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ckaos@om
03-08-2003, 12:30 AM
Hey all, this is my latest wip, Nävis from the french comic Sillage.
The head was done in about 3/ 3.5 hours. Lots of tweaking to do left, and of course body and equipment to make.
1100 polies: about 300 for the head itself the rest for the hair:)

http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/Navis1.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/Navisfront.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/Navisside.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/navis-wings.jpg

wish i had a scanner for the concepts i am working from..these are some i found on the net.
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/sillage2-l.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/1024_02.jpg
Please give me some real criticism , i'm not really used to doing human heads ..and i really want to capture the feel and looks of her ...
ciao !

CogsOrchish
03-08-2003, 07:02 AM
I was wondering what is your target polycount because if you are planning on adding detail to the body, u dont need polygons around the eyes especially the hair. You can basically texture those areas in. The eyelids arent necessary. Like I said, it just all depends on your target poly.

ckaos@om
03-08-2003, 01:16 PM
*update*
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/Navisbody.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/H2OZONE/wip-nav/navisbodyshaded.jpg
thanks cogsOrchish :i am aiming for about 3500 -4000, and i don't know how i could misread it this much but the overall polycount for head + hair is 690 not 1100 :) but of course all this will be tweaked and optimised later.


Come on peeps keep those comments comming please !


Cheers!

Witchy
03-08-2003, 04:46 PM
I might be wrong but it does not look like your mesh is triangulated- I am always forgetting to do that and feeling wildy optimistic about my poly count. If you triangulate then do a poly count that gives you an idea of what the count would be for a gaming model. But as I said I might be wrong about how you are doing the count.

CogsOrchish
03-09-2003, 01:12 AM
As far as tris in Max, its automatic I believe, you just have to turn it on. U dont need to work under mesh stack, which I believe is very important. Remember, all renderers only render in Tris.

Chaos: You need to adjust the boosoms down a bit. Its too high. Otherwise, keep up the good work. Just work under Mesh not poly in modifier stack.

ckaos@om
03-09-2003, 10:48 PM
*update yet again -goin' nuts

http://www.ifrance.com/h2ozone/navw1.jpg
http://www.ifrance.com/h2ozone/navwrend1.jpg
modified the poliflow, her head, the boosoms etc , but somehow, the face just doesn't feel right, it's ( compared to my standarts at least) a decent female head , but it just isn't her !!!! i'v been tweaking for hours now and it doesn't get any better, could anyone help me point out what's wrong ? I'm going nuts !!
Thanks in advance ...

CogsOrchish
03-10-2003, 12:02 AM
Good job with adjusting points to make it better. Youre right, theres something wrong with the face. Check out some references online and see whats up. FINEART (http://www.fineart.sk/heads.htm). Usually the cheeks are higher up to give it a woman feel and the jaw a bit slimmer that ends up wide in the gonial angle region, if you know what I mean. A good reference is Natalie Portman. Check out the link for her at fineart.sk.

Supervlieg
03-10-2003, 05:44 PM
I think the nostrils need refining. they need to be more rounded off at the base

ckaos@om
03-10-2003, 10:44 PM
*not much of an update but here goes :

taking all the comments into acount i tweaked her here and there : thanks everyone !
http://membres.lycos.fr/h2ozone/navw2.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/h2ozone/navwire2.jpg
http://membres.lycos.fr/h2ozone/navwire2-1.jpg

-supervlieg : u're right , moded that, but i'll modify it a bit more
-CogsOrchish: thanks for the comments, and the link ( even though i already know the site :) thanks anyway.
Well nathalie Portman has a very "fine" (ie gentle, soft), but Navis here has normally a very childish face - wish i could post the pics i'm actually working from ..well anyway, i made the jaw slimmer as you suggested, tweaked the cheeks a bit (normally on the refs i have, the outline of the face after the cheek "goes in" at about the same horizontal level as the nose ..) if you got other comments, please don't hesitate :wavey:
I also tweaked the breast area heavilly.
Overall, it's getting closer to what it's meant to be but not quite there yet !
Please, everyone , don't hesitate to point the problems out.

CogsOrchish
03-11-2003, 10:22 AM
Ok cool, good job, keep up the good work!

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