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bonesy
05-24-2007, 08:14 AM
Hello, me and two friends are going to be recreating a part of the Hoth battle sequence from Empire Strikes Back. Each one of us will be doing one model:
Matt: Snowspeeder (maya)
Dave: AT-AT (blender)
Tim: AT-ST (maya)

We were planning on doing a full scale battle scene, but as Roberto is I guess looking more for the toyish type scene (not sure the wording there, but with the models attached to something according to the example pictures), the scene will be changed to be:


AT-AT crushing the snowspeeder, with an AT-ST firing off screen, and if time allows, Luke attached to the AT-AT on his way up to destroy it

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Here is a rough (and I emphasize rough haha) sketch of the plan:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/sw.jpg
I'll try and paint up a better looking concept when I get some time.

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And good luck to everybody else!

bonesy
05-24-2007, 09:43 AM
Here are some reference photos I will be using:

http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss00.GIF
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss01.jpg
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss02.jpg
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss03.gif
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss04.jpg
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss05.jpg
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss06.jpg
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss07.jpg
http://www.mattkelliher.com/hoth/snowspeeder/refs/ss08.jpg

bonesy
05-24-2007, 07:14 PM
This is a little under an hour into it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/snowspeeder_01.jpg

bonesy
05-25-2007, 06:29 AM
Dave's AT-AT, at around 2 hours into it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/at_at_01.jpg

and

Tim's AT-ST, at around an hour into it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/at_st_01.jpg

robo3687
05-25-2007, 06:46 AM
i know its still early stages but i have some crits

snowspeeder
- the wings appear to be on too much of an angle or they come down too far. They're not as exaggerated as that in the ref pics

AT-ST
- obviously still very early on in the piece but i can see some scaling and shape issues going on with the body and leg

AT-AT
- head is too big and the mesh is messy and quite innacurate
- body is proportioned inccorectly and looks to have some mesh issues also
- the 'neck' appears to be sqaure when it is actually round

i think overall you need to get alot and alot of references, preferably good sets of blueprints and as many shots of the original studio models and other model kits as you can find....i'm up to about 160 pics for mine (the falcon) so far and i'm still looking for more.

I'm probably going to prove to be every entrants worst nightmare on this challenge...lol...I'm a stickler for Star Wars detail, it is my oxygen at times....but I do it in the name of being constructive.....lol...so if you have any questions ask away.

bonesy
05-25-2007, 07:17 AM
haha not a prob, you can count all of the models that all three of us have ever done combined on both hands, so criticisms will be great and definitely taken from you given the awesome job you've done so far on the falcon, i know they have a snowspeeder at toys r us so i'm going to pick one of those up to help tomorrow hopefully, thanks again for the crits, i'll make sure to let them know as well

EDIT:
instead of making a new post i'm just going to edit this one and say i picked up the snowspeeder, and wow, the blueprints i was using are horrid, i'm going to have to take some pictures of this and use them instead

so if anybody else is doing a snowspeeder and needs high quality pics of specific areas, let me know

Nymbrixion
05-26-2007, 03:30 AM
I think I know why the Blueprint might not have been so great. Being that I just got done modeling 6 ships, all of which off the same type of Blueprint you have above, there is some issue with the size of the front view verses the side and top.

The pictures don't line up to well together. I ended up taking the blueprints for the ships that I am modeling next into photoshop and correctly lining them up to help with the issues.

However, I knew someone was going to do the hoth scene, but nevertheless I a glad someone did. Probably my favorite large scale battle in the starwars Movies.

Are you going to be modeling the rebel soldiers as well, or just the vehicles?

bonesy
05-26-2007, 09:27 AM
@Nymbrixion:
We were originally going to try and do as much of the battle as possible, but when Roberto posted the examples of what he was sort of looking for, the idea changed to be much more focused. And honestly, if we had attempted the entire scale of the battle from the get go, it probably would've looked horrible haha. If I can hurry with this snowspeeder and crank out a model of Luke, there is always the possibility that we can change the clothing style and have time to do an extra version with tons of models though...

Here is another update from Dave, I'll try and make sure this will be the last cellphone shot (I know it sounds simple, but I think he may not know how to render well yet :shrug: )
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/at_at_02.jpg

I spent my free time today grabbing the snowspeeder, so I'll make sure and put in some time tomorrow before work and have an update on my model. I'll try and get an update on the AT-ST by then as well.

psebesta
05-26-2007, 04:07 PM
hoth battle is great scene. one of my favorite battles everything is looking great would love to see some wires of the models good luck

bonesy
05-26-2007, 10:36 PM
Alright now I'm going to be late for work, but it's hard to snap out once you're in the zone. Here is another hour and a half into the model, it's looking so much better now that I've scrapped the blueprints.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/snowspeeder_02.jpg

bonesy
05-27-2007, 09:34 AM
Here is another hour into it, not counting a half hour I spent trying to get the extrude to work right on the windows. For the windows I extrude and then scale down etc, but when I do that on the side ones, it changes the geometry from flat to not quite so flat, and it drives me insane. Does anybody have and tips on how to keep it flat?

For this update I made the cannon barrels and overall body thickness slightly thinner, along with blocking in the middle part of the cannons and throwing in a couple of windows.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/snowspeeder_03.jpg

bonesy
05-30-2007, 09:03 AM
Sorry for the lack of updates, on my end at least I have about 4 other projects going on at the same time, excuses excuses, but for this update I tried to just roughly mess with the proportions to get them more like the pictures rather than the toy.

So far I think I just need to lower the height of the cockpit a bit, but does anybody have any other suggestions as for as proportioning before I get into the detailing?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/netchoo/snowspeeder_03a.jpg

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