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04-05-2007, 06:21 AM
This has been frustrating me all knight...maybe I'm just being idiotic, but I'm really quite puzzled.
Basically, I have a very simple composition and I can't figure out how to arrange the layers or w/e so that everything goes as it should.
Here's a screenie:
As you can see, I have a black bg, a subway pic, a layer with a white brush (custom by me...and pixelated :D!), and a hue/adjustment layer (it's set to slightly blue green, you can't see right now).
What I want is a brush layer that has the blue green hue of the adjustment layer, but WITHOUT affecting the subway pic. Simple enough, right?
Thing's I've tried without success (for reason's I admittedly don't quite understand)
> using the little arrow thingy you see at the left of the adjustment layer in the pallate (alt-click)...I love that setting & this would be the ideal solution, but for some reason putting the adjustment layer in that mode seems to cancel its effect...
> merging the adjustment/brush layer. Just as if the adjustment layer never was.
> adjusting hue/sat directly on the brush layer: color only appears if I reduce lightness below 0, and then the thing looks sort of washed out compared to the seperate layer view. Same goes for making the brush with a different color in the first place
> making a seperate layer filled with desired color. then set blending mode on color & attempt to use the little arrow thingy mode or merge. Both cancel the effect of the layer.
hmm that's what I think I've tried. And my head is kinda sore :banghead:
Any help and/or explanations would be greatly appreciated...seems to me like (logically) all of these should work
BTW this is with PSCS1, and this is the effect I'm trying to achieve (i.e. adjustment layer w/o little arrow thingy and invisible subway pic):
04-05-2007, 08:32 AM
Why don't you use a mask on the adjustment layer?
04-05-2007, 09:22 AM
what you've done *should* work - but I suppose you could merge the two layers, that'd make sure the colour was only applied to the pixelated white bits.
is the layer with the white stuff on it set to some kind of additive blendmode like dodge? or is it just normal?
04-05-2007, 06:42 PM
Edit: changed my post.. I have no idea...
Edit2: Looking at your picture again - i see, that your adjustmenlayer is't visible. the "eye" in the Layer palette istn there.
04-05-2007, 07:07 PM
Hi guys, thanks for the help.
@leigh, masking either the adjustment or color layer does work, but it feel annoyingly circuitious, because each edit that is done on the brush layer needs to be manually updated on the other layers mask, & you loose some of the edge stuff (though the difference is hardly significant). I may end up doing this, but I was miffed all the other, seemingly better ways didn't work ;)
@skjoldbroder, the white brush layer is set to normal blend mode. I've tried merging the layers (both a filled layer set to color blend mode and the adjustment layer), and the brush layer stays white...I guess something about merging kills the adjustment layer...which, according to the PS manual, shouldn't happen <_<. Merging a color layer kills its blend mode...is there a way to merge applying blend mode effects?
Okay, I've been playing around some, & i guess I've discovered something of the source of the problem:
if i replace the black bg with grey, the brush looks white. Back to black, the brush looks green, so there is something funky going on with the way the adjustment layers are registering. If I apply another adjustment layer when the bg is grey, the brush layer only colorizes when i reduce the brightness (& then it looks ugly...). Color balance does absolutely nada. I guess my eventual goal is no different, though...i want a pretty green brush :-D. This just feels a lot more convoluted than it should...
thanks again for the help
04-07-2007, 02:40 PM
Your problem is that you use white for your brush layer and you can't change the color if you use pure black or white. Take for example a white layer and place a Hue & Saturation layer on top of it and move the hue slider; nothing happens. Now check the Hue & Saturation box and move the sliders again; nothing will happen. Now move the lightness slider and suddenly you can change color, that's because you've moved away from pure white. Pure white and back is basically colorless.
You could set the Hue & Saturation layer to colorize, adjust the Hue and additionally change the blending mode of the brush layer. Iím pretty sure you get the effect you want this way.
04-07-2007, 03:05 PM
I don't know why ?
"the little arrow thingy" ( clipping mask ) works perfectly, I tried http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
plz provide more info about your psd file, your layers
04-09-2007, 12:36 AM
well, I got something close to the effect I wanted by duplicating the brush layer a few times, Hue-saturating that directly and merging. I still wish the clipping mask would work, though :-p
I tried to upload the psd file to attachments but...for some reason the uploader complains that I can't have a psd file over 97 KB, though I theoretically have 1MB of upload space and my file is 996KB...ah well, I guess that's a question for a different forum ;). If there are any nifty ways out there to upload such a thing, let me know
thanks for the help, m8s...though I wish I could understand what PS thinks it's doing...
04-09-2007, 09:52 AM
you can upload the file to http://www.mediafire.com . It's easy. thankshttp://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
04-09-2007, 11:33 AM
dunno if I undrestand what you need really! but here ya'll go!
1. set the brush layer trancparency to 0, (layer trancparency not fill trancp.)
2. go to blending option n set color overlay to what blue you desired,
3. set the blend mode for color overlay right there on c-overlay tab or just merge it with a blank layer n then set blendin mode like always!
hope it helped, mim, :)
04-10-2007, 02:18 AM
That was a good Idea mim, but...doesn't seem to work quite right either :/
Thanks for the link latrommi. Here is a really low res version:
04-10-2007, 03:31 AM
If you would have listened to what I said about pure white or black and that it's not (I repeat: not) going to be affected by hue correction in H&S, then you would have solved the issue by now. ;)
04-10-2007, 09:37 AM
Soverign, you should change the Situration and Lightness attribute and brush layer mode to Linear Dodge to make all work.
here is the new psd file, you can see the setting there
edit: only appx result, not exactly the result you need http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
04-10-2007, 09:59 AM
ah, I found it !
the result you want is the combination of 3 layers:
- Hue/Situration adj layer
- brush layer
- a BLACK layer
so you must duplicate the black layer and the brush layer then apply clipping mask http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
you can use smart obj if you want to edit brush layer later, psd example :
04-10-2007, 12:34 PM
If I'm correct and you are trying to make your layer 3 b&w element a a greenish color, you can do this with Selective Color. Make sure Selective Color is set to Absolute. Go to colors and adjust the white, neutral and black color components by reducing the magenta and black componets, and increasing the cyan and yellow components.
04-11-2007, 02:49 AM
ah!! thank you Latrommi!! That's what I was looking for...feels unnessicarially complicated, but w/e, it's easy enough, & it works :). Thanks a bunch, I'd buy you a cookie if I could...
Just btw @BlueFlare, I understand what you're saying--I essentially discovered that in my 2nd post--the idea was nice, but didn't help too much in getting what I wanted. I played around with your earlier suggestion and got a workable result, but not what I was looking for. Thanks for the help m8 ;)
Thanks for the help everyone, I appreciate all the suggestions. Awesomely supportive forums.
04-11-2007, 08:05 AM
I played around with your earlier suggestion and got a workable result, but not what I was looking for.
Sorry Soverign, my mistake, I overlooked the second image in your first post.
In that case you have to duplicate the layer and invert (Ctrl+I) the bottom one. See screenshot. This way no extra black layer is needed. ;)
04-11-2007, 08:12 AM
awesome, thank you Blueflare, that's a nifty solution as well :thumbsup:, one less layer is always a good thing ;)
04-12-2007, 08:59 PM
Hi if u use BlueFlare's layers I would try changing the inverted brush clipping layer mode to screen for better integration into you image, normal leaves some harsh edges IMHO.
04-13-2007, 05:00 AM
that's an interesting point m8, which got me to thinking. Turns out, what I had after some help here was substantially duller than the original intended appearance; putting all the layers for the edite brush in a bin and duplicating/merging about 4 times yielded this (copared to original brush on the left):
Except that the one on the right doesn't mess with the subway, and (thanks to thomas) blends just as nicely into the scene.
This post was just meant as a little thank you to all you :-). You guys are awesome.
04-16-2007, 04:12 AM
Just stumbled on this and thought I'd share, since it involves my very problem, only with AE:
He talks about it withing the first couple minutes. His soultion is essentially what we ended up doing, only it moves ;)
04-21-2007, 05:52 PM
keep up good tests my mates http://k.1asphost.com/phls/smilies/21.gif
04-21-2007, 05:52 PM
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