Posemixer with bones - rotation craziness

[bunk]

what I'm doing wrong?

Nothing. That's an old bug as far as I can remember.

Start with a fresh PoseMixer tag and drop the 'default pose' in as last.

It should work then, atleast it did when I just tried with your file.

Cheers,

bunk

[malthus]

Thanks bunk, will give that a go when I get home from work.

Do people often use posemixer in conjunction with bones (rather than for geometry morphing)? It looked quite cool when I saw it in the manual, but the reality may be buggier than the dream! I'd be interested if people have any views on whether it's an efficient way to rig something like a hand. It certainly struck me as a more flexible way of rigging the hand.

[etype]

Yes, posemixer is excellent to use with bones. Ideally the face and hands. Just keep grinding and it will work out excellently.

[malthus]

Thanks to bunk - your tip worked, so I'm very happy.

etype: I've not used bones in face rigging before (not that I've done all that much rigging before at all!) but might give it a go. Anything to cut down on the number of complete copies of my model I'm having to store as poses would be great. I can sort of see it being used to control a jaw but not much else though - maybe brows. Where do you tend to use it?

[etype]

This is my opinion on using Posemixer as a head and hand animator, along with other uses like wings, mulitiple legs and etc. Posemixer rules and it is as good as you can get at those areas...it is not only easy to use and maintain from scene to scene....it is a finely balanced, deadly accurate fully automatic 9mm with 14 in the clip. And you will be satisfied at how easy it is to pop all 14 straight through the bullseye, everytime.
So keep working at it....posemixer is easy and it's a dream compared to most other methods of facial animation using morphs. Worth every minute you put into it.

How would I use it? Full facial animation - complete manipulation of hand and fingers. Does it work well? - like a dream. You can have insane control over facial expression and achieve any expression you could concieve of...and more.

Do you have to store a lot of copies and so on? - Yes, believable animation is labourous and requires bigger files than non animation. Efficiencies include having the head and collar area, wrists and hands as seperate mesh objects. Learn to use posemixer in two seperate types - meshes and bones. The mesh for the head and bones for the hand.
I've worked with very high poly meshes in C4D and posemixer and had such a satisfying result I practically started crying. Posemixer used properly is a killer app.

[etype]

Sorry Malthus...i was responding to 'how do you use it' and didn't notice you had a file there to download. So i looked at your file and it's setup seems wrong. I say 'seems' because mocca has changed from version to version and there are small differences.
So i may not be completely accurate... (ie..Posemixer used to be an object in it's own right....not a tag applied to an object. And needed to be applied to the object to be morphed, not the morphs...)

Did you get it to work with the tip bunk gave you? I opened the 'curved pointer' and it was no diffent than the default. It didn't work so I threw out the two morphs and copied the l_hand twice and put them into the morphs folder, curved the finger in the curved pointer morph, made the morphs invisible, applied the morph tag to the l-hand in the mesh (apparently this is not necessary) fixed the bones in the mesh... and it worked.

If you can get a copy of the v.8.5 tuts for posemixer they are much more extensive than the 9.6 tuts and will answer any of your questions. No idea on the v.10 tuts regarding posemixer.
Again, Posemixer is worth the time you put into learning it. It is the part of Mocca that i think completely rocks.

[malthus]

Thanks for the tips etype. I misunderstood you before when you said you used posemixer for facial animation - I thought you meant that you used posemixer with bones for facial animation. I've already used posemixer successfully for geometry morphing on previous projects. For example, my animated Christmas card featured a turkey that could smile/gawp etc...:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwK-dKhccww
(Oh and I realised after I uploaded the file that I hadn't posed the finger morph - that wasn't where the problem was anyway, and I'm absolutely fine now that I'm following bunk's tip!)

[etype]

haha.... loved the christmas turkey toon! No i've worked with facial animation w/bones and other morphing systems. They no longer hold any advantages compared to posemixer mesh morphs for face and pmxr bones for hands whatever. I really - really like posemixer.
Also Capucinno is kool for repetitive actions.

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