Adobe CS3 Extended Edition

[ThomasMahler]

You know, it'd be really interesting what the Extended version really CAN do. It's nice that it's for 3d and Video-Professionals, but WHY? I mean, this is like a product brochure which is saying nothing of importance, really. There's not a single example that tells me what Extended will be capable of.

[John-S]

thats because it states that this is not the release....

I guess its just a warning....LOL. Soon we will hear features. Adobe seems to be trying to tease us lately with thier little "whats in the box" website thing and the CS3 announcement on March 27th but no word on shipping dates and features yet...

I agree though, its kind of annoying. I have no idea what it does either based off that info.

[John-S]

I guess this says the most:

Q. What is Adobe® Photoshop® CS3 Extended?

A. Ideal for film, video, and multimedia professionals and graphic and web designers using 3D and
motion, as well as professionals in engineering and science, Adobe Photoshop CS3 Extended software
delivers everything in Photoshop CS3 and more. Render and incorporate 3D images into your 2D
composites. Stop time with easy editing of motion graphics on video layers. And probe your images
with measurement, analysis, and visualization tools. For all that is the professional standard in digital
imaging and more, choose Photoshop CS3 Extended.
**********************************************

I wonder what render and incorporate 3D images into 2D means?

[ThomasMahler]

Yeah. What are 3d images?

[John-S]

What does it mean by render?

[fasteez]

same as pdf 3D extension or what ? ^^

[mech7]

:)sounds interesting.. 3d capabillities in photoshop ?

[Fredl]

It's very sneaky that Adobe releases a version of Photoshop for "3D, video, film and motion graphics."

Are they going to charge more for it than standard Photoshop?

I'm sure Adobe will leave just enough features missing from After Effects, so After Effects users have to purchase Photoshop to get that motion functionality.

Photoshop Extended = Extended price

[lazzhar]

Maybe from now on Photoshop will deal "better" with premultiplyed Alpha.
Oh and why not have a node based or schematic view of layers :D

[bardur]

Didnt Adobe buy http://www.cameleon-labs.com/index.php?page=8
... maybe not
but anyways.. i HOPE CS3 will have the ability to paint on 3D objects IN photoshop... i damn hope they'll add it :scream:

Looking forward to CS3.. its gonna be great

Regards

[Spin99]

I have a guess, and if I'm right you're all WRONG! :buttrock:

Remember people compalining that Photoshop CS was so much slower than PS7
and didn't seem to do much more? Well apparently it turns out it's the way it keeps
getting updated to handle 32-bit FP colour (OpenEXR, HDR)
These formats are huge and used mainly with Film and Photography (?)

Why would Graphic Designers need 32-bit colour (opinions may vary here)
That's why many people decided to not upgrade.

So maybe Adobe is splitting PS into 8-bit colour (fast version) and 32-bit version (extended)
This would not only very justified, but plain awesomeness (!)
To previous critics, maybe the PS7 unbloated upgrade is finally coming out (CS3 basic)

Any better guesses most welcome ;)

[cresshead]

you can load 3d objects into it and paint them ala body paint

[mustique]

I'd like CS3 to have the AfterFX style effect layers
instead of the complicated smart filter layer workflow. :shrug:

[Fireburst]

A bit more info here

http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?email&NewsID=7459

[Andy1010]

From the articles it looks as though their opening photoshop up to a much wider market. It sounds great. I can see lots of VFX benifiting from this. From texture artist to, image modeling, matchmoving deriving measurements, roto work, painting cloning, dust busting, etc. Very exciting, I just hope the price isn't thru the roof. Also remember that they bought the Curious GFX roto package a couple years ago, and it seem to go no where. Well my guess is you'll probably be seeing some of it in photoshop. Just my thoughts

[ZippZopp]

you can load 3d objects into it and paint them ala body paint

did you read this somewhere, is this confirmed? if so i'd be very excited, but I'm not sure if this what it will have in it

[psyop63b]

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/pscs3_faq.pdf

Says it won't run on some versions of Windows Vista (Starter and Home Basic). Remember the good ol' days when software was either Windows compatible, or it wasn't? I can't begin to imagine what MS left out of these Vista versions that prevents you from running Photoshop.

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[John-S]

Yes, thats really stupid. I'm sure MS will try to change this like they supposidly are over the whole virtualization thing (not allowing basic versions of Vista to run under virtualization due to security?).
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/02/23/virtual.vista.ap/index.html


What is really funny about Vista was the whole download vista thing:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2098770,00.asp


Anyways no, I actually don't ever remember any good'ol days with windows ;-)

[cresshead]

Anyways no, I actually don't ever remember any good'ol days with windows ;-)


not that i'm a microsoft fanboy but without windows we'd still be buying $10,000 mac's as far as i can see microsoft changed the world of computing from ''the few'' to ''everyone''.

as for vista...well we'l see...it looks to be an adobe issue rather than a microsoft one.

[John-S]

Regardless, I'm one of the ones paying more for the mac so it doesn't effect me but hopefully they will get it sorted out for those that it does effect : )

[inguatu]

Regardless, I'm one of the ones paying more for the mac so it doesn't effect me but hopefully they will get it sorted out for those that it does effect : )

There are some programs on the Mac that do require certain versions of OSX. Shake is one of them. PS CS3 Ext may require latter versions of OSX too so not all mac users may be able to run it.

Running XP here so no worries about problems with Photoshop.

[iskon]

I doubt that it will have 3d texturing capatibilities. But it would be nice to make some competition to BodyPaint, which btw. has horrible navigation.
Hope it will be integrated in PS3.

[John-S]

I wasn't meaning that things don't effect mac users. We all know things do alot. I'm just meaning that this paticular one doesn't effect me personally.

One thing is for sure though, the majority of mac users update thier OS with every new release of OS X almost instantly but hardly any windows users (based on the xp>vista ratio) update thier OS to the next windows version for months to a couple YEARS later.

I know I won't be switching any of my pc's to vista until I get a new PC (if I ever do). I don't even think our PC's are capable of running vista...

I agree it would be cool to have a bodypaint type thing come out of this but I doubt it will be that good.

[NUKE-CG]

Anyone remember those rumours of AfterFX and Premiere merging into one application?

This looks like Photoshop and AfterFX sharing components. AfterFX grabs the text and brush tools, Photoshop adopts frames and filters.

[richcz3]

I guess this says the most:

Q. What is Adobe® Photoshop® CS3 Extended?

A. ....

Answer - Adobe® Photoshop® CS3 Extended is an application for which the computer industries have yet to build a PC for. It's so avanced - we have to send our developers forward in time just to beta test it on simulation hardware.

It simply does everything. It has so many features that the pdf document to store it all would most likely crash current high end computers. The Extended part is Adobes new finance department. We can extend credit to professionals interested in buying this amazing program. Either 15 or 30 year adjustable finance payments.

[John-S]

Lol.......

[Per-Anders]

I doubt that it will have 3d texturing capatibilities. But it would be nice to make some competition to BodyPaint, which btw. has horrible navigation.
Hope it will be integrated in PS3.

How do you mean (about the navigation in Bodypaint)? It's fully customiseable, and by default the same as Maya.

[Fredl]

Why is Adobe making a "motion graphics" and "video" version of Photoshop? What is After Effects for?


not that i'm a microsoft fanboy but without windows we'd still be buying $10,000 mac's as far as i can see microsoft changed the world of computing from ''the few'' to ''everyone''.
Here's a >>LINK<< (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/C91CCB7E-A668-4B0A-ABB6-98840AC8A317.html) to a story about Microsoft's dominance in the OS market, and why things are priced as they are. Please read it, as it is interesting and may surprise you.

as for vista...well we'l see...it looks to be an adobe issue rather than a microsoft one.
Do you have any technical analysis about why the new Photoshop won't run on standard versions of Windows Vista? Or are you guessing / hoping for it to be Adobe's problem?

[Lone Deranger]

You must not be seeing very far back in time then.

The very first Apple computer (the Apple 1) came out at $666.66,- and was designed to be used specifically by your average person rather than a college professor. It was the first home computer that had a keyboard and could output to a TV/monitor. Unlike the Altair 8800 for instance, that Bill Gates was toying around with at the time (which had mere switches and lights for an interface and paper tape for storage).
If there was any company that turned from "the few" to "everyone" it's Apple.

So I don't know where you're getting your $10000 figure from... confused with SGI perhaps...?


not that i'm a microsoft fanboy but without windows we'd still be buying $10,000 mac's as far as i can see microsoft changed the world of computing from ''the few'' to ''everyone''.

as for vista...well we'l see...it looks to be an adobe issue rather than a microsoft one.

As for the topic, I'd rather have Adobe strip all the webcrap and DTP bloatware from PhotoShop and split that off as a separate package dedicated to the VFX professional.
I'm not sure I understand what Adobe's trying to do here.... other than perhaps cunningly hiking the price of PS.

[Fireburst]

As for the topic, I'd rather have Adobe strip all the webcrap and DTP bloatware from PhotoShop and split that off as a separate package dedicated to the VFX professional.
I'm not sure I understand what Adobe's trying to do here.... other than perhaps cunningly hiking the price of PS.

They are bringing out two versions so if you don't need the extras then you can buy the standard version :)

[John-S]

So I don't know where you're getting your $10000 figure from... confused with SGI perhaps...?
Um, I think he's refering to the failer (due to the price tag) of the Apple Lisa which was the first personal computer with a GUI and was priced at $9,995.00.

After that the Macintosh was released at only a couple thousand dollars and that begun the into of the personal computer. Every school ended up with macintosh's etc.

Anyways, Back to adobe. I don't think the mac history fits into this thread too much so early on....lol.

[Fredl]

They are bringing out two versions so if you don't need the extras then you can buy the standard version :)

It seems Adobe just wants a way to raise the price of Photoshop. Which gives me another reason not to upgrade to this higher-priced Photoshop.

All versions of Photoshop should have extended dynamic range, because even consumer digital cameras have 16-bit Raw images.

Any motion graphic features should go into After Effects instead.

Are they going to put video features such as "deinterlace" and "video color safe" into 'CS3 Extended' and make you pay more for it?

I really don't like them splitting the product more. They think anyone doing video must be loaded with money and can pay more.

[cresshead]

adobe are just increasing their product range....photoshop elements, photoshop cs and phhotoshop cs extended...gives them 3 products not 2...simple as that.

re off topic area of this discussion
there seems to be an anti microsoft element to most discussions on forums thesedays
remember the apple quadra?...£10,000....

i'm not anti apple..i have a mac and will be getting a new intel mac to run windows in due course but without microsoft we'd be dreaming/renting time on pc's rather than owning them
ourselves outright.

get over it, microsoft help level the playing field mroe than build walls to fence off people who want to use a pc.

[richcz3]

I am betting Extended has something to do with the Macromedia buyout.
There were plenty of redundencies in Adobe products and I don't see Fireworks and Dreamweaver being made into stand alone products.

It could be features of Fireworks, Flash, Dreamweaver will probably be incorporated into this extended product.
• Multi-media Creative Professionals
• Film and Video Creative Professionals
• Graphic and Web Designers
The 3D side fills out the mix in pretty big way.

If it's implemented well and doesn't feel kluged together, it could be one impressive program. If it isn't, it will be super bloated.

[mustique]

There are half a billion users who barely scratched the surface of Photoshop.
I can see them shouting "hey look PS has got 3d now!" They'll end up downloading free models from the web and will call themselves 3d artists too.

Adobe knows how to push its cashcow!

Hopefully I'm wrong and PS EXT doesn't turn into an even worse bloatware.
I'd just like to see decent 32 bit image editing capabilities + AfterFX style layer effects.
Or maybe I should drop PS, use AfterFX for 2D editing too, and shut up.

[yinako]

photoshop already have 3D at work with vanishing point and some other tools, I see them extending on that for product design and web professionals. Its a lot easier than say learning something like maya to just render a wine bottle. instead they can make some kind of projection engine, just a bit more sophisticated than say vanishing point...

Also 3d painting is in so this will probably remove bodypaint and deeppaint off the world map, as long as they get a decent 3d engine to paint, but what are the chances of that...

[jeremybirn]

From reading this (http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/ps_psext_info.html), they mention "3D and motion support with the ability to edit 3D content and incorporate it into 2D compositions, paint and clone over multiple video frames, and more."

If they don't even mention 3D paint to create texture maps, then I wouldn't start speculating about that. More 3D transforms and projections could always be handy for processing environment maps and other things, even for people who also use 3D software.

Better tools to paint and clone across a numbered sequence of frames would be a much-appreciated feature that I've been wanting in Photoshop for a few decades now. Especially when you consider that most popular compositing applications have few (if any) built-in painting and retouching features, making it easier to work through multiple frames in Photoshop could sometimes be handy.

-jeremy

[richcz3]

Re-reading it, it may be limited 3D. Until they specify exactly what formats and how much control over rendering in 3D, I'll kpep my expectations reserved. The fact that they are positioning this version to include Manufacturing, Medical, Archtectural, Science and Reasearch professionals makes it interesting but still leaves more questions than answers.

[aaraaf]

Windows Starter isn't available in most countries (including the US, Canada, most of Europe and Australia... places considered "financially developed") and Windows Home Basic is really just for simple computer applications... web browsing light word processing and doing your taxes.

I'm guessing that these are more forgiving of cheap hardware and physical memory problems. If you're running a high-end graphics app you'll already want the better memory addressing in the more robust Vista versions (think Windows98 vs. WinNT or XP Home/XP Pro).

I don't really like all of the versions of a single piece of software, but our front office people who need to scan images and rotate and crop them use Photoshop elements. No reason to have them on any of the packages or a full $600 version.

[yinako]

I dont see why adobe wouldn't want to incorporate a 3D engine inside photoshop, its not something terribley difficult to do, and they already have the paint tools. Another possiblity for extended edition is to add, simple 3d that aid in painting or touchup, much like Zbrush works.

Now I'm getting my hopes up, but I believe something like zbrush approach to adding 3D element to painting and digital image manipulation is exactly what photoshop needs. you can drop a simple base object or import it and edit material and depth pretty much with paint tools.

zbrush does all this, but its not likley a photoshop user, say re touchers, concept artist etc, will jump to zbrush and use it just for the sake of getting perspective and depth in their work...

[Kabab]

Well adobe have licensed 3D technology from Right Hemisphere.

[yinako]

John Stewart - UBS

Okay. And then one other follow-up question with the Photoshop Extended. Looking out into the future of this product, how deeply will they start to compete with Autodesk products?

Shantanu Narayen

I think imaging, what we are finding increasingly, John, is that imaging is used in all these vertical industries to do a very extensive usage. And so, while we are supporting 3D models, the reality is that Photoshop will just continue to be used to create an image of it as opposed to doing the modeling. So, I don't really see Photoshop Extended as being competitive to what Autodesk is doing in the CAD marketplace at all. What I do see is that it allows people in those industries to do more interesting things by importing CAD objects and converting it into raster images.


source: http://seekingalpha.com/article/30149

[yinako]

"Easily render and incorporate rich 3D content into your 2D composites — even edit existing textures on 3D models directly within Photoshop Extended and immediately see the results. Photoshop Extended supports common 3D interchange formats, including 3DS, OBJ, U3D, KMZ, and COLLADA, so you can import, view, and interact with most 3D models."

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshopextended/motiondesign/features/index.html

I'm very happy to see OBJ support :D

[Spin99]

Ok, Adobe ZBrush is coming out?
So it's either ZB or MB + PS to get the full job done?

MB (Mudbox) or any other upcoming dispacement painter, most people already have Photoshop.
I can imagine a big wave of 3D art coming in a near future.
And then there'll be ZBrush artists too.

Exciting times we living in? ;)

[inguatu]

Ok, Adobe ZBrush is coming out?
So it's either ZB or MB + PS to get the full job done?

MB (Mudbox) or any other upcoming dispacement painter, most people already have Photoshop.
I can imagine a big wave of 3D art coming in a near future.
And then there'll be ZBrush artists too.

Exciting times we living in? ;)

yup.. both the hardware and software keep getting better (sometimes faster.. sometimes more bloated.. but all in all better).

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