KarateKID pt 2

[do0d]

nice work... looks something from street fighter... :D

[Kirt]

Forum ettiquette 101

You should credit the original artist when you post a colored image that was created by someone other than yourself (in this case the image is by Cleptocat (http://www.cgtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46552)). This prevents confusion as to what is and is not your work.

You should also get permission from the artist before you color their work (I hope you did, and I'm just mentioning this for all to read).

It's perfectly acceptable to post your color work in the original thread (assuming you have already recieved permission from the artist to color it).

[Nummos]

Well said.

I saw his original work and posted there.
As far as permission that goes out the window when a person decides to post their art work.

Now trying to use it or make money, yes for me moraly (ethicaly) that would be another thing and something I wouldn't do.

But I also don't think the artist will mind me coloring his work. I like this site. Laid back and intelligent.

Next time I will ask the artist. :thumbsup:

[Kirt]

Originally posted by Nummos
As far as permission that goes out the window when a person decides to post their art work.

I strongly disagree.

Someone's art, completed or not, is still something of their own creation (and therefore belonging to them). In my opinion, it's not polite to take someone's line drawings and color without their permission. That's like going to your neighbor's house and borrowing their car to go to the store and back.

Even if you return the car washed, waxed, and with a full tank of gas ... you've used something not belonging to you without their knowledge.

Just because the car is parked in the driveway for all to see, doesn't mean that it's there for everyone's use.

[Konstruct]

damn thats some wise shit- great analigyeeeee ( icantspell)

[chrisdejoya]

kirt, it's amazing how fast you get on there things.

[jadedchron]

<-agrees w/kirt.

[Nummos]

First off the basis in regards to your "TANGIBLE" physical apsect of reality is incorrect and illogical.

A car and what that represents in our means of society leading to factors of a person life, shouldn't be used under the pretense of what goes on here on these forums. It being an understood notion of what is represented among our present state of existence.(You and I typing and putting up work on these forums)

Putting his art work and using symbolic representation which has a meaning of reality in a form factor which will lead to a very different outcome on all notions of reality doesn't really par up.

One thing has nothing to do with another.

The principal or tactic of respect does (might), but to actually say that any body can (or should) respectfully and truthfully try to mimic a scenario as such with another given notion of materilistic versus intillectual pleasure is far off my friend.
Not trying to be rude, but I feel you mean well just need a bit more time to yourself for some formal logical insight.

Have a nice day, really.

(And if people don't realize what this whole computer thing means and internet is going to lead to, its time to clue up!!!)

[Kirt]

Hey, I'm not trying to come down hard on you. I'm just letting you know that there are artists here who would prefer you ask first (and I thought it was good info for others who might be reading this).

You're absolutely correct, "one thing has nothing to do with (the other)". That was an analogy. analogy 2 a : resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY b : comparison based on such resemblance

from Merriam-Webster Online (http://www.m-w.com/)An analogy used to illustrate the extremity of the statement you made. Maybe Cleptocat doesn't have a problem with this, maybe other artists won't as well. But I've seen instances here and on other boards where actions similar to this have led to rather harsh reactions on the part of the effected artist and others who support their views.

I can't keep anyone on the internet from doing this (or worse, taking finished work and claiming it as thier own), but as a Moderator here I can provide a little insight to the community etiquettes and general attitudinal levels of acceptance.
Also, part of the job as Moderator here, is to maintain a happy :D productive :bounce: message forum (i.e. preventing the aforementioned "harsh reactions" from occuring :argh: ). So, don't take it personally. I have no intentions of singling you (or anyone else) out for public belittlement. I just saw your post as an opportunity to explain how others may react to such an action.I feel you mean well just need a bit more time to yourself for some formal logical insight.Lastly, you really don't know anything about me nor my "formal logical insight". I may well have a PHD in logic for all you know, try not to make such assumptions about me and I will do the same in return.

Thank you.

[cleptocat]

Wow I just wanted some feed back on a style I toyed with severals months ago. But I have somehow managed to stir up a discussion on the theories of logic and reality.

Well this is a discussion I can do. In reality you should ask an artists permission before doing anything to his or her work, particuarlly in a forum such as this one. The logic behind this statement is that I am not a well known artist and my work is just as unknown. So anyone floating around through this forum could see your colored version and not the original.

Giving them an altered perception of reality.

I however would of given permission for this to be colored. It just would of been nice if I was asked.

The above statement of course does not exclude more famous works particurally the one you can be arrested for.

[Nummos]

Ok. ;)

[tvtuna]

Umm,.. I get the impression if no-one had said anything you'd have accepted the credit (ie. stayed quiet) for the entire piece, even though the sketch itself is the main attraction of the picture, not the coloring.

and you even changed the name. and omg you even removed the signature, I'll get you a coloring book for your birthday eh :thumbsup:

[Nummos]

TVtuna, go clean your room.

Slob.

[RazzMataz]

Okay, I am just very disturbed at this guys incredible lack of respect towards another artists work. Not giving credit
for something and actually erasing the signature is just plain wrong. No good at all.

Go clean your room, you say? Shame.

I am kinda suprised at the original creators lack of anger at this, but hey, that's obviously his perogative.

[tvtuna]

you must mean the kitchen, as.. it is actually a mess, but at least it's *MY* mess :thumbsup:

[cleptocat]

Its not that I lack any anger or more so disapointment its just that he obviously made a mistake. So I figure he/she either gets it or doesnt. Nothing else will can be said.

So lets make this a final post on the subject.

[Kirt]

OK ... what was a pretty friendly thread has turned ugly. Consider the discussion over. This thread is now closed.