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