spinning a canvas? corel painter type function?

[el_diablo]

You can't do that in photoshop. Its not doable until quad-core 1,5 Ghz graphics cards come out. Painter has been using so called 'magic' code hack to spin the canvas for the past 10 years. Adobe programmers can't use this technology becouse it involves gremlins. And we all know how gremlins look when you feed them after 12pm, don't we?

[CyborgChicken]

Grimlins or not, painter brushers and pad sensativity make me want to pull my teeth out.

[Hecartha]

Hey all,

I used to use a Pincel & Paper -> Photoshop pipe line then a Corel Painter -> Photoshop. Do my line art in painter or on paper and then pop it over to photoshop to neaten it up and color it. I have been trying to cut painter out because I just find sketching in Photoshop to be a lot more smooth, gracefull ect.. ect.. however, I can't seem to figure out any way to spin my canvas like I can in painter, does anyone know if this feature is in photoshop or if there is a plugin?Technically the only differences (about lineart) between the two programs are:
-No resampling using zoom in Painter where photoshop uses a little bicubic resampling
-No virtual rotation of the workspace in photoshop where painter uses it without resampling
-No brush stroke damping in photoshop where painter can assist you in drawing a perfect lineart

I don't see any other points which can allow smooth or gracefull lineart, perhaps it is the lack of resampling inside painter, i know from my experience it is really disturbing doing lineart.
My post is just here to remind you about the damping in painter, it is really usefull to make beautiful curve

[CyborgChicken]

Technically the only differences (about lineart) between the two programs are:
-No resampling using zoom in Painter where photoshop uses a little bicubic resampling
-No virtual rotation of the workspace in photoshop where painter uses it without resampling
-No brush stroke damping in photoshop where painter can assist you in drawing a perfect lineart

I don't see any other points which can allow smooth or gracefull lineart, perhaps it is the lack of resampling inside painter, i know from my experience it is really disturbing doing lineart.
My post is just here to remind you about the damping in painter, it is really usefull to make beautiful curve

Not fammilar with stroke damping? I searched on it and couldnt find much either, have any websites with info on it?

[Hecartha]

Yes, you can find it there in painter (one of the brush controls panels)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p76/hecartha/Damping.png
It is set to 50% by default but if you increase it, it will simplify your brush stroke avoiding annoying shaking effect of your hand on the tablet. I think it is really an excellent feature for big curve, I'm still writting about an inking process anyway

[CyborgChicken]

Yes, you can find it there in painter (one of the brush controls panels)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p76/hecartha/Damping.png
It is set to 50% by default but if you increase it, it will simplify your brush stroke avoiding annoying shaking effect of your hand on the tablet. I think it is really an excellent feature for big curve, I'm still writting about an inking process anyway

Thats really great for anything really. Very cool feature thanks. As for my problem with the brushers I was just a bit too lazzy to sit down and configure a brush that acted like photoshop's air brush or regular brush as it is now. I managed to get an oil brush that did something like that.

[Hecartha]

Thats really great for anything really. Very cool feature thanks. As for my problem with the brushers I was just a bit too lazzy to sit down and configure a brush that acted like photoshop's air brush or regular brush as it is now. I managed to get an oil brush that did something like that.There is not difference between the two brush engines about an inking process but there are differences if you are talking about the whole brush engine.
-Painter is not as good as photoshop with opacity, the opacity in painter is equal to the flow in photoshop, and there is not any equivalent of the photoshop opacity in painter as you can see there (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p76/hecartha/Opacity-System-1.png).
-Second point, the transparent system of the brush in painter is buggy and it can create artefacts if the areas where you are painting are transparent (the case of any empty layer) as you can see there (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=112&t=469864).

Anyway you can try two categories of my personal brushes here (http://hecartha.free.fr//Painter%20X/Digital%20Brushes.zip). But it isn't technically possible to do perfect clone of photoshop brushes.

Now I'm with you, it could not be more annoying...perhaps one day we will have the whole feature in only one program :D

[CyborgChicken]

There is not difference between the two brush engines about an inking process but there are differences if you are talking about the whole brush engine.
-Painter is not as good as photoshop with opacity, the opacity in painter is equal to the flow in photoshop, and there is not any equivalent of the photoshop opacity in painter as you can see there (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p76/hecartha/Opacity-System-1.png).
-Second point, the transparent system of the brush in painter is buggy and it can create artefacts if the areas where you are painting are transparent (the case of any empty layer) as you can see there (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=112&t=469864).

Anyway you can try two categories of my personal brushes here (http://hecartha.free.fr//Painter%20X/Digital%20Brushes.zip). But it isn't technically possible to do perfect clone of photoshop brushes.

Now I'm with you, it could not be more annoying...perhaps one day we will have the whole feature in only one program :D

Thanks for the brush set :) It's just very difficult to get a painter brush going that isn't "too" fancy and has some good pressure sensativity.

[DigArts]

I can't seem to figure out any way to spin my canvas like I can in painter, does anyone know if this feature is in photoshop or if there is a plugin?
CS3? Just a guess as I haven't explored it. I hear it's there though.

Dennis @ DigArts
http://www.gardenhose.com (http://www.gardenhose.com/)

[kraal]

CS3? Just a guess as I haven't explored it. I hear it's there though.

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no it is not

[DigArts]

no it is not

Was then wasn't I guess. Too bad.

[kraal]

actually there is an article that adobe wrote about how they cannot implement the feature

[el_diablo]

actually there is an article that adobe wrote about how they cannot implement the feature

Hence my sarcasm in post #2.

[Xdreamer79]

I have myself done a small workaround. I assigned F buttons in my keyboard settings as

- F5 > flipping canvas horizontally
- F7 > flipping canvas vertically

- F9 > flip canvas 90° cw
- F8 > flip canvas 90° ccw

In my wacom settings I just assigne F9/F8 to my touch strip field since I don't use the zoom function that much :) I know you can flip your canvas seamlessly in painter but not in photoshop, but maybe with some scripting you could code a script which allows you to flip the canvas less than 90° angles.

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