ViaCad 2d/3D Modeler

[barnabythebear]

Hi,

Thanks for the link. This looks really cool. It seems to have feature parity with Concepts3D(?), but it does seem to have lost it's .fac export which is a shame. However, with .sat export this could be very handy for users with EIM still to hand.

From my experience with it's older incarnation, ArgonV6, this is in fact a much better solution in terms of tools that EIM. It doesn't have EIM's edge in the interface department though.

Very tempting!

nige.

[arketype]

I just got off the forums with Tim Olson from Punch.
Viacad and all of the Concepts line includes Fact import and export.

I have Concepts Unlimited, and for general purpose modeling there's not much that ViaCAD can't do. Only the higher end "engineering" features seem to have been dropped.

And ViaCAD still has history based modelling, that means you can change a radius at any time, move a boolean object, split a solid with a nurbs surface, edit the nurbs shape, etc. and the model will update with the changes.

This is an amazing product at $99.
Cheaper than Silo, accurate modeling with CAD drawing and CAD compatibility built in?
Just an unbelievable value.

EITG should really look into some sort of bundle agreement with Punch for this product.

[PaulS2]

Where is the forum you are refering to?

I couldn't see anywhere where it has fillets...though that doesn't mean it doesn't. If it is similar to Concepts 3D then the $99 price tag is a no-brainer.

If it truly is a 3D/pro-quality modeler, that pretty much kills off any chance of seeing EIM in the future.

[richardjoly]

I just got off the forums with Tim Olson from Punch.
Viacad and all of the Concepts line includes Fact import and export.

That is great news Dave. All I could see in their ViaCad data sheet was:
Data Exchange
• SketchUp
• DXF/DWG
• ACIS SAT
• IGES & STEP
• Adobe Illustrator (V6)
• Rhino™ 3DM (Import Only)
• STL (ASCII and Binary)
• BMP
• PICT (Mac Only)
• CGM (Import Only)
• 3D Studio™ (Import Only)
• TurboCAD™ Mac
• TurboCAD™ Mac Pro

With fact import/export and at 99$ it looks like quite a bargain.
This runs only under Tiger if I am not mistaken?

[splitpoint]

I just emailed Tim personally and he has verified that Viacad exports FACT. I've placed my order so I'll post in a few days with some more info.

[arketype]

I just emailed Tim personally and he has verified that Viacad exports FACT. I've placed my order so I'll post in a few days with some more info.

Getting an update on actual ViaCAD use with EIAS will be very valuable.


My only experience is with Concepts Unlimited, which has the potential to be a real modeling powerhouse. It has some features that just make you say "Wow! That's how it should be!", but the app until now has suffered from some "quirks" that keep formZ as my main modeling tool. No doubt though, that CU can do things that formZ can't touch (and vice versa) Luckily they are very compatible through ACIS import/export. I use them together every day.

Now that Punch's resources are being applied I hope that the Concepts line will really start to shine.

We look forward to your ViaCAD update!
(maybe you should start a ViaCAD/ 3rd party modeling app thread).

Thanks
Dave

[yhloon]

Thanks for sharing Aziz, it is amazing, a tool set with great features only for $99!!:eek:

p.s. -- after a quick read to the features, I don't see Round edge or chamfering?

[AzOne]

Hi Loon,
I think there was mention of chamfering in the Product Spec PDF file.

[arketype]

Yep, it has rounding, fillets, chamfers, shelling, and advanced "blending".


Here is the data sheet.
http://www.punchcad.com/products/ViaCADDataSheet.pdf

[yhloon]

ops! I miss that!
thanks

[juanxer]

Will they release a demo? ViaCAD seems extremely interesting, but I'd like to know how its 3D navigation system works (I disliked CU's a lot, that's why). Would they mind putting some movies of the app in action in their website?

[arketype]

Based solely on the interface screenshots it looks a lot like CU.

If that's true then you could give the CU Demo another try.

I originally felt very "disconnected" when working in CU. Especially after the "directness" of formZ and EI Modeler. But after messing around with it for a few hours I realized I could do certain things that formZ would just choke on. Even though it may "feel" very different (definitely not as fun as Modeler felt), you can still be very productive with it. Perhaps even more productive than other tools.

[juanxer]

Argh, a ViaCAD discount coupon has just arrived to my Inbox! Must... resist...

[plsyvjeucxfw]

A quick glance at their Product Matrix (http://www.punchcad.com/products/PunchCADProductMatrix.pdf)

shows that ViaCAD lacks some advanced 3D modeling tools like Deformations, Bending Along Curves, and the use of Guides for Lofting and Skinning operations.

However, for $100.oo it looks like a sweet deal to me. Surely lots of folks will nibble at that price, then if they need more powerful features, will upgrade.

At least they have prices and a way to purchase the software now. The previous Concepts Unlimited page offered no clue, which left many potential buyers with an uneasy feeling.

Have to go over my check book and see what goodies I can afford.

[PaulS2]

For a $100 I just couldn't not buy it......and am pleasantly surprised!

It'll take a bit to get used to the interface and the 'Concepts' way of doing things but all in all it's a very accomplished tool. Lots of videos and tutorials to go through so hopefully I'll come to terms with everything.

FOR $100!!

The fillets and bevels are all there and are much more robust than EIM is - export as .fac works fine but no icon produced. I love the interactive meshing at export....you really see what is going on.

Reads native Rhino files but brings them in as surfaces unjoined.....I imagine there is a join tool somewhere to make everything a solid.

Tool-wise.....having spent only about 45 minutes in the app it seems very capable and probably just as featured as EIM - maybe more-so. I have a feeling having ACIS 16 being used probably will make for smoother sailing.

[MarsViolet]

Wow. This is April 1. Are you freaking putting me on, Paul? Sounds too good to be true.

[PaulS2]

April 1st has nothing to do with it:-)

It really is quite a nice modeler. The more I use the interface the more I like it.....I can get soooo much done in such a short period of time.

It does have a few omissions which I wish it had but not really sure they matter. Maybe just the idea of some tools not there. Specifically in the surfaces area - not quite as robust as EIM but EIM's were not ACIS based really - just added in because of requests.

The curve/profile generation is great along with snaps. Solids and bevels also are very good.......actually very, very good. They are what we had hoped EIM would be.

[MarsViolet]

Sounds very tantalizing. I'll have to wait until the end of next week probably before I can get my hands on a copy since my PowerBook's backlight seems to have burned out (luckily I've got a few months left on my AppleCare warranty, so they're sending a box on Tuesday and will fix it for free and ship it back to me). I can't see not picking up a copy of viaCAD considering the price. I wonder how they can sell it for so cheap.

[PaulS2]

Good you're getting your computer fixed while it still has warranty time!

ViaCad is a good program and I think it is very smart to offer it at $99. It is complete but not so where it will do everything you need. For guys like me, it will open the door to move to the next level 'Concepts 3D'...for someone who needs solids just every now and then it's perfect.

I think this is a good example of getting some buzz going with a product which gives you way more than you pay for....this 'is' exciting technology.

I'll be able to use the surface toolset in EIM along with Viacad to get the most from either - they seem to work really well together. The exports from it are first class - everything looks great in EI.

I still am amazed at how well the fillets and bevels work...you know when importing .eps curves the rounding would always fail in EIM unless one went and re-did all of the curves to make them perfect.....haven't had to do that once in ViaCad. Never had a bevel fail....it might happen but not the way EIM forced you to be perfect.

But it isn't perfect...had it hang a couple of times and had to force quit.

[MarsViolet]

I still am amazed at how well the fillets and bevels work...you know when importing .eps curves the rounding would always fail in EIM unless one went and re-did all of the curves to make them perfect.....haven't had to do that once in ViaCad. Never had a bevel fail....it might happen but not the way EIM forced you to be perfect.

That's exciting to hear. I can be such an impulsive spaz when I model that EIM's insistence on perfection can be a huge problem for me. I need things to be idiot-proof. Man o man, I can't wait to try rounding in viaCAD.

Hey, what happened to PaulS1?

[AzOne]

Wow! When Paul gets excited about a modeler, I really need to give it a second look :)

How flexible is ViaCad's licensing? Can it be installed on a desktop and a laptop as well?

And not meaning to digress, but does anyone use Cheetah3D as a supplementary modeler? If so, perhaps we can discuss it on a new thread.

Thanks.

[juanxer]

Doing the tutorials. The app feels mostly nice, even if the modal nature of the rotate view tool is a bit silly. The only thing I really dislike is the Bezier Spline tool: too much unlike EIM's or Photoshop's, rather unwieldly. Well, that and "non-infinite" grids (I feel lost wihout them :P ).

The LogiCursor is incredible! I always wondered why this kind of CAD cursors are not the norm in vector drawing apps such as Freehand or Illustrator, they are that handy.

[splitpoint]

Wow! When Paul gets excited about a modeler, I really need to give it a second look :)

How flexible is ViaCad's licensing? Can it be installed on a desktop and a laptop as well?

Thanks.

Don't know if it's legal/supported but I authorized my desktop and laptop without issue.

[arketype]

I am using Concepts Unlimited, so I'd like to know if anyone has tried doing booleans with surfaces and solids in ViaCAD.

The coolest trick in CU is to create a nurbs suface (make it very wavy) and use it to cut a solid.

Then edit the original nurbs surface....the boolean will update to match the new shape!
This is really cool, and opens a whole new avenue for form exploration.

This works for just about anything you do, including rounding solid booleans, object translation, etc.

I'm glad ViaCAD has some fans!

Now if we just had ACIS based Ubernurbs/ SDS added to the mix....

[PaulS2]

It's very easy to be excited over the program - it offers tremendous value for little money.

It isn't perfect and there are some tools I wish it had but for straight ahead solids modeling with outstanding fillets and bevels it's completely untouchable at this price-point.

The Logicursor has become my friend:-) Initially, when I tried Concepts 3D a few years ago I just hated it but after using it for awhile and 'understanding' how it works it's going to be hard using software which doesn't have it.

The 2D drawing tools are amazing and always produce good clean solids. Using splines for solids and then having everything bevel isn't always the case and can get into EIM/ACIS tight corner senerios.

I love not having to have any of my curves joined (into one long curve) and doing extrusions which work!

Just for the 2D drawing tools with Logicursor the $99 is a steal - add in the rest and it is easily the best deal in 3D......even after a few days in it and finding out it's short-comings (which aren't that many).

.............and they give you a 90 day money back guarantee! How unreal is that:-)

[arketype]

For anyone using ViaCAD, it would be a good idea to join the forums for ViaCAD and Concepts3d over at Punch, to show support for the product, and let Tim Olson the developer know that you are using it with EIAS.

All of Tim's products are undergoing continuous development, so weigh in and let him know what you think!

http://forum.punchcad.com/index.php

[paulchiap]

Does the retail box include both Windows and Mac versions?

[worx3d]

when you click on the Buy Now button, the page displays 4 options: Windows Box, Windows Download, Mac Box, Mac Download.. so I guess this is for only one platform. But it wouldn't hurt to ask ;) ... I will definitively buy this program in a few weeks, specially after reading your comments here guys. Looks like a winner :)

Joel

[olsonjj]

I just wanted to say thanks to Paul and others for recommending ViaCAD. I figured for $99 it was too cheap not to try out and if I didn't like it, no big deal. I've only played around with it a little between last night and tonight, and watched the video tutorials..but wow.. Very easy to wrap my head around and very forgiving. Love the snaps.

[WmH]

I just wanted to say thanks to Paul and others for recommending ViaCAD. I figured for $99 it was too cheap not to try out and if I didn't like it, no big deal. I've only played around with it a little between last night and tonight, and watched the video tutorials..but wow.. Very easy to wrap my head around and very forgiving. Love the snaps.

Yeah, my advice for anyone who is on the fence, Do it! For $99 EVERY EI user should have a copy, without a doubt. It is that good.
It is unique and a good add of capabilities to all the SDS based modelers available. It is CSG (constructive solids geometry) done right. There are things it is simple to do in a CSG modeler that are impossible or downright painful to do well in a polygon (SDS) modeler. Because it is a CAD modeler it also imports a wide array of CAd file formats AND Adobe illustrator files (and with the blending tools in ViaCAD turning text and logos into (professional looking; properly rounded) models is no longer as painful a pulling teeth)

It also adds capability to the (aging) EI modeler. You can exchange model geometry easily (SAT file exchange) and bring to bear ViaCAD's smart cursor snaps and alignment for easy exact positioning of the elements and the nearly perfect (and forgiving) blending and chamfering.

[PaulS2]

You sound just as enthusiastic as I do about ViaCad:-)

It really is 'that' good!....and am finding that some of the limitation I had assumed it had, after talking with Tim Olson, were just my misunderstandings.

Tim's a good guy and has a great support mentality.

[olsonjj]

Paul,
Could you share the limitations you thought were there and what you found out? I'm sure you are pushing the app much harder than me, but it would be good info to know if I do encounter it.

[PaulS2]

Paul,
Could you share the limitations you thought were there and what you found out? I'm sure you are pushing the app much harder than me, but it would be good info to know if I do encounter it.

It had to do with trimming and stitching surfaces - I couldn't really see a way to trim them......solids yes, but not surfaces.

Tim explained that projecting a curve with the 'imprint' option on will split the surface. And with stitching I was unable to get un-enclosed stitches to work but by option-clicking brought up the dialog box to allow for stitching of un-enclosed volumes.

In general I was having trouble making solids from surfaces...seems fine now and no other questions at this point.

[3dData]

Tim Olsen is indeed very good at answering questions and is open for feedback for new features and bug fixes. I would like to see EI team up with Concepts and create a bundle for the next EI upgrade.

At the $99 price point, I don't see a reason to bring back EIM.

[PaulS2]

Tim Olsen is indeed very good at answering questions and is open for feedback for new features and bug fixes. I would like to see EI team up with Concepts and create a bundle for the next EI upgrade.

At the $99 price point, I don't see a reason to bring back EIM.

I completely agree...whether a bundle or some coupon...and either way. If someone buys ViaCad provide a discount for EI.

I also see no reason to bring back EIM ...though I still do like it and find it useful.

[olsonjj]

What do we gain, or better yet, what does EI gain, by bringing back EIM, with ViaCAD already a very good product and very cheap. Not to mention Silo, although its a SDS modeler. I think most of us already agree that ViaCAD is pretty damn nice..although it doesn't have everything.

So maybe EI should team up with Punch to help improve ViaCAD to make it the best nurbs modeler out there that $99 can buy. Maybe EI could even gain direct viaCAD import instead of FACT.

[arketype]

The main thing the Concepts line is missing is an SDS feature. Silo has some awesome SDS capabilities, but it's compatibility with CAD apps is very limited since it's polygon only. This is something EITG might be able to help with. I don't know of any CAD based apps that have SDS like modeler did. It would be a "killer feature" for the Industrial Design crowd. I think a partnership between EIAS and ViaCAD/Concepts could bring modeler's ACIS based SDS to Concepts, provide tighter integration with EIAS, and create some sort of "bundle" deal. It seems to be a good match.

[juanxer]

(I'd second the creation of a Third Party Modelers thread to explore integration with EIAS: when reading about what everyone looks for in a modeler, sometimes certain apps come to mind, oftentimes some not that well known ones, that would be interesting to explre.)

[3DArtZ]

who has some samples of models they have had the time to build?
Lets see em!

thanks
Mike Fitz
www.3dartz.com (http://www.3dartz.com)

[PaulS2]

Here's one:

http://homepage.mac.com/sherstobitoff/PhotoAlbum42.html

Most everything so far has been just doodling around working out the tools and workflow which is best for me........nothing finished. Except the V with lots of deep bevels.

I had mentioned on another list that I am now unlearning 'solids modeling' based on the egg-shell tip-toeing EIM forced upon one. ViaCAD lets me do things (mostly blends and fillets) which guaranteed failure in EIM so created a work-flow to model around these problem areas.

In VIaCad I first try something before I decide it not do-able based on past 'solids' experiences.......not everything will work but most does now.

ViaCad's fillets and bevels really are what we had hoped were in EIM........yes, while EIM remains useful in the surfaces creation area, it would be pointless to ressurect it unless it could perform just as well...and even then, the price of ViaCad just makes re-development now impractical..

[PaulS2]

Here's one:

http://homepage.mac.com/sherstobitoff/PhotoAlbum42.html

Most everything so far has been just doodling around working out the tools and workflow which is best for me........nothing finished. Except the V with lots of deep bevels.

I had mentioned on another list that I am now unlearning 'solids modeling' based on the egg-shell tip-toeing EIM forced upon one. ViaCAD lets me do things (mostly blends and fillets) which guaranteed failure in EIM so created a work-flow to model around these problem areas.

In VIaCad I first try something before I decide it not do-able based on past 'solids' experiences.......not everything will work but most does now.

ViaCad's fillets and bevels really are what we had hoped were in EIM........yes, while EIM remains useful in the surfaces creation area, it would be pointless to ressurect it unless it could perform just as well...and even then, the price of ViaCad just makes re-development now impractical..

[3dData]

Some samples done with Concepts 3D


http://blasscom.com/samples/USB_4.jpg

http://blasscom.com/samples/EasyButton.jpg

http://blasscom.com/samples/Project22.jpg

[arketype]

Some samples done with Concepts 3D

http://blasscom.com/samples/Project22.jpg

Joe,
This is an awesome sample.
Did you do that with deformations?
Is that an mForge material?

[3dData]

Thanks for the compliment!

The twisting was done in Concepts 3D
Yeah, that's an mForge (had to render in 6.5)
The reflection map will be recongized by many users!

[PaulS2]

Yes, great samples.....the curved type on the button is where solids modeler's live.

"The reflection map will be recongized by many users!"

10 cents for every time it's used....I'd be rich and retired by now:-)

I've tried to come up with a better one and have not been successful - that one does work....in most cases anyway.

[3dData]

Yes, great samples.....the curved type on the button is where solids modeler's live.

"The reflection map will be recongized by many users!"

10 cents for every time it's used....I'd be rich and retired by now:-)

I've tried to come up with a better one and have not been successful - that one does work....in most cases anyway.

That reflection map is just so handy when doing test renders --I actually do use OTHER reflection maps (can''t find a sample right now...)!

The curved type is all geometry, no bumps maps. All the extra rounding was added in Concepts and all worked. Even after curving the type by trimming with a line.

I had used FormZ and I have never experienced how easy it is to bevel in Concepts. I can stilll run up against a edge that won't bevel, but if I rework the body, it usually will.

One more sample: http://www.blasscom.com/samples/bottleProject.jpg

[MarsViolet]

10 cents for every time it's used....I'd be rich and retired by now:-)

I think you should set up a PayPal link. Just have a DONATE button next to a download of the reflection map — allow any size of payment — and see what happens. I would click it right now.

That reflection map is a piece of simple inspired genius and should be proudly displayed on your web site along with your other artwork.

[PaulS2]

Thanks.

I've been more than well compensated for the little bit of inspiration the reflection map was a result of....besides, it always was just meant to be something I could do for the EI community.

Something useful for myself and others - and something to make 'phong' renders look a little more reflective.

I do have a suggestion for those who do use it....don't use it on a larger plain sphere (I'm just as guilty) - it looks too obvious and naked like that. Blur it or combine it with something else.

[paulchiap]

Is there a PDF or something on the ViaCad CD that shows the tool palette with all of the available tools? If so, would you be willing to post it.

I'm trying to decide between ViaCad and Concepts3D, and Punch's comparison matrix isn't very detailed.

Thanks,
Paul

[MarsViolet]

Is there a PDF or something on the ViaCad CD that shows the tool palette with all of the available tools? If so, would you be willing to post it.

I'm trying to decide between ViaCad and Concepts3D, and Punch's comparison matrix isn't very detailed.

Thanks,
Paul


There's this (http://www.punchcad.com/products/ViaCADDataSheet.pdf). Pages 2 and 3 seem to list the tools, but I don't know how complete it is.

[3DArtZ]

Wait a tick....
doesn't the ACIS License get very expensive at the renewal?
that might mean that this software could go up in price after the initial purchase.
just thinking out loud here.
does anyone know.

Also does the software calculate volume or have mass properties?

[PaulS2]

Is there a PDF or something on the ViaCad CD that shows the tool palette with all of the available tools? If so, would you be willing to post it.

I'm trying to decide between ViaCad and Concepts3D, and Punch's comparison matrix isn't very detailed.

Thanks,
Paul

The sheet that Mark provided is all I know of.

If you need a solids modeler as a suppliment to a nurbs modeler you already use then get ViaCad.

If you are looking for a primary modeler then get Concepts 3D...there are some surface tools not available in ViaCad which Rhino/EIM does for me.

From what I understand there is a 90 day money back so you could probably upgrade it to Concepts if not powerful enough.

[PaulS2]

Wait a tick....
doesn't the ACIS License get very expensive at the renewal?
that might mean that this software could go up in price after the initial purchase.
just thinking out loud here.
does anyone know.

Also does the software calculate volume or have mass properties?


As far as I know, the ACIS license getting expensive afterwards is hear-say....when I see that data in writing I will believe it. Sorry, I don't buy that as an excuse for abandoning a perfectly good modeler...namely EIM.

Concepts 3D has gone 'down' in price over the years and it has used ACIS for many years.....I don't see any license 'getting' expensive going on here.

[3dData]

When CSi was aquired by Punch! software, I was very worried about the future of Concepts given the price point Punch! sells their software packages. My concern was that features and ACIS would be removed. Man was I wrong! ViaCAD is an excellent solids modeler for only $99.

[3DArtZ]

thanks for the replies guys!

Did you guys see anything in the software about mass properties?
thanks
Mike Fitz
www.3dartz.com (http://www.3dartz.com)

[3dData]

I checked the web site: http://www.concepts3d.com, and it looks to me that Concepts Unlimited might have what you are looking for. 3D and Unlimited each have PDF that detail their respective features.

Danger! Double Post Ahead -- Sorry!

[arketype]

I have Concepts Unlimited and it does have mass properties functions.
It will tell you the volume of any object, and you can assign a material (from a very long list) and it will calculate the final part weight, and give you some other details

I believe that this feature is Concepts Unlimited only.

Here is a shot of the dialog.

[3dData]

I checked the web site: http://www.concepts3d.com, and it looks to me that Concepts Unlimited might have what you are looking for. 3D and Unlimited each have a PDF that details their respective features.

[WmH]

thanks for the replies guys!

Did you guys see anything in the software about mass properties?
thanks
Mike Fitz
www.3dartz.com (http://www.3dartz.com)

Yes ViaCAD does Mass properties. I can screenshot it you want, but it looks like the dialog that Dave posted from Concepts (which isn't surprising)
Just pull the trigger, you know you want it, you could could be running it a half hour from now ;-) Seriously it is a great, truly professional level, product. Considering the superb fact export, I truly believe that at $99 no EI user should be without it.

P.S. I did a screenshot for you (I had the idisk sitting on the desktop so I figured what the H)

http://idisk.mac.com/holderness/Public/Concept/ViaCADproperties.jpg

[Martin Kay]

Yes, great samples.....the curved type on the button is where solids modeler's live.

"The reflection map will be recongized by many users!"

10 cents for every time it's used....I'd be rich and retired by now:-)

I've tried to come up with a better one and have not been successful - that one does work....in most cases anyway.

Yes I can attest to how difficult it is to improve on the PS map... It works well on all angles mostly, which is tricky to achieve and also not be too committed to having an 'obvious identifiable source' of the 'reflection'. I mostly have used a set of maps which shipped with the old Kai Power Tools, but thought I'd have a go at recreating the PS map.

http://www.martinkay-3d.com/shader_pages/ReflectMap.html

I know the PS map has been 'distributed' from various sources, one being the old SLA c4d shader depository, some years ago, but I feel like a bit of a cheat using it, even though my attempt is inevitably very similar, simply because it has to be to work satisfactorily.

Martin K

[PaulS2]

Good work! Send me a jpeg:-)

I like how you reworked parts and opened up areas which were a little bit plugged up in the original.

What I never uploaded or released were the full color and pre-blurred variations which I have - the one you use is a monochromatic version.

You want to know the story of the reflection map? - I'll tell you!

Had been using EI for about 6 months and felt a little disappointed that it didn't have a ray trace engine - I also had C4D pre Version 5 with it's fast raytracer but crappy render. I loved the look of EI's render so set out to tackle the non-reflective looking metals it put out.

Being an airbrush artist I knew the tricks for making that 'chrome' slick look which contributed to making the airbrush the glossy, polished tool of the illustration world through the late 70's and into the 90's.

One afternoon when I was fooling around I came across a stock photo in a graphics mag on it's enclosed CD. It had all of the properties I would use in airbrushing (for reflections) so thought to try it as a reflection map. It was the first one which really sold the look of chrome. I heavily manipulated it to a point where the original photographer couldn't recognize it but that is one of the reasons why I never charged anything for it - it was never mine to sell...and besides I am a good guy so thought to share it with my 3D friends:-) After it had become popular I had long forgotten where I got it or any clue as to the photographer for any sort of proper credit.

Funny thing is is I always thought I would come up with something far better and more effective - just couldn't. This one worked for just about all cases and was pretty non-descript......and it's only on a largish sphere where it looks a little off - most other places it behaves itself.

[Martin Kay]

Thanks. Send me your E mail address and I'll send you a copy- there doesn't seem to be a link for contacting you on your site. The file is 1575 pixels wide x pro.
They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery... ;-)

Martin K

[PaulS2]

sherstobitof@earthlink.net

[Martin Kay]

Martin K Martin K

[PaulS2]

Where'd your message go:-)

I liked ViaCAD so much I am now using Concepts Unlimited - the surface tools are just what I was looking for.

Check this out:

http://www.csi-concepts.com/advancedcover.htm

Rhino can do some of this stuff but CU is extremely robust in this area. The surface toolset in general makes Concepts 3D or CU a very nice modeler.

These surface tools where what I was nagging the EIM developers to do but with not too much success, unfortunately. The surface blend tool is IT!

It is so nice now to have the majority of the tools I need on the mac - I'm sure I'll have to go into Rhino and Max every now and then but not so much anymore.

[PaulS2]

Just to add....I can't get over the customer support Tim Olson provides. I asked him if it was possible to add in a knifing feature EIM had. His reply was "good idea - I've added it to the enhancement list...we can provide options to keep right, keep left or keep both".

It's great to have this sort of interested and friendly exchange from someone who creates the tools one uses.

[Martin Kay]

Where'd your message go:-)

I liked ViaCAD so much I am now using Concepts Unlimited - the surface tools are just what I was looking for.

Check this out:

http://www.csi-concepts.com/advancedcover.htm

Rhino can do some of this stuff but CU is extremely robust in this area. The surface toolset in general makes Concepts 3D or CU a very nice modeler.

These surface tools where what I was nagging the EIM developers to do but with not too much success, unfortunately. The surface blend tool is IT!

It is so nice now to have the majority of the tools I need on the mac - I'm sure I'll have to go into Rhino and Max every now and then but not so much anymore.

Must have been asleep... If all the hoo ha about ViaCad hadn't been about I'd have gone for Concepts- it has necessary features. Often in ViaCad a 'blend' surface dissappears withpout any means of 'refilling' it. Glad you got to terms with it all eventually!
Did you upgrade to ConceptsUnlimited or did you have to shell out the full wack? It all looks like extremely good liberating and groundbreaking stuff.
I'll upgrade to C3D, the Unlimited is some price! What do you get extra and above C3D, apart from loads of tech stuff?

Martin K

[Martin Kay]

Just to add....I can't get over the customer support Tim Olson provides. I asked him if it was possible to add in a knifing feature EIM had. His reply was "good idea - I've added it to the enhancement list...we can provide options to keep right, keep left or keep both".

It's great to have this sort of interested and friendly exchange from someone who creates the tools one uses.

Not quite sure how this differs from split solid with a curve or surface in Vcad

Martin K

[PaulS2]

Not quite sure how this differs from split solid with a curve or surface in Vcad

Martin K

I don't believe you can split a solid with a curve - you can split it with a surface or trim it with a curve but no splitting. Creating a surface from a curve, in order to split, is just an additional step

CU offers some advanced surface tools for creating caps to close off openings....the link I provided had to do with CU and those tools.

[3dData]

If you blend or round surface elements, sometimes they seem to disappear. To fix it, select the items and under the Edit menu, select Change Object Type. Change it to Surfaces. The items should all now "appear". You can then stitch them back into a surface or to a solid.

Tim Olsen does provide excellent support and is always open to ways to improve the software. BTW, the tech support with Punch!/Concepts is not too shabby either!

[Martin Kay]

If you blend or round surface elements, sometimes they seem to disappear. To fix it, select the items and under the Edit menu, select Change Object Type. Change it to Surfaces. The items should all now "appear". You can then stitch them back into a surface or to a solid.

Tim Olsen does provide excellent support and is always open to ways to improve the software. BTW, the tech support with Punch!/Concepts is not too shabby either!

AHA! Thanks for that!

Martin K

[juanxer]

Not quite sure how this differs from split solid with a curve or surface in Vcad

Martin K
I'd say ViaCAD is a bit too diverse in the way a certain operation is implemented for solids, surfaces and curves. For cutting/trimming any kind of entity, EIModeler provides a set of knives differing in the nature of the cutter geometry only (interactive line-type profile, interactive circle-type profile, pre-drawn curve profile, pre-drawn surface). ViaCad not only has a different tool for each kind of entity, but each tool imposes an entirely different approach: curves for trimming solids, surfaces for splitting solids; infinite planes for trimming surfaces; a set of trimming tools for curves… Is CU that way, too? Is it due to these apps following some ACIS conventions a bit too closely GUI-wise, perhaps?

As Tim Olsen seems to be a very receptive person, I hope we get EIM-style curve profile and surface knives at least, as their usage seems most suited to ViaCAD.

[PaulS2]

"Is CU that way, too? Is it due to these apps following some ACIS conventions a bit too closely GUI-wise, perhaps?"

Yes, CU is the same as ViaCAD and also Concepts 3D.

I'm sure if a few people request some additions he'll pay attention and go out of his way to make it happen.

[paulchiap]

Joe,

Thanks for the tip!! ViaCad just arrived today, and the tip has already helped.

Paul

[MarsViolet]

Does viaCAD have a tool for creating stars and such, with way to specify number of points, inner and outer radius etc?

[MarsViolet]

You want to know the story of the reflection map? - I'll tell you!

Had been using EI for about 6 months and felt a little disappointed that it didn't have a ray trace engine - I also had C4D pre Version 5 with it's fast raytracer but crappy render. I loved the look of EI's render so set out to tackle the non-reflective looking metals it put out.

Being an airbrush artist I knew the tricks for making that 'chrome' slick look which contributed to making the airbrush the glossy, polished tool of the illustration world through the late 70's and into the 90's.

One afternoon when I was fooling around I came across a stock photo in a graphics mag on it's enclosed CD. It had all of the properties I would use in airbrushing (for reflections) so thought to try it as a reflection map. It was the first one which really sold the look of chrome. I heavily manipulated it to a point where the original photographer couldn't recognize it but that is one of the reasons why I never charged anything for it - it was never mine to sell...and besides I am a good guy so thought to share it with my 3D friends:-) After it had become popular I had long forgotten where I got it or any clue as to the photographer for any sort of proper credit.

Funny thing is is I always thought I would come up with something far better and more effective - just couldn't. This one worked for just about all cases and was pretty non-descript......and it's only on a largish sphere where it looks a little off - most other places it behaves itself.

One of the things I like about the reflection map is that it lends an organic, painterly quality to reflections. It hints at reality, rather than supplying it. It must be that whole airbrush thing shining through again.

[PaulS2]

Does viaCAD have a tool for creating stars and such, with way to specify number of points, inner and outer radius etc?


No stars that I could see - nsided shapes with user controlled sides is all.

On the reflection map - it was always a suggestion of something being reflected and contrasty enough to bring out general form of an object. That part I always liked...the way it brought out the curvature of shapes.

...'airbrush shining through' eh! Pun intended, I guess:-)

[WmH]

Does viaCAD have a tool for creating stars and such, with way to specify number of points, inner and outer radius etc?

It is CAD oriented (vs illustration) and does not have a star primitive or creation tool, however you can easily import AI art. It does have a (inscribed and circumscribed) regular polygon tool (as Paul mentioned) and by nesting two regular polygons (aligning the vertex of the second along the midpoint of a segment of the first) and drawing a polyline between vertexes you can easily create a star. Perhaps a bit more work than a star tool, but not much really, considering the ease and speed of the alignment and snap in ViaCAD/Concepts.

[Reuben5150]

I'm suddenly i'm interested in the Concepts modelers, can anyone provide a fact file exported from ViaCad so i can test it properly ?, i take it the demos can't export, in fact i can't get the windows demo for Concepts3d to work, but that should be fixable.

[Martin Kay]

I'm suddenly i'm interested in the Concepts modelers, can anyone provide a fact file exported from ViaCad so i can test it properly ?, i take it the demos can't export, in fact i can't get the windows demo for Concepts3d to work, but that should be fixable.

I can send you some fact files from ViaCad if you want. Let me have an E mail address.
There are no problems exporting from ViaCad via fact format into EI.

Martin K

[Reuben5150]

Great thanks Martin !

I'll send you a PM with the address.

I have just ordered ViaCad but having a few prob's, first off, like an idiot i used a non-existent email address on the order form, so i got the download but no serial number, second i still can't get the program to run under XP-64 bit, it just won't boot.

I've contacted the company, no response as yet, also tried to register on the forum but still waiting for account activation...

can't find any other resource for trouble shooting, damit !, not my day...

Reuben

[Martin Kay]

Great thanks Martin !

I'll send you a PM with the address.

I have just ordered ViaCad but having a few prob's, first off, like an idiot i used a non-existent email address on the order form, so i got the download but no serial number, second i still can't get the program to run under XP-64 bit, it just won't boot.

I've contacted the company, no response as yet, also tried to register on the forum but still waiting for account activation...

can't find any other resource for trouble shooting, damit !, not my day...

Reuben

I'm sure they will get back to you eventually. I had problems also with serial numbers- eventually they E mailed it to me.

Martin K

[Reuben5150]

Yeah i got an email today, but i'm having to revert to XP-32 bit to run the app, so won't be running for a few hours yet :-(

Viacad looks like a pretty advanced modeler for $99, looking forward to trying it.

Reuben

[Martin Kay]

Yeah i got an email today, but i'm having to revert to XP-32 bit to run the app, so won't be running for a few hours yet :-(

Viacad looks like a pretty advanced modeler for $99, looking forward to trying it.

Reuben

I sent you some fact files, but they won't deliver. Now you've got the app you're ok!

Martin K

[Reuben5150]

yeah, the email is down again, thanks anyway-

Finally got up and running with Viacad, its taking some time to get to grips with.. but i like a lot of what i see.

Reuben

[Martin Kay]

yeah, the email is down again, thanks anyway-

Finally got up and running with Viacad, its taking some time to get to grips with.. but i like a lot of what i see.

Reuben

Yes, its a good piece of software for the price. It has a few quirks it's true. The forum is helpful if you get stuck. I'm currently deep within Rhino 4 learning about surface modelling...

Martin K

[PaulS2]

Viacad/Concepts and Rhino are great additions to EIM and each one has it's strenghts and unique personalities.

The biggest improvement for either of them would be to incorporate the layers approach EIM has. Both fall a little short in the visual feedback area - something which EIM excelled in.

ViaCad could really use a 4 view option too - the LogiCursour is very nice but still not a substitute for a 4 view for some things. I still am amazed at how robust it's rounding is...the history is also extremely useful.

Rhino's solids tools have greatly improved for V4 over V2 (which really was the last version I used even though I had V3 installed). Rhino is an outstanding modeler - truly a success story in both product and company. I especially like that Rhino immediately drops the last tool and goes into select mode - right-click brings back the previous tool. I follow the Rhino newsgroup and find many knowledgeable pros on that list along with a number of company representatives.

For quick and dirty...and not so dirty, I still grab EIM as my first choice modeler if the modeling is to be at all solids based or originating from Illustrator. Thankfully, all the 3 modelers talk to each other very well.

[vindicator]

Will EIM work with the latest OSX?

[PaulS2]

Don't know...works fine with 10.4.2

[vindicator]

...that's good to hear.

I'm using 10.3.9

[plsyvjeucxfw]

Available modeling programs have been growing quite a bit lately. One that I've been trying is MoI (Moment of Inspiration). It's nearly out of beta, and the developer hopes to offer it at near the $200.oo price point.

On the plus side it does have the 4 window setup (along with enlarging a single view to full screen). It also has an excellent snapping and inteligent construction guides system. On the down side, it's P.C. only, with no plans to port over. It also lacks a decent layers system.

Still, it has an interesting approach to the user interface, and the mesh export is very nice, lots of EIM like variables to adjust. Also, the developer has licensed a different kernel than the typical Spatial ACIS. It's called Solids ++ from Integrity ware.

http://moi3d.com/index.htm

and

http://moi3d.com/forum/

[PaulS2]

Good to know.

I never realized it used Integrity Ware's library - these are the same guys who do nPower's pluggins. I think it's literally the same guys but just a different company they have for selling their libraries. Great software.

One thing which really is outstanding with nPower's pluggin is that you can 'quad mesh' a nurbs object and it will look very similar to the nurbs object when you apply SDS smoothening to it. This is very handy to bevel and fillet almost impossible edges with SDS but keep the same shape as the nurbs object.

Does MOI have this option?

[WmH]

Will EIM work with the latest OSX?

Runs fine on 10.4.9

Hoping for no problems with EIM and leopard (10.5) this fall, but considering it has been fine with the last 3 major revisions I am confident that it will be fine (I am no longer a registered developer, has any developer with the Leopard DR tried EIM?).

Because it is so easy on OS X to run multiple systems and even switch systems at boot (option key) I would always recommend cloning a known good configuration to another volume (don't copy, use one of the cloners (super duper or carbon copy cloner) they make it easy and correctly establish the necessary symlinks and bless the volume) That way if you run across an obscure compatibility bug in an application when a project is up on deadline you can easily finish the project and sort out the incompatibility later (after the deadline)

[juanxer]

SuperDuper, in some tests, was shown to be the most conscientious backup app of the lot: even CCcloner missed certain new Apple types of hidden files (Spotlight data and such), even if they wasn't terribly important (the cloned OS ought to regenerate them once active).

The gratis version of Superduper can only do full backups. CCcloner can do incrementals, and is regarded as a very well done tool.

[plsyvjeucxfw]

you can 'quad mesh' a nurbs object and it will look very similar to the nurbs object when you apply SDS smoothening to it. This is very handy to bevel and fillet almost impossible edges with SDS but keep the same shape as the nurbs object.

Does MOI have this option?

I'm not sure about this one. MoI has the option to create N-gons, Quads and Triangles, and Triangles only. You can set a max edge length, break up the mesh based on Angle, and force it to break up large planes, curved areas, or both. You can also set an aspect ratio to control your triangles.

As to how this would look after subdividing in an SDS modeler, who knows. Worth a try though.

[Reuben5150]

ViaCad could really use a 4 view option too - the LogiCursour is very nice but still not a substitute for a 4 view for some things. I still am amazed at how robust it's rounding is...the history is also extremely useful.


Totally agree with that, i'm finding the navigation and some of the other fundamental stuff is just not as good as EIM, the logicursor has potential to drive you mad, i do think its a pretty good idea, but in practice in some situations it becomes a pain in the ass.

Rotate and scale tools are horrible, unless i'm missing something- why is it you can simply grab an object an move it around the 3d space, but rotate and scale requires you to "set points"

Also the snapping is very good, but at the same time can become a problem when editing curves, eg - i'm tracing the outline of an image template, draw the curves, now i want to edit with precise mouse input to match the template exactly, you can't !, the snapping interferes with your input, turn off the snaps and again (unless i'm missing something) the points can no longer be edited ! with snaps turned off !

I tried the concepts 3D demo and its the same deal, i really need to access the forum but the account is still inactive :-(

I'd really like to upgrade to concepts 3D, but this won't be happening unless i can get around these issues.

Btw, after all this time i still can't believe EIM was dropped -

Reuben

[PaulS2]

By the way, have you watched all of the videos which come with the download? They made the interface far more friendly and interactive for me. I agree - some of the snapping stuff is great and at other times it gets a little in the way.


"Btw, after all this time i still can't believe EIM was dropped -"

Yep, there was/is so much right about EIM that it is somewhat surprising it was left to rot. It shouldn't have taken too much to get some of the issues worked out to make it a stellar modeler. It was in advance of it's time when released in many ways and is still current in some. It's interface and method of organization is still my favourite of any app I have ever used.

When I got ViaCad I was a little wowed (and still am) by it's abilty to fillet and bevel...and history..and pushed EIM to the side. But, first large project which came along, EIM was the one I reached for. Went from EIM to Rhino and then to CU to bevel.

[paulchiap]

Reuben,

Please let Punch know about your dislikes and problems at techsupport@punchcad.com. I've complained about the same things as you. Hopefully they'll make some changes/improvements. I can't stand the rotate and scale tools.

Paul

[Reuben5150]

By the way, have you watched all of the videos which come with the download? They made the interface far more friendly and interactive for me. I agree - some of the snapping stuff is great and at other times it gets a little in the way.


"Btw, after all this time i still can't believe EIM was dropped -"

Yep, there was/is so much right about EIM that it is somewhat surprising it was left to rot. It shouldn't have taken too much to get some of the issues worked out to make it a stellar modeler. It was in advance of it's time when released in many ways and is still current in some. It's interface and method of organization is still my favourite of any app I have ever used.

When I got ViaCad I was a little wowed (and still am) by it's abilty to fillet and bevel...and history..and pushed EIM to the side. But, first large project which came along, EIM was the one I reached for. Went from EIM to Rhino and then to CU to bevel.

Yep i watched most of the movies, it did help..

I found that de-activating some or most of the snap functions makes curve editing much better, a case of activate if needed i think, so maybe now i just need some more time with the app.

Yes, a lot of the tools do seem very robust, i expect that's due to the much newer ACIS engine.

One wonders how punch can sell ViaCad at $99 yet EI couldn't hold on to that license, personally i would have sold off Amorphium to keep that license, even if it was only for a short while longer, but its all irrelevant now...

[Reuben5150]

Reuben,

Please let Punch know about your dislikes and problems at techsupport@punchcad.com (http://forums.cgsociety.org/techsupport@punchcad.com). I've complained about the same things as you. Hopefully they'll make some changes/improvements. I can't stand the rotate and scale tools.

Paul

I'll be posting a few questions and opinions on the forum, once i get access and once i'm more familiar with the app.

[juanxer]

One wonders how punch can sell ViaCad at $99 yet EI couldn't hold on to that license
I suspect Punch is subsidizing ViaCAD somehow via the pricing on the Concepts 3D/Unlimited apps.

[PaulS2]

Yep i watched most of the movies, it did help..

I found that de-activating some or most of the snap functions makes curve editing much better, a case of activate if needed i think, so maybe now i just need some more time with the app.

Yes, a lot of the tools do seem very robust, i expect that's due to the much newer ACIS engine.

One wonders how punch can sell ViaCad at $99 yet EI couldn't hold on to that license, personally i would have sold off Amorphium to keep that license, even if it was only for a short while longer, but its all irrelevant now...

It takes a little bit to get used to the workflow - ViaCad's interface is somewhat similar to Rhino's so it didn't feel too different to me but it sure is different than EIM's....especially the layers and means of organization. I don't know why PC/CAD types of software inherantly have such limited visual over-view?

I still think there is some 'missing' info on why EIM was scrapped....that still is a sore spot with me. After the amount of (unpaid) time myself and a few other's put in to try to make it a great modeler, to have it pulled because of someone's blundering tended to deflate my EI bubble:-) I don't dwell on this point to much but everytime I use EIM for it's strenghts I remember just how good of a modeler it is.

[Ideas]

It takes a little bit to get used to the workflow - ViaCad's interface is somewhat similar to Rhino's so it didn't feel too different to me but it sure is different than EIM's....especially the layers and means of organization. I don't know why PC/CAD types of software inherantly have such limited visual over-view?

I still think there is some 'missing' info on why EIM was scrapped....that still is a sore spot with me. After the amount of (unpaid) time myself and a few other's put in to try to make it a great modeler, to have it pulled because of someone's blundering tended to deflate my EI bubble:-) I don't dwell on this point to much but everytime I use EIM for it's strenghts I remember just how good of a modeler it is.

I've just started using ViaCam and have had very much the same experience as Reuben. After Modeler it feels very clunky and unintuitive.
I don't agree at all with your earlier evaluation that there is no need to revive EIM. For me ViaCam is certainly no replacement. But, early days so...
Mike.

[PaulS2]

Once one becomes more and more comfortable it does start to have it's own feel and makes more sense.

But yes, I will eat my past words:-) I too would love to see EIM brought back out and to the quality that ViaCad has in some of it's tools.

[plsyvjeucxfw]

I think the trimetric and isometric views in ViaCAD (or Concepts 3D) were what threw me the worst. I hope Tim implements a true perspective camera mode.

I know draughtsmen are used to the isometric drawing projection, but I loathe it.

[Reuben5150]

It takes a little bit to get used to the workflow - ViaCad's interface is somewhat similar to Rhino's so it didn't feel too different to me but it sure is different than EIM's....especially the layers and means of organization. I don't know why PC/CAD types of software inherantly have such limited visual over-view?

I still think there is some 'missing' info on why EIM was scrapped....that still is a sore spot with me. After the amount of (unpaid) time myself and a few other's put in to try to make it a great modeler, to have it pulled because of someone's blundering tended to deflate my EI bubble:-) I don't dwell on this point to much but everytime I use EIM for it's strenghts I remember just how good of a modeler it is.

I've still not made much sense of the layers etc, still learning other aspects of the app, it does seem to be the case that object management is an after thought or a work-in-progress with a lot of apps, i don't keep up with the latest developements in the 3d world anymore but have looked as most of the demos over time and always seem to fall back to EIM.

I don't blame you, i know a few other people with that exact same sore spot, completely justified.

Reuben

[Reuben5150]

Here's a project i'm doing with ViaCad, i've plenty to say about this app, but no time right now, some images -

http://www.affinity3d.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=303

http://www.affinity3d.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=307 (http://www.affinity3d.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=307)

Later

Reuben

[PaulS2]

I guess guitars will have to become the standard for learning a new modeler if this trend continues.

Coming along good - nice flamey maple cap you've got there.

Post your comments when you have a few minutes.

[Reuben5150]

Well.. i managed to get Viacad working on the 64bit os i was using previously, so just spent a lot of time re-installing software etc.

After some more time with Viacad i felt compelled to buy Concepts 3D ;-) there was a lot of tools in concepts i felt i needed or just wanted, the Viacad toolbox seems very stripped down after EIM, anyway i bought it, so i guess you could say i like it !

Only real problem i'm having now is that exported fact files are not showing up in EI's texture editor, not too much of a problem with 3d shaders but texture mapping is total guesswork, i'll be reporting this to CSI or Punch asap.

Yeah i've had a few attempts at modeling guitars and never seem to get finished, always seem to have problems with the neck at some point or other, but i'm confident i'll get finished this time.

Reuben

[3dData]

Well.. i managed to get Viacad working on the 64bit os i was using previously, so just spent a lot of time re-installing software etc.

Only real problem i'm having now is that exported fact files are not showing up in EI's texture editor, not too much of a problem with 3d shaders but texture mapping is total guesswork, i'll be reporting this to CSI or Punch asap.

Reuben

I had the same problem, but I think I solved it by viewing the FAC as wireframe in the texture preview window.

[gdogfunk]

Hey guys...

I have ViaCAD and I can't seem to find an 'extract face' tool...I have a teardrop shape created that is hollowed out and shelled and I wanted to set the inner faces to one color and the outer part of the object to another color, but I can't seem to find the tool. Is this something in Concepts3D? Since I don't have it, might one of you guys be kind enough to extract a face for me (if C3D will do it)? Or perhaps I'm missing the tool in ViaCAD.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!

Ryan

[barnabythebear]

Hi Ryan,

I could not find this either. The nearest I got was to change the object type to surface:

Edit/Change Object Type/Surfaces

But of course you end up with a bunch of surfaces


ta

nige.

[gdogfunk]

Thanks for the reply...I actually got what I needed by exporting the shape as an SAT and took it into EIM and was able to extract the face. The new problem is that now when I deform the shape, the parts separate...no good. Still working through it...

Thanks!

Ryan

[Reuben5150]

Hey guys...

I have ViaCAD and I can't seem to find an 'extract face' tool...I have a teardrop shape created that is hollowed out and shelled and I wanted to set the inner faces to one color and the outer part of the object to another color, but I can't seem to find the tool. Is this something in Concepts3D? Since I don't have it, might one of you guys be kind enough to extract a face for me (if C3D will do it)? Or perhaps I'm missing the tool in ViaCAD.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks!

Ryan

In Viacad the only way i can think is as mentioned- convert to surfaces, in Concepts 3D you have the offset surface tool :)

Reuben

[WmH]

Thanks for the reply...I actually got what I needed by exporting the shape as an SAT and took it into EIM and was able to extract the face. The new problem is that now when I deform the shape, the parts separate...no good. Still working through it...

Thanks!

Ryan

Create a enclosing null. Link them (as children) to it and set them to inherit deformation and then just deform the null.

P.S. Although you already solved it by going through EIM, you can do it very simply in ViaCAD by selecting the face and select change object type from the edit menu (pick surface)

P.P.S. Yeah I just looked in ViaCAD you can uncheck "delete original" in the change object dialog, if you want to leave the original solid untouched (which will give you the surface (separate object(s)) overlaid on the original solid. I don't have Concepts, but I imagine the offset surface (as per Reuben) works (also)

[Reuben5150]

After some hardware and software issues i finally got some more done on the guitar model, i'm quite happy with how its turning out, Concepts is starting to bog-down a bit even when using layers and hiding objects not being worked on, but i guess this is nothing new...

The model is not strictly accurate but i have to say, the construction history is a real boon and out-weighs some of advantages of EIM i think.

http://www.affinity3d.com/tempimages/wolfie-Project_9.jpghttp://www.affinity3d.com/tempimages/wolfie-Project_10.jpg

[PaulS2]

It's coming along very well....a lot of detailed work there.

The construction history is very well created and have never had one hick-up using it...must have been thoroughly beta tested. It is a nice feature to have.

I was using EIM/Concepts over the weekend on a project and find they continue to work very well together. I had a piece, which after stitching together, in EIM just wouldn't round...exported as sat and re-stitched in Concepts. Everything rounded as required in Concepts....and then back to EIM as sat.

[Reuben5150]

It's coming along very well....a lot of detailed work there.

The construction history is very well created and have never had one hick-up using it...must have been thoroughly beta tested. It is a nice feature to have.

I was using EIM/Concepts over the weekend on a project and find they continue to work very well together. I had a piece, which after stitching together, in EIM just wouldn't round...exported as sat and re-stitched in Concepts. Everything rounded as required in Concepts....and then back to EIM as sat.


That's good to know, i had been wondering about which file format best to use for transfer between the two, i have a few unfinished EIM projects that would be handled better in Concepts.

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