CgTalk Daily Sketch 1010 : NTL: "Trio of Hunters" -HYPER REVIEW

[RobertoOrtiz]

BTW to start the conversation I would suggest we discuss how Kaladen did his wonderful Britney Spears piece. We all could learn a lot from this painting...


CgTalk Daily Sketch 987 NO TIME LIMIT "Britney Spears' (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=130&t=464956)
Kaladen
http://www.gorkovan.be/cgtalk/therealme.jpg

[kayness]

I saw that he started off with sepia first and then added the colours, which means that he could concentrate on the tonal values first before he concentrates on the colours. I am trying that method out in a piece that I am working on. I wonder how he did the skull/rose poster at the background and the lace gloves?

[DreamMaster]

Trio Hunters: Aliens. They hunt for humans, inspect them to determine if they're qualified. If so, they are sold as a slave. So, be glad that if you have been abducted and returned back to earth... that means you're not good enough to be a slave! Freedom! Freedom! Freedom! I say freedom!

Photoshop ... 2ish hours.. don't know. I started off with sepia colors for values and tried to use overlay for colors. Somehow, it ended up being blurry so I used art sharpen filter and adjusted the values with overlay and special layers... I usually don't do that because I feel cheated if I do that and I want to force myself to learn how to use colors directly instead of using contrast/overlay to fix it. Oh well...

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/beauty7/triohunters.jpg

[Mats Gustafsson]

My first thought on this subject is that it is really quite a difficult theme to illustrate. I have always thought that it is much more difficult to have two or three persons in a picture than if you only have one person.

Dreammaster. I think you have good lighting and the figures are interestingly rendered and stand out clearly from the background. My crit would be that the image is a little too symmetrical. The left and right figures are mirror images of each other.

Here is my own try. 45 minutes in Painter. I thought it would be interesting to try a different format. Very wide and small in height. I concentrated more on the concept I had in mind and not so much on details.

http://www.algonet.se/~matsgus/pictures/1010.jpg

[Shawshank]

Hey Sketchers

Mats Gustafsson - What a challenging format! I really like how you've started. I've done a paint over - hope you don't mind. What i suggest is to still show the relationship between the different figures in space by having them overlapping. (you were doing this with the rear two, but not with the foremost character). Also i felt like if you shifted the composition you would be able to subtly suggest something in the distance - not sure how you envisioned the landscape, (I've inserted some mountains...) ... Hope this critique helps.

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/andy24shaw/pics/KLB0r85u5A9Up3AD.jpg

As for my own Painting:

I thought i'd post a WIP just concentrating on values. My concept is that the Three hunters are Treasure hunters that are after some treasure being horded by a giant octopus. They've got crazy old-school Diving apperatus - Wooden barrels with steel bands that have windows inserted in them, with a tube for air. I want the suits to feel really banged together. I'm playing with adding a light source inside the barrel - maybe they've got candles in there :)

My feeling at this stage is that i need to imply some contours to the ocean floor. Maybe use fish placed at different points in the ocean to reinforce scale and distance. Also suggest underwater atmosphere with bubbles etc... What do you guys reckon?

So far its been 40mins in PS

http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/andy24shaw/pics/lux6WBBmhBu3vg2Z.jpg

[itsGuido]

http://sunhungry.com/dropbox/lux6WBBmhBu3vg2Z2.jpg
hey shawshank, sorry, pretty avg paintover but main suggestions would be;
giving everything strong light from above - gives everything shape.
maybe bubbles - mulitple leaks helps with the makeshift barrell idea (so cool)
could maybe work the pipes the same way too, different size/style hoses strapped together. Is thats a hose coming out of the front guy? seems weird.
I painted in maybe a cave for the octo, helps with scale etc. makes lighting more interesting. Otherwise yeh, keep going on it, loving it looks wicked.


http://sunhungry.com/dropbox/Untitled-2.jpg
Heres mine, i know it's about the hunters but i got stuck painting the monster. Thought i'd post it up cause shoudl really do some real work here! The hunters are giong to be the brave villagers who set out to kill this monster thing (who comes to the village at night and eat's the women and children) They're armed with primative farming tools etc. thnx!
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[Mats Gustafsson]

Shawshank. Wow! Thank you for the paintover that really made a difference!
It gave me a lot of ideas.
I have continued to work on my image along the same lines trying to exagerate the perspektive and depth as much as possible. 40 minutes more in Painter and Photoshop.

http://www.algonet.se/~matsgus/pictures/1010B.jpg

[embryotic]

K - i'd say that im not really in a position to critique Mats or Guido... anyways...

ItsGuido - I think that the colours are working well together the monster green is kinda stealing the focus - perhaps the focus can balance out by adding details on the bottom left guy? im in awe of those loose strokes leading my eye around sweetly!

Mats - maybe sharpen up the front guys face and shapes? but you could be done already because it looks cool already

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2918/triohunters2copyqu3.jpg

2hrs so far.

Im not sure how long the colour took..... another 2 hours maybe

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/4967/triohunters2colournr1.jpg

Thanks for the Crits!

I changed the sky and hope that the colour bought the styles together a bit more...

[xodibox]

Photoshop, about 2 hours. Trying to keep it a bit ambiguous as to who's the hunter and who's the hunted
http://www.quickbrownfox.ca/DSG/hunt.jpg

embriotic: really nice composition, very little to crit. The sky is a bit out of place, but for early stage, i think you've done a commendable job.

Mats: cool concept, forground is a bit soft for my liking. a harder silhouete and some more definition might help it out. The colour also seems a bit rosy for the environment. you could probably put a layer of atmospheric colour over the whole thing to tone it down a bit.

Dreammaster: I think less symetry would help this out. the two outside figures look almost mirrored.

Britney: for me the flatness of the face really stands out from the rest of the painting. everything else is so beautifully rendered, some shadow would really help... and yes I know it's not from this thread, but I think a bit more attention to the face would put this over the top.

[twistercash]

Oh man I can't pass up this opportunity for some hard core crits

I am about 4 hours into this piece but now I feel like I am not sure how to progress from this point. Please feel free to paint over or rip it apart.

Idea : Not so much warriors but the three spirit/gods that come to capture the spirits of those fallen in battle.
Mayan and Native american influences

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9901/trihunterscq3.jpg

Soon as I feel awake tommorrow morning I'd love to come back and give everyone some feedback. Everything looks really great.

[embryotic]

looks cool Twistercash - those gods kinda look like Skitches. the composition is central but the white outside area draws my view out instead of in, the arm is bending strangely at forearm and wrist (I couldnt fix it so I deleted it...) If its Mayan maybe you could put some Mayan designs somewhere

I painted over hoping to bring the focus in more and put in some underlight. - are you gonna put in any colour? - I bet it'll look sweet!

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1783/twisterpaintoveron4.jpg

[bluemattersoda]

DreamMaster: interesting use of colours. Though with such a menacing foreground i think it loses some imapct in the lack of a background for depth. maybe some sort of mean looking machine? But very nice brushwork!

Mats Gustafsson: again, id say the meancing tone loses a bit of touch because of the sparse background. but if it was foggy...well. Because they almost look supernatural, maybe glowy eyes? id say more shadows for an even more menacing look. However, ilike the use of colour

Shawshank: very detailed sketch! i most say the clarity of the foreground really draws attention, though the focal point (the octopus) i think needs to be a bit more prominent somehow...like more movement (ie, thrashing?) or even slightly darker. It just isn't drawing enough attention.

itsGuido: love the green muscle man! nice details! though I do think you should add more emphasis on the foreground man in the left...it detracts too much from the action, if the action is the focal point.

embryotic: im staring at it trying to look for something to critique. nothing - great work!. I really do love the sense of scale! maybe darken the elephants...i didn't see them in the first look

xodibox: very very nice colours and composition! though i must say that the faces could do with a bit more detail, seeing how the girls are the focal point...jeez, ive been using that phrase a lot haven't I?

twistercash: very nice composition! maybe make the shadow regions darker so that the figure looks more ummm, evil...menacing.

I hope that was helpful to everyone. Hopefully i wasn't too harsh - im probably not in a position to judge :)
overall, great work everyone!!!

anyhow, here's my mediocre attempt. an hour and a half, PSCS2. (the city is a photo) not the best thing ive ever done, though I might finish it later...any help would be greatly appreciated!!! thanks!

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bluemattersoda/hunterscopy.jpg

[kevinwalker]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/kevinwalker/1010_trio-hunters_800.jpg

ps cs 2 hours, filters and color adjustments used for the background.


bluemattersoda : the guy on the right close to us is so close to the guy sitting on the edge so they blend each other. and that guy's value should be not that much darker and his leg doesnt look ok. the position of the knee should extend from the helicopter.
the machine gun close us needs more details, especially for barrel.

twister cash : embryotic's edit is wonderful, but theme vise maybe the other 2 hunters should involve to the process, they look like side figures to over all theme.

xodibox: nice work, good light.

embryotic: very nice , but I sense style shifts, sky is in different style, mountains, figures and grass also,

[shapemaster]

hi!
i like this idea of giving feedback to each other very much, since my sketching skills aren't the best. I really don't think i'm in any position to judge other, but i'll try.

kevinwalker: first of all, the noses of those two fellas of yours really look wicked. i really don't get it. but that's probably your way of drawing noses.
also, the colours of your foreground and background don't match. it seems like the figures are floating in front of a picture.
your perspective is really confusing. maybe try to relate everything to one flee point.
in my opinion your lines are partly too messy (for example the face of the busty man)

and here's mine:
2 hours in photoshop. i hope the picture is clear. if not, the third hunter is the big thing in the background. it's trying to get the second hunter which is trying to get the little predator in the front.

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/812/trioofhunternq3.jpg

[Shawshank]

Hey guys.

shapemaster - i like your concept. They remind me somewhat of seals, but if they were huge and were the children of Jabba the Hutt.

Mats - i like the direction this is going.

Kevin walker - i like your style! personally i'm not bothered by the looseness of the linework. although i feel your colours could be tighter, especially when you get to the cat and mouse...

bluemattersoda - a good start. i feel like you could be a bit looser with your colours... maybe try adding some colour in the blacks?

embryotic - liking your paintover of twister cash's image. Esp the new hand position. i dont think the textural line work beneath the body is necessary tho...

Xodibot - nice composition and lighting...

Finally here's my 3 treasure hunters. As i mentioned in my earlier post, They've made some makeshift dive suits out of old steel-bound barrels with found pipes and tubes that provide air. They're after the treasure being horded by the octopus.

So far its about 4 hours inPS...
http://www.photopia.co.nz/gallery/andy24shaw/pics/lhMzA1ctZGeUICe2.jpg

Fuller size: http://forums.cgsociety.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=110543&stc=1

[twistercash]

embryotic! : Awesome,what a difference you have made! I think it was the right decision to delete the arm and I love what you have done with the lighting. I cant wait to work on it again tonight!

kevinwalker: I love the stylization of your pic It seems so random. I really like how the color on the character help them pop out from you background. I'd love to see the line work get some attention and get cleaned up and I think correcting your persptective on the background will help.

[itsGuido]

sorry has to be rush. got a meeting soon

shapemaster: cool concept! i think you need a little somethign more to draw your attention to the creature in the very back. maybe if just the mouth is a lot darker then it might make the character pop out a little more without making it obvious what it is right away untill you see the eyes. Not sure if it's just me but i can't make out what the front creature is? realy confused by it. I love the textures and colours you've got going on so far. Sweet

Heres an update for me, my computer at work died so i lost the highres layerd file! gutted. Oh well, glad i posted the update yesterday i can just paint over it. Worked on the characters and poses. But thats about all, the monster has an axe sticking out of him but it's not very clear at the mo. Cool, cheers for feedback so far :)
*edit. found some time to finish up all the figures.
http://sunhungry.com/dropbox/Untitled-3.jpg

[Wexter]

itsGuido: i like what u did with the motion sense of the drawing, it looks dynamic,i like that. The only thing that i notice is the guy far away, it could be clearer the way the lance fight the big guy, but the rest is very nice.
sorry about the little comment, but my English is not so sharp :)

here is mine 2 hours Photoshop and a little painter...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/5683/3hunterscgtalkbjy3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ransom]

bluemattersoda: I think thats a cool concept. I also think you could use a harder edged brush on the people that are closer. Some of the shaps bleed into each other, and i think tightening it up would make the viewer read it easier.



xodibox: What a cool concept! The girl most to the right looks distorted or out of perspective. The right arm needs to have a lil more foreshorting, maybe behind the body more. Also, the shadow for the hall way should come down a lil further to make the perpective match the rest or the painting.






My go, it turned out to be a long one. PScs2 about 5-6 hour in total. I really got in to it. Any crits welcomed !

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/1937/dragonsmallforcgtalkyy8.jpg

[ray-noa]

Nice sketches everybody!
Shawshank: nice underwater theme, mood reminds me Jules Verne's books I think.
Embryotic: moment of tribal hunt is catched great. Hunters are hiding, but I'm sure they will jump in attack in couple of seconds.
Xodibox: great work with figures, lighting, and idea.
Kevinwalker: most positive sketch, I guess mice with teeth is most brave hunter!
Shapemaster: scary creatures!
Wexter: nice mood of forest. And wearing of hunters represent their age clearly.
Ransom: I like face expression of front guy, my only crits about overall palette, I think it can be more in red/yellow tones for better dramatic effect.

Here's my try, two snipers and watcher, PhotoshopCS, about 50min.
http://www.redrum.org.ru/sceneart/albums/userpics/trio22222.jpg

[bluemattersoda]

embryotic (http://forums.cgsociety.org/member.php?u=128126): very nice colours! i love the bleakish atmosphere it now gives it. it makes it look more clinical, rather than raw. which I personally like.

shawshank: no comments from me: that colour looks great!

itsGuido: again, very nice. i think you nailed it. though i think you could put a background in...

Wexter: very lovely landscape details. However, the people's bodies look out of proportion, and the mens faces look somewhat the same...maybe look at pictures of people and try to adjust the postures and anatomy, and add some variation to the faces (though i must admit I can say that to myself too XD)

ray noa: very nice pic. i see the foreground is the focal point. however, the eye is drawn only to the foreground, and tends to draw attention away from the other snipers. maybe you should remove the vast black log on the left...i think that is too dominant. however, i really like the idea and the execution!

and thanks all for your advice: i greatly appreciate it. Of course, in the spirit of trying to improve, i have re done my initial paint:

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/bluemattersoda/hunterscopy-1.jpg

thanks all again for looking! please leave any tips and advice :)

[DreamMaster]

Whoa a lot of cool sketches out there! I know my sketch was the first one in the forum, but I kept my promise that I'll comment at least one and try to help...

Anyways thank you everybody for your comments.. most of it seems to be linked to mirror problem and the lack of backgruond depth. I'll keep that in mind. Thank you again!

Anyways ItsGuido: Very beautiful colors! One thing came to my mind, the horzitional level of the ground.. it seems to end abrutly like there's no more ground behind the green monster. Maybe put it a bit higher or at least show a bit more of it in the background?

bluemattersoda: I see some perspective problem. Perhaps you can google somewhere to find about one point perspective rule for artists... it's very helpful and would be very useful for your current picture.

Wexter: 3rd hunter is very hard to see... maybe put some contrast color for that hunter to be more visible? Right now, it's almost blended with the background so at the first glance, I thought, where is the 3rd hunter? Nice concept and feeling to it! :)

ray-noa: Very nice concept... although, the composition doesn't seem right. I too am drawn to that man in the very foreground, losing any "interests" to look at the sky. Maybe try to play around with the foreground to get eyes drawn to the sky automatically so we can enjoy it more than being confused.

Ransom: Very nice! Although, I don't like the color scheme... I think there should be more yellow/red colors to represent fire's light for more dramatic feeling to it. The gray part (wings?) is kinda confusing? The color of dragon and the wings are way different so at first glance, I didn't think they were wings til I took a closer look.

Okay, whew... hopefully that was helpful. :)

[MisterStash]

wexter- The color pallete reminds me of an old painting in a robin hood aged book, its muted and that really fits the subject. It doesnt reall "pop" because of this however, and maybe this was your intention, but Throwing in some higher saturation here and there (notably on skin gradients) miht give it a bit more "oomph". Also, the anatomy on the dude on the right looks a little more forced than the rest, like everyone else looks dynamic and acive and I wonder what hes contributing to the picture, subject or composition.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p30/mrstash/3-hunters.jpg

[Ransom]

Are these colors better? I also but more detail into the wings for the crits! I really like this piece!

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3654/dragoncolorcorectioncopuh5.jpg

[naetronic]

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/143135/143135_1174677502_large.jpgransom cool sketch so far! the color changes worked well, maybe push the orange some more. Also I think the pose of the dragon could be a bit more dramatic, right now it looks kind of relaxed, try stretching him out and putting stronger curve through the tail. And I think its right wing should be almost reversed on the x axis if were only seeing the (left) side of the dragon. keep it up!
trio of hunters - a bit cliche i know, photoshop around 3hrs-
above image is a bit more shadows and refining
http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/143135/143135_1173999449_large.jpg

[gulkan]

Some nice sketches everyone. Here is what I got so far.

http://www.dolunay-llc.com/gallery/3hunters.jpg

[Surrealix]

Well I missed the ball a bit on this one, I started this sketch about 2 days ago, forgot about it, then finally got around to finishing it tonight.

~1.5hr / GIMP / Tablet
I originally had three horsemen riding over the ridge, but they didn't end up in the right style and looked out of place, so there are the three predatory birds instead.

http://www.surrealix.com/sketch/daily/trio_of_hunters.small.jpg

Anyway, a few comments on the more recent pieces, although I feel odd criticising such good pieces.

gulkan - nice piece overall, and well done for the work on the wolves and beast, they're very good. The only really obvious anatomical problems are the front right leg of the beast, it looks a bit too long, and at an odd angle - perhaps it should touch the ground further fowards - and the front leg of the foremost wolf, which has a similar problem. Also, the terrain doesn't seem as detailed as the animals are, though this is probably down to time.

Naetron - wow! it may be very cliche, but it's still a nice painting. I don't really know if theres much you could do to improve this at all, but perhaps the riders could benefit from a bit more definition, especially in the faces. This is more of a style thing though. The horses could probably do with shadows too.

[Robertt]

Excellent sketches!

Some feedback...


gulkan: The angularity of your image really helps to convey the speed and urgency of the situation. Well done!


ray-noa: I like the sense of depth in your image. I only find myself wishing one of the flying creatures were slightly closer if possible to increase the sense of imminent danger and scale between the hunters and the hunted.


Wexter: I really liked your choice of colors and the overall composition, especially that each hunter had a different pose.


Surrealix: Beautifully rendered! I enjoyed your unique approach to the topic. Excellent work on the lighting and colors.



Here's my sketch, a trio of "bargain hunters" surveying some sales :)


http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r311/rtsketches/cgtalk-trioofhunters-web-byrjt2007.jpg

Photoshop / around an hour

RobertT

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