Playstation 3 to ship by the end of the year!!!!!!

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

That's from a known unreliable source.

If the PS3 comes out one second before 2005 I'll seriouslly quit playing videogames, PS2 is still sparkling new.

[Vivalamosa]

Yea, I would be down right pissed because I just got one of those.

[gabe28]

haha! Well, this is exactly what PC gamers go through all the time. Everytime I upgrade my processor or video card it's instantly obsolete. I don't think this is a good business model for consoles though.

Which leads me to this ponderous though.... PC games have many video settings to accomodate all the different hardware configurations out there.... I wonder if Playstation games will start coming out with modes for both the Playstation 2 and the Playstation 3? I mean, if the Playstation 3 really does come out this year, game developers will pretty much be forced to support both platforms. I bet that pisses developers off.

Anyway, it really doesn't matter to me since I don't buy consoles (not until I own a HDTV).

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

You know, ever since the 16-bit era it seems like everyone is in a hurry to announce the next generation, but when it all comes down to it the consoles seem to average about 5 years. Absolute earliest you'll see a PS3 will be fall 2004, and that's highly unlikely.

[eliseu gouveia]

The best thing about the first PS was watching developpers milking the console to its last ounce of power.

If they stick to this strategy for the PS2, I´d say it´ll last at least a couple more years - the PS2 still has a lot to show-;

which is a nice thought;

I often prefer console games to PC games because I know that whatever game I buy at the store, it WILL run on my console.

[wedge]

sony has already denied this.

[heavyness]

eliseu gouveia - i know what you mean. look at MGS and one of the original launch games for the PSX…

well i wouldn't put anything past Sony for getting the system out ASAP. with MS putting the heat on and having tons of money, Sony needs to stay ahead of the Xbox at all times.

while Sony said this is not true, this may be early "Cell" technology i've read about. Sony said there products will have these "Cell" chips in other hardware like TVs, DVD players and more. making it possible for you to hook up all your Sony devices to help power the PS3. don't know if this will happen, but it's something to think about...

"ah! stop making toast, your laggin' my game!"

[bentllama]

bull carp.

[kwshipman]

Originally posted by kole
while Sony said this is not true, this may be early "Cell" technology i've read about. Sony said there products will have these "Cell" chips in other hardware like TVs, DVD players and more. making it possible for you to hook up all your Sony devices to help power the PS3. don't know if this will happen, but it's something to think about...

"ah! stop making toast, your laggin' my game!"

This could not be further from the truth. I mean think about it, sony doesnt even make toasters:D

[samartin]

gotta be utter bullsh!t... Japan could see a mid-year release (hmmm is it not stated the chip is still in production which handles the GFX and sound over the internet)... I don't think SONY would wanna release another bug infested console would THEY ??? How could developers code for such a console if the technology ain't there yet ???

I have only just bought my PS2 recently so I wouldn't be too happy but then I do have a couple of awesome games to keep me going for a good while...

[dmonk]

I just got a ps2 3 weeks ago. I'm sure this is a rumor.:annoyed:

[zen]

as much as i disagree sony will release that early, i am still able to see why they migh release earlier than planned.

When PS2 came out, what was its competition? Dreamcast and N64. So it blew them away easy.
But then soon came XBox and GameCube, both of which (sorry to you ps2 fanatics..) kicks ps2's ass. The ps2 wasnt designed to compete with new-gen consoles like this, just to compete with old-gen technology.
So sony finds itself now at a disadvantage. And i could see them eager to take back the top-performing console title.
But im sure they know they will lose quite a bit of customers if they release another overpriced console so soon.

This reminds me of when discreet released combustion. Alot of companies got very angry because they had invested in expensive SGI octane systems with expensive Flint* software and here comes this 2k$ (v.1) software that runs on a pc and does the same or better.

[Crazzy Legs]

Just not ganna happen.....ah...who knows. Probobly not though.

[NanoGator]

It's not happenin. Heh.

[Signal2Noise]

Whatever Sony will do still doesn't compare with what Gates & Co. will put out. XBox rules!!!!!:p

(PC is still best, tho')

[MosaFacku]

this is bs.

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

Zen, that doesn't matter because there are MANY more PS2 owners than Gamecube or Xbox, so the developers want to make their games for PS2. And since all the best games are on PS2 anyone who's thinking of a console purchase will buy the PS2.

Also, even though Gamecube and Xbox are technically superior to the PS2 that doesn't guarantee better looking games. Need For Speed 2 is much better on the PS2 than Xbox or Gamecube because more time and money was spent on that version.

If Sony released the PS3 now they'd be jeapordizing their early lead.

[The Magic Pen]

I know for a fact that there isn't ANY games being developed for the system yet soooo .. :rolleyes:

[The Cross]

I think the only way Sony could possibly have a successful launch of a new Playstation in 2004, is if it came out with a load of games that made your head feel like it's shrinking. Like what Nintendo did for their SNES. ( Of coarse we all know only Nintendo can do that )

Aside from that, i think Sony should also worry about they way Nintendo is litterally taking back what they are popular for. Roumor has it Nintendo is going to put quiet a load into it's next generation consol.

It's too soon for another consol to be realeased business wise.
If Sony reported/or statred this rumor of an early release, then they were probably trying to soften up their competitors efforts, or trigger them off or something in that manner.

[Crazzy Legs]

buy Sony stock today....sell sony stock the day after tomarrow (after rumer gets dispelled).

[Kralle]

I think its a bad idea releasing it before 2005.
Even if its finished, they should find ways to improve it so you wont get the annoying "disc reading error" or start making games for it, so itll come out witha bunchnof great games/software.
They should also find ways to lower the prices because 500$ spending again... i wont get it until 2006 unless i have a job.

[Goon]

whaaat? Crazy Legs you make no sense.
Buy when rumor has been released, sell when it is gone.
Does this not mean you buy high and sell low?
if you were doing the type of speculation were you bet they were going to have a stock drop it would be fine, but how you would earn money by doing that has me puzzled.

[ambient-whisper]

if they rush ps3 im not buying it.

the ps2 was soo freakin rushed its not funny.

remember all those incidents in japan ? controllers not working..memory cards screwing up...dvd players not working properly and just dying after a short time..etc.etc.etc.

well. my ps2 died ( well, the rom drive did ) just a few weeks ago.. it actually started breaking down a week after i bought it..
first it started getting a bit louder while loading.( just a bit )
then some of my games didnt work.. i had to set it to vertical to get some games to work..but horizontally for others..its stupid..
then it became a pain in the butt to read dvds on teh whole..sometimes it would work..sometimes not..

and finally it wouldnt read any cd-dvd media.

and man that pissed me off. because all sony rom drives stink...they always did. ive had several of their rom drives. ranging from portable cd players cd-r drives. now a ps2..and ive never had luck with them

panasonic seems to be doing a MUCH better job in that area.

i think ill get a gamecube next.

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

That sucks ambient, but I think that's inevitable even if the PS3 isn't rushed, problems like yours have been around since the PS1. I think Sony's manufacturing is just shoddy by design.

I'm a little worried about my PS2 now. Ever since I got Vice City games take forever to load. Before it'd go straight from the PS2 logo to the game, but now it pauses at the setup screen before booting... :thumbsdow

[The Cross]

I filed warranty last year on my first PS2 which i had purchased on the release date. It was a little after Gran Torismo 3 my PS2 started to play games whenever it feil like it.

Then again, It's performance could have been due to how i left the system on day after day like a computer tower. Not sure if i seen this, But i heard the PS2 requiers some good rest after long usage.

I'm not worried about my PS2 failing me anymore cause i know it's not the same as the first generation PS2's.

[Crazzy Legs]

your absolutly correct, I didn't make sense. Good thing I didn't have a number of a stock broker on me at the time of writing that.

[Sieb]

I dont know, the Xbox seems kinda lame next to my PS2.. I get better graphics on my PC than both of them, which is kind of a letdown on the Xbox side since its the same hardware. I think the PS2 still has alot left in it that it hasn't gotten to show off yet. The opening to MGS2 is still one of the most spectacular openings I have seen, thats rendered in real time.. The Emotion Engine is rather complex and I think most developers just don't feel like spending the time going in depth with it, still... I think the only drawback to the PS2 is its shared memory. Video, sound, cpu all use the same 32 megs.. IIRC...

I have seen the Xbox lag and stutter (and I have locked it up countless times), I have only managed to lockup the PS2 once and never saw it stutter..

I am still rooting for the PS2. PS3? ha.. right.. still a few years off..

[MosaFacku]

the only thing that i can't wait to see on ps2 is jak and daxter 2....a friend that went to gdc said rubin from naughty dog stated that jak and daxter are 12k polys. i dunno if thats together or each. either way, thats a boatload of polys for the ps2 to crunch......especially if they stick with the massive environments and no load times of the first jak and daxter.....other than that game, i'd rather play xbox games. i used to be a naysayer....but when it comes down to it, microsoft put out a damn good machine. one that tops a ps2. now, games for both systems are good, but it is a plain cold fact that the game art can look far superior on xbox than ps2.....and as far as ps3 goes, there aren't any dev stations around my office yet....

[HapZungLam]

i only believe news that comes from either sony itself, or ign and gamespot.

[smellovision]

It won't come out until 2005

[Darkchild]

The chip is still in the design process so there's no way it can be released this year.

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

Heh, IGN and Gamespot aren't exactly the epitome of accurate journalism either.

[Signal2Noise]

Daily Radar was the best in their time. Long Live Daily Radar!

I miss those guys.

It wasn't too long ago I was watching an episode of that Drew Carey improv show (I forget the name now) and one of the audience participants turned out to be one of the lead writers and founders of DR. I thought that was cool. It was around the time DR went off-line.

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

...Daily Radar was horrible. But I don't want to get into an argument, so I'll just leave it at that. :p

[dark_lotus]

Well, lets say that Sony comes out with the playstation 3 this year. (ok just work with me peoples).

Think how that would almost completely obliterate gamecube and xbox sales.

Completely obliterate.

[bentllama]

Originally posted by dark_lotus
Think how that would almost completely obliterate gamecube and xbox sales.

nope.

halo 2 and doom 3 on xbox...

fable...sudeki...

etc etc

[Mattrne]

if you are looking at sales figures, ps2 sales are in most cases at least double that of xbox and gamecube anyway. Fact.

[Dargon]

Not only is PS2 still vastly over selling Xbox and gamecube combined, but so is PS1.

If you were a developer, which would you choose - a probable 5 million gross income from Xbox or Gamecube, or closer to 20 million on PS2?

If you want rumours tho, it's been rumoured that Microsoft is thinking about pulling the Xbox, as it costs more to produce than it makes in profits. To further this, NVidia is in massive financial trouble because they priced the chip for the Xbox figuring on far higher sales.

Gamecube is really starting to look interesting, tho...

[kwshipman]

Originally posted by Dargon
If you want rumours tho, it's been rumoured that Microsoft is thinking about pulling the Xbox, as it costs more to produce than it makes in profits.

This is the case with most all machines. They sell them at a loss and make up the difference with game sales, nothing new here. I had heard at one point that there were not breaking even when they were priced at 300. but same goes with sony, they sell the PS2 and PS1 at a loss just so they can make more money with games.:shrug:

[fleedawg]

While I don't think that the PS3 would obliterate it's opponents if it were to come out this year, I think it would do fairly well. The Gamecube and XBox have yet to impress me with their games. GC obviously has the best first party support, but beyond that, there isn't a whole lot out there. XBox has very little first party support, and has some decent games, but still not enough to merit a purchase from me. And just for the record, I primarily play RPGs, so most of this opinion is based on that. Personally, I think it's a travesty that there aren't more RPGs on the XBox. There is Shenmue II and Morrowind (which I don't count since it's just a poor PC port). And as Bentllama said, Sudeki and Fable are coming, but they are slated to be released at the end of this year and the beginning of next respectively, and those dates will probably be pushed back, for Fable DEFINITELY. I WANT an XBox just because of the sheer processing power, but it's not worth it right now. And yes, good things can come from the PS2, like Xenosaga. It has beautiful graphics and the game itself is wonderful.

[heavyness]

i don't buy systems' for the their specs. i buy them for the games.

i picked up my GC when Eternal Darkenss came out [and with Mario right around the corner] and i bought the PS2 for Tekken Tag. i don't mind having the slower system, as long as i have my favorite games. i was days away from buying an XBOX for Splinter Cel and Unreal Championship, but then found out Splinter Cel was coming to PC, so i just ungraded my video card for cheaper and bought the two games for PC.

i couldn't tell you how many polys each machine handles and i simply don't care.

and as for system bashing, it's pointless. everyone loves different games and different styles, and each system have their own games and stlyes. saying one system is better is just your personal view, stats and sales figures shouldn't care. i still play my SNES...

[ilka]

hahahahahaha,

did anyone believe this?

[Tommi]

No I don't believe the article. There is also something odd - everything I read about the "Cell" was about a collaboration project between Sony and IBM, using technology based on "Deep Blue" - is that true? This isn't mentioned in this article :shrug:

And erm... Really... I also absolutely do not care how powerful the machine is. It's the gameplay that counts. A year ago I still enjoyed playing Super Mario Kart, because it is a fun game and there are so many memories I have :love: :drool: :D

[Revelation 23]

One thing I didn't see anyone mention was the fact that the PS2 is backwards compatible with almost all of the Playstation titles. Having two complete game libraries to work with is quite an advantage. It can use old controllers and some of the accessories (maybe all) and uses PSX memory cards - since PSX games use defined chunks of the memory card instead of taking the space it needs on PS2 card.

Sure, the GameCube and the XBox may be technically superior than the PS2, but the PS2 has better in-home saturation and more software for it. Plus you don't have to buy anything extra to play DVD's and it doesn't run PS2/PSX titles only on it. It plays DVDs and CD's as well, as I imagine VCD's work fine as well.

The PS3 may be in the planning stages, but we won't see one for awhile. The only new consoles we may see from Sony would be a Net Yaroze 2 (no idea if they're going to make one or not, haven't bothered to look) and maybe a PS Two near the end of the 4th Gen run, just as the PS One was released before the PS2's launch.

All I have to add is this: when the PS3 launches, Sony better have enough to go around. And to anyone working on a 5th gen console - Don't release them within a week of another!

[Tommi]

They are not going to make a Net Yaroze 2 console, because Sony developed and released the PS2 linux kit, that's more than you can dream of as a mortal being and way better than Net Yaroze. The Linux Kit includes a network adaptor, a keyboard, mouse, a video cable, a hard drive and Linux for PS2 of course.

As far as I know, VCDs are only playable with some tricks. I couldn't play any on my PS2, yet. I'm pretty sure that you need to modify your console with one oft these illegal chips for that... :hmm:

[Revelation 23]

Didn't know about the Linux kit. Thanks for the heads up.

As for VCD, if you can use the PSX accessory that allowed for playing them on the gray PSX (in Japan the white one had built in VCD support), you would probably be able to play them on your PS2. Most DVD players should be able to handle the VCD format (DVD is just the better version of VCD). But then again, Sony's drives aren't exactly the top notch standard they once were.

[Tommi]

I think the problem is somehow related to digital rights management and some protection codes the hardware expects. VCDs only make sense by means of self-burnt CDs, I think... already tried that... does not work :annoyed:

By the way - here is the official link to the PS2 Linux Community. http://playstation2-linux.com/

You can buy the kit itself on the official PS2 website... I think it's http://www.ps2.com :)

[mrZack]

there are ZERO games on PS2 ive played so far that ive are good
or have caught my interest.

all the games are boring.

i ve had more fun playing my old snes games.

[Tommi]

Heck... I almost agree. I must admit, I haven't played much on my PS2 for a while. MGS2 caught my attention and I played it several times. No discussions about that, that would lead to nowhere, we all know that the huge hype and the uber-expectations of many people towards that game has been followed by disappointmend. It's just a matter of personal taste. I love this game.
But besides that... there wasn't much I like to play. If I ever spend my money for a game it must be something I want to play over and over again. :hmm:
That's for sure also something of personal taste. But why is it that way, that many people are so bored of current video games? Games used to be so simple and everybody wanted to play them for years. What's going on with current video games? Are there no fresh ideas or what's the reason?

[Mattrne]

What kind of games would you like to see? Lets not worry about a setting, but lets talk game mechanics;

What were the favourite bits from your top games and why and how would you roll those fave bits into a cohesive whole?

believe me, I'm interested in your opinions.... ;)

[Tommi]

thats really a grwat idea and im also very interested in that. Maybe a new thread on that?

[Mattrne]

new thread started - its called game concepts.

[Tommi]

Where is it?

[Mattrne]

cgnews > game concepts

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

Ico 2! Come to meeee!

[Mattrne]

Yeah Nico looks pretty cool!

[Revelation 23]

I think the biggest problem with most games today is that they aren't really much game anymore. The graphics have become the game, which is sad.

I am not a fan of the trend of constantly lurching forward and skyward with technology and graphics in games and elsewhere. A lot of people enjoy the older games more because they were more fun and they were actually games. Good graphics cannot save a crappy game, but a good game can overcome its graphics.

[Mattrne]

ok rev, what would you class as a good game then?

[Munson]

there is about as much chance of a war starting tomorrow as the playstation 3 coming out this year..

[Mattrne]

err... this thread's about games concepts not ps3....

[Tommi]

Originally posted by Munson
there is about as much chance of a war starting tomorrow as the playstation 3 coming out this year..

Thanks Mr. Bush for having the PS3 this year :love: :drool:

[Tommi]

Originally posted by Mattrne
err... this thread's about games concepts not ps3....

No this thread is about PS3, shipping by the end of the year

[Mattrne]

god i'm getting confused in my old age.....

[Revelation 23]

Originally posted by Mattrne
ok rev, what would you class as a good game then?

I think a good game is something that offers you more than just pretty colors. I want something more than a sort of interactive novel or walk the character through the story. I prefer RPG's over other genres, but even RPG's have become watered down over the years, becoming less and less like role playing games. I also enjoy first person shooters, but they are pretty much all the same. Some offer better physics. Some have better graphics. But the FPS genre hasn't gone anywhere new since it took its evolutionary steps with Half-Life, Unreal and System Shock 2.

The graphics should not be the game. A good game doesn't need to have the latest and the greatest 3D engine and graphics that are increasingly more realistic. And for many, it's still not enough.

Honestly, I haven't found a great number of games in the past few years that I really want to play, for consoles or for the computer. I'm happy with older games that don't require a Pentium 4/Ahtlon XP, the lastest GeForce 4, several hundreds of MB to install and ideally hundreds of MB of RAM. I'm on a rather limited budget, so a top of the line system is more than just a small fortune for me right now - and it would be outclassed and deemed obsolete by many within a month.

I'd like to have a game that's more game than anything else. Give me more to do. Give me a longer game. Give me a reason to play the game and to keep playing it. If you can give me great graphics at the same time, all the better. As long as the game looks pretty good, that's all I really need. It's the gameplay that makes the game, an aspect that's been losing ground for quite some time. Imagine what you could put on a PS2 or XBox DVD if you used graphics that would possibly be better suited for the PSX, N64, Saturn or even earlier systems. Sure, it wouldn't look as good as other titles out today, but if the graphics were decent enough, it would not matter so long as the game you had was actually a game and not interactive eye candy.

I want to play games. Not look at them.

Maybe it's having grown up around games, from the Atari 2600 and Intellivision to the Apple II, then the NES and Sega Master System, going from there. Maybe it's having haunted the arcades quite a bit, even though I was never very good at most games. I miss the days of fun and innovative games before gaming became more mainsteam and commercial. It used to be that bad games weren't all too common. Now it's a fact of life in the industry, and the fact that a lot of developers rush games or ship out buggy versions with plans to patch them later shows an unwelcome changing of the guard. And with next generation consoles having hard drives, either out of the box or as add-ons, I have to wonder how long it is before console games require patches as well.

But that's just my opinion.

[Mattrne]

OK then, taking that into account, whats your all time top five games and why?

Personally, mine goes something like this;

1) Ultima Underworld 1 or 2 - sheer depth of the experience you really felt a huge sense of community within the limited ai.

2) Elite - what more do i need to say - its simply a brilliant idea - who has never said they fancied becoming Han Solo for a few hours?

3) Onimusha 2 - pretty simple this one - it just looks fantastic.

4) Icewind Dale - pure brilliance an RPG which is not too complicated to pick up, but once you understand all of the numerical mechanics in the background, you see that is still a 'real' rpg.

5) Blade Runner - anotyher masterpiece - lots of very clever design tricks, which make the game fun and interesting, plus the way the developers maanaged to get lots of the gadgets from the film integrated into the game was brill. The fact that the story development was dependent on how the player acted was a masterstroke.

[Revelation 23]

Hard to really narrow it down to just five, but I'll try.

Flashback: The Quest For Identity
One of the first games to utilize 3D, as well as movies. Additionally, it was one of the earlier games to be released across several platforms at the same time. The story may not have been the best in a video game, but that didn't mean the game wasn't worth playing. The gameplay and controls were pretty good and the graphics helped make this game stand out, as there were very few games to look that good.

Half-Life
It's hybrid Quake/Quake II engine may have been able to churn out some nice graphics. Though inferior by "standards" set by more recent games, Half-Life can still hold its own. More importantly, Half-Life gave the FPS genre another real character who had some degree of depth. Add to that the interaction with other characters, the AI of foe and ally alike and the ability to use weapons in more than one way and you have a game that changed how gamers and companies percieve the genre.

Final Fantasy
Before Final Fantasy, there weren't really any role playing video games - at best they were adventure games with some other aspects thrown in, even the TSR liscensed titles. Along with Enix's Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy brought a new dimension to gaming, offering up a bit more in the line of gameplay. 16 years later, Final Fantasy is still around and doesn't look to be going anywhere any time soon.

Baldur's Gate
Another defining game from Interplay and Bioware, who had sculpted a name for themselves with Fallout. BG brought the world of AD&D to the computer, actually utilizing mechanics and rules from the traditional RPG genre. While the game did not offer nearly as much as many gamers would have liked in respects to the original game, the game was still rather impressing with plenty to do, decent graphics and sound and a pretty good story. Likewise, it was a game that gamers could get into, regardless of whether they were familiar with AD&D or not.

Seiken Densetsu III
The third game in Squaresoft's "Mana" series, SD3 is a game that should have been released outside of Japan, but never was. I imagine that the problems between Square and Nintendo were a big part of this. SD3 is easily one of the best looking and best sounding games for the SNES/Super Famicon, surpassed only by Chrono Trigger in sound and Bahamut Lagoon in graphics. Gameplay was much like Secret Of Mana (SD2), but it didn't have the same AI problems and control was much smoother. 6 playable characters and multiple paths helped to flesh the game out, along with one of the best soundtracks found for an SNES game.

There's so many other great games, old and new that are worthy of mention. Narrowing it down to a choice few isn't all that easy. Games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy VII (which I'm not even very fond of), Legend Of Zelda, Gran Turismo, Unreal, Duke Nukem 3D and many others deserve to be listed among the best of the best.

As far as graphics in a game go, it's nice to have decent good looking graphics, but it shouldn't be a necessity. They aren't what makes the game. Being able to create increasingly more realistic graphics is one thing - using them is another. Without using graphics as a crutch, games could accomplish much more and offer a lot more.

[Signal2Noise]

Can I list my top 5, too? We're getting waaay off topic but it's fun!



Thanks.

1.) Myst series. This (and Doom) made me want a new computer way back when. And, more importantly, a computer with a CDROM drive. Myst and it's predecessors provided me with total immersion like no other game before it.

2.) System Shock 2. The fear factor and level design couldn't be beat. Awesome game!

3.) Bladerunner. I agree with Matterne. Also, as a huge Blade runner (original) movie fan this game captured the essence incredibly well.

4.) Fallout. The first one. Post-apocalyptic mayhem goodness. Great RPG ruleset and advancement and the whole atmosphere was well done.

5.) Freedom Force. This I think is going to pave the way for the new breed of action/strategy/RPG style gaming. Finally a well executed attempt at comic book hero genre gaming.

Except for the Myst games, I would love to see all of these games come out for the consoles- especially XBox :buttrock:

[CGmonkey]

Nice games y'all! ;)

Get a gamecube, I did just a couple of months ago.. and I haven't been sorry since.

*edit* I just got Metroid Prime, it's by far the best game in years!

1, Quake 3 (over 10,000+ hours of playing)

2, Half-Life (Gordon Freeman, is da MAN)

3, Curse of Monkey Island (Okey, this is here only because of the main theme :buttrock: Nah the game roxx too)

4, Final Fantasy 7 (Well what can I say?)

5, Zelda games (Hellyeah, spank 'em Link!)

[Revelation 23]

Sig,

Ever play Myst 3D, the remake? If so, what did you think of it. And since we're on Myst, what about Pyst? Ever play that one? Was it really as bad as I've heard.

I have Freedom Force (and the Character Tool). Cheesy throwbacks to the good old days of comics are always the best. Too bad I don't have 3D Studio Max to make my own models...

IMO, FF7 would have been a lot better (I'm not very fond of the game) if the designers would have been more consistent. It looks as though more than one team was working on the game's graphics and character models.

Since we've derailed this topic somewhat, let's do a little bit more damage. Top 5 worst games?

[eliseu gouveia]

1. Azure Dreams
2. Azure Dreams
3. Azure Dreams
4. AzureDreams
5. Azure Dreams

[heavyness]

"Get a gamecube, I did just a couple of months ago.. and I haven't been sorry since."

i've never heard anyone bad mouth a Gamecube who actually owns one. when someone puts it down, they haven't had a chance to sit down and play one.

[eliseu gouveia]

My prob with Gamecube is the "kiddie games" syndrome that seems to have infected any phrase where the word Nintendo comes attached to.

It´s just a subliminar thing, I´m sure...

[Wigaru Wiyamoto]

God, don't get me started on the 'kiddy games' crap. I played Mario and Zelda when I was seven years old, I played them when I was 17, and I hope I'm playing them when I'm 77.

I don't see why suddenly Grand Theft Auto and Mario are mutually exclusive. I enjoy them both.

[WChestnutt]

The only thing that keeps me on the game cube at the moment is resi evil, it's the best game ever made!, (apart from final fantasy)
still waiting to get metroid prime.

Top 5:
1. final fantasy 7 :drool:
2. resi evil :eek:
3. devil may cry :buttrock:
4. driver :bounce:
5. gran turismo :cool:

grand theft auto and metal gear solid is also in there somewhere

:beer:

Will

[CGmonkey]

Originally posted by Wigaru Wiyamoto
God, don't get me started on the 'kiddy games' crap. I played Mario and Zelda when I was seven years old, I played them when I was 17, and I hope I'm playing them when I'm 77.

I don't see why suddenly Grand Theft Auto and Mario are mutually exclusive. I enjoy them both.

STRAIGHT UP!

There's an expression called fanboy. basicly you want to convince everybody else that your console is the right one because you want to subliminaly convince yourself that you bought the right console! ;)

Anyway, kiddiegames.. sure.. but shouldn't it be aloud for adults to play non-voilent, puzzle games huh? Tetris for example? :P It got high pitch colors, puzzles and stupid music! ;D

Heh enah.. Nintendo really struggles to get rid of the "kiddie" label. For example - Resident Evil, Metroid Prime etc.. :]

[eliseu gouveia]

Personally,I have a truckload of consoles out here(even had to dump a couple of them by lending them to my baby brother and my cousin), so it really doesn´t come down to fanboyism.

Fact is, whether you like it or not, the Nintendo name IS associated to the "kiddie games" label and it´s not 2 or 5 "adult" games that are gonna change that overnight.

WHEN I see a big enough offer out there on the shelves or even half the title diversity the likes of Sony´s Playstation can provide, THEN I´ll start considering purchasing a Gamecube.

Let´s be honest, 9 outta every 10 Playstation games suck majorly, but since there´s such a large offer, it´s easy to pick a handfull of good ones.

[CGmonkey]

eliseu gouveia - well it's a mather of taste.. as allways. Í'm a poor student, I can only purchase at maximum 6 games / year or something.. (they cost around $70 here in sweden). Hmm so I buy the console that I consider got the most interested games, say.. Metroid, Zelda, Resident Evil, Super mario 128, mario sunshine, 1080 avalance, final fantasy chrystal etc etc..

But yeah I've played ALOT of Xbox and I do not like that piece of junk :]

Hmm, playstation 2 got some seriously fun stuff.. but I chosed gamecube because I have those gore/action games on the pc that most of the playstation/xbox got :] *this is a typical example of fanboyism* ;)

[Larry_g1s]

Can you tell by my avatar which console I love most? :thumbsup:

Don't get me wrong, they all have something to offer. Nintendo's just the most experience when it comes to pure gaming. :buttrock:

I have a PS2 as well, and though I don't see the PS3 shipping any time soon, that kind of life span would just really detier me from getting it.

[eliseu gouveia]

I don't see the PS3 shipping any time soon, that kind of life span would just really deter me from getting it.

That´s what I´ve been saying, if you compare it to the amazing stuff they pulled with the old PS where they extracted every ounce of power the old grey piece of junk could deliver(and they´re STILL milking it away), developpers haven´t milked half of the full potential of the PS2.

This also comes down to my rant against PC games developpers; they´re constantly creating games to take advantage of the latest hardware (which forces me and you, the consumers, to constantly upgrade our machine) instead of milking the untapped potential of all those old Rivas/700 processors that MOST people STILL have.

I´m not gonna spend another 450 bucks purchasing a console that´s gonna last a couple of years tops, no siree.

[bentllama]

But yeah I've played ALOT of Xbox and I do not like that piece of junk :]

:rolleyes:

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