PIXAR teams up with MIYAZAKI

[eliseu gouveia]

So, there IS a God....:beer:

[raffael3d]

thanks for sharing

[beaker]

John Lasseter a big fan of Miyazaki's work and executive produced Spirit for the US release, so Im glad that relationship worked out so well.

One of my friends went for an interview up at pixar back in nov-dec and he said that they were having a big weekend at Pixar where they had Miyazaki there. They had screening of his movies and Miyazaki was hanging out with the pixar crew. Pretty cool weekend to be at Pixar.

[Peter Reynolds]

Pixar's going from strength to strength. Brad Bird, Miyazaki...

[gruvsyco]

:buttrock:

[ceql]

Wow!!! best news I've heard this month!

http://users.bigpond.net.au/sequel/bigclap.gif

[monotypic]

+_+ omg.. i can die happy now.....
So, there IS a God....
^_^ heard that

[Spankenstein]

Ugh. Miyazaki SUCKS. Hello, I am a reasonably intelligent adult, who does not need your overly moralistic preachy crap shoved down my throat under the pretense of "Art." He has no idea how to convey an idea with subtelty, it always has to be smashed in your face so there's no chance of you missing his "message." From an artistic standpoint, his films are bleh. The same repetitive indistinguishable character designs, the same over the top symbolism, etc, etc.

He is getting WAY too popular here in the US simply because he is the HOT THING and Roger Ebert reveres him. The hype is not justified.

[feefunk]

Originally posted by Spankenstein
Ugh. Miyazaki SUCKS. Hello, I am a reasonably intelligent adult, who does not need your overly moralistic preachy crap shoved down my throat under the pretense of "Art." He has no idea how to convey an idea with subtelty, it always has to be smashed in your face so there's no chance of you missing his "message." From an artistic standpoint, his films are bleh. The same repetitive indistinguishable character designs, the same over the top symbolism, etc, etc.

He is getting WAY too popular here in the US simply because he is the HOT THING and Roger Ebert reveres him. The hype is not justified.


So what kinds of movies do you like... Heavy Metal 2??



:rolleyes:

[beaker]

>>He is getting WAY too popular here in the US simply because he is the HOT THING and Roger Ebert reveres him. The hype is not justified.

Your one of those people that have your own special band that is only yours because only a few people know about them and when they become popular and they start having their music on mtv you call them sellouts and you stop listening to them.

[Boone]

Miyazaki is a great animator and a great inspiration to the animation community. You are entitled to your own opinion.

[Reality3D]

False rumour
---
Wednesday's PIXAR rumour turned out to be a bad egg as well. A nice thought, but bad egg.

[ilasolomon]

Ugh. Miyazaki SUCKS
Spankenstein, I think you should go away & watch your favorite lovely TV series. Miyazaki is a TRUE MASTER & still in america they don't understand him, that's why his masterpieces do not sell like some (stupid) disney products & other cheap animation SHOWs.
at least his films teach to be polite, & you didn't learn that, yet.

[kwshipman]

umm....please dont kill me for saying this but:

Who is HAYAO MIYAZAKI?

[monotypic]

False rumour
---
Wednesday's PIXAR rumour turned out to be a bad egg as well. A nice thought, but bad egg.



** with big huge teary eyes** seriouslly? do you have any proof? i dont' wanna belive that...

[gra4mac]

We can still dream

Cheers, Graham

[Reality3D]

Originally posted by monotypic
** with big huge teary eyes** seriouslly? do you have any proof? i dont' wanna belive that...

Just see the same page
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news.htm

Wednesday's PIXAR rumour turned out to be a bad egg as well. A nice thought, but bad egg.

[Spankenstein]

Originally posted by ila_solomon
Spankenstein, I think you should go away & watch your favorite lovely TV series. Miyazaki is a TRUE MASTER & still in america they don't understand him, that's why his masterpieces do not sell like some (stupid) disney products & other cheap animation SHOWs.
at least his films teach to be polite, & you didn't learn that, yet.


Thanks for managing to not respond to any of my points and making blatant comments about my personality that you couldn't know anything about unless you asked your Mom.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ad infinitum

[monotypic]

for some reason darkhorizons.com never loads for me... my computer is actin up at the moment... but my internet seems to be working fine.... is it just down at the moment?

[eliseu gouveia]

Okay, now I´m depressed.

Thank God SpiritedAway has just materialised in the theatres in here, otherwise I´d be one really gloomy git right now....

[gra4mac]

This is the news item from darkhorizons. It's from wed feb 26th. The page is titled News and Rumours. I hope this is news and not a rumour,but...

BTW. What is meant by after Disney. I know Pixar want's to go it alone, but what is left in the deal with the Mouse, and how long will it take?

Cheers, Graham

Pixar Plans: This from Jessie "I have just been told from a family member that works in the great PIXAR labs that for Pixar's first project after Disney is going to be working with the master HAYAO MIYAZAKI for his first all CGI ENGLISH FEATURE!!! Holy FREAKING SHIZNIT! I thought my head was going to explode when I heard this. The guy that brought us {My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke, Spirited Away) is going to be teaming up with the Toy Stoy crew !

[monotypic]

*sighs*.. i was finally able to get darkhorizons to load up.... its true... the pixar + miyazakai colaboration was just a rumor...

i wouldn't belive it till i'd seen it with my own eyes.... unclouded.... ... or .....something like that...


:cry: :cry: :cry:
that's not right to play with peoples emoticons like that...

[Boone]

Hey Cheer up guys...I think Miyazaki is still making a new film. Princess Mononoke is the only one of his films I have seen, but I know this new one will be even better.:)

[Spankenstein]

FOREST SPIRIT. I GIVE YOU BACK YOUR HEAD.

*giggle*

[feefunk]

Originally posted by Spankenstein
FOREST SPIRIT. I GIVE YOU BACK YOUR HEAD.

*giggle*


OK, but you never answered if you like Heavy Metal 2 or not! What's a good animated film in your opinion and why?


:shrug:

[Ewan Lee]

Originally posted by Spankenstein
FOREST SPIRIT. I GIVE YOU BACK YOUR HEAD.

*giggle*

You're so silly!

*giggle*

Anyway what's so funny about that?

*giggle*

I think you're really smart!

*giggle*

keep up with the good job!

*giggle*

:applause:

[Spankenstein]

Hmmm, what do *I* like? Well, let's see...

That Cowboy Bebop movie was a pretty fine piece of work on every level. I have never seen better cel animation anywhere. Gets my vote for best overall animated film ever.

Ghost in the Shell always stands up as being a pinnacle of both thoughtful and beautiful anime.

How about the Macross Plus movie? Pretty fine, I think.



The reason that Miyazaki is tiresome is pretty simple. He is telling FABLES, not stories. His movies always seem to deal with a central ageless theme, something that has been in little stories forever. Something we all KNOW. Something that should be told in a FABLE type format. Short, sweet, to the point. When he makes us slog through a 2 hour movie full of flat characters with totally one dimensional motivations just to find out something we have known since we were children, it comes off being a waste of time and kind of infuriating.

[Boone]

Macross Plus? Ohhhh...snuggle me up in bed!!! The bit that makes me cry is when Miyoung( or whatever her bloody name is...) holds the wreakage of Sharron's hard-drive to her breast, and Sharron says that all she wanted was to make Isamu happy...life is just sooo cruel!:cry:

[Spankenstein]

Originally posted by Boone
Macross Plus? Ohhhh...snuggle me up in bed!!! The bit that makes me cry is when Miyoung( or whatever her bloody name is...) holds the wreakage of Sharron's hard-drive to her breast, and Sharron says that all she wanted was to make Isamu happy...life is just sooo cruel!:cry:

Heh. Its "Myung". I think that bit is only part of the movie, I dont remember ever seeing it in the 4-part OAV. But yeah, I know what you mean.

[monotypic]

Spankenstein:
cowboy bebop kicked serious ass... allthough if you've only seen the movie your SERIOUSLLY missing out. the entire series is like that.

hmm.. well.. at least you enjoyed that... if you wouldn't have liked cowboy bebop there would be no hope for ya. ^_-

i can't speak for anyone else.. but for me personally miyazaki films bring out my childhood.. in these days where the gods of our youth (disney) have turned sellouts... and movie's are jam packed with all the blood/sex/profanity they can throw in there.. its just nice to return to a world that's still innocent from time to time.

for me.. he's filled that void that disney's left unfilled. and its not like he's jumped on the "lets make kids movies" bandwagon... he's been doing movies like this since 1984.
not just that.. but he hasn't yet changed the focus of his movies. go take a look at his first ( nausicaa of the valley of the wind )

**cues up the "i'm giving a really powerfull speech" music**

yeah.. his movies arn't about kicking the most ass in a 120 minutes... they're encourageing... inspiring... positive.
*shruggs*.. i dunno.. i don't expect everyone to like him or his movies.. and i certainly don't think less of anyone who doesn't.
but... i'd encourage you to sit down and watch one sometime that you havn't seen.. ( in japanese btw not those terrible english dubs that they get stuck with )

:rolleyes: then again.... look who's talking about ghibli... i guess i'm kinda biased..

[t-toe]

hear hear!

the thing I like most about Miyazaki films is it's Eastern culture influence. the problem with many anime movies these days is the Japanese are bent on injecting it with the style of Western action films and the like. it's refreshing to watch something that is more Eastern influenced every now and again.

--t.toe

[Spankenstein]

Originally posted by monotypic
Spankenstein:
cowboy bebop kicked serious ass... allthough if you've only seen the movie your SERIOUSLLY missing out. the entire series is like that.

Heh. I have the Limited Perfect Sessions boxed set.

And I have seen all the Miyazaki films. And I don't watch dubs if I can possibly avoid it.

And as far as anime "selling out" to western influences, you need to get some more stuff that doesn't get shown on Cartoon Network.

Lastly, 99 percent of anime sucks. It is derivative, and designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The 1 percent that doesn't meet those identifiers is worth watching, but it's few and far between.
The crap that gets all the "fanboy acclaim" like LOVE HINA for example is just tired rehashed crap. OMG KEITARO GRABBED BOOBZ BY ACCIDENT, TEEHEE, HE GOT PUNCHED. AGAIN. Or that godawful waste CHOBITS. For every Azumanga Daioh and Cowboy Bebop there are 1000 shows that totally suck.

Before you tell me how great an anime is, ask yourself, "Would I watch this if it were live action and in english?" Probably not.

So I guess it could be said that Miyazaki doesnt suck as much as most of the crap out there. I stand corrected.

[Boone]

Re: Spankinstien.

Yup. It was the movie. Here in the UK, we got a DVD-Special pack with both the Movie and 4-part series in it. I've never watched the original Macross series though...something about some young broad singing J-pop to aload of Evil aliens and making them go mad. As you do!

[AJ]

Originally posted by Spankenstein
Ugh. Miyazaki SUCKS. Hello, I am a reasonably intelligent adult...

Ah - the definition of Irony... :p

, who does not need your overly moralistic preachy crap shoved down my throat under the pretense of "Art."

Could you give an example of this?

He has no idea how to convey an idea with subtelty, it always has to be smashed in your face so there's no chance of you missing his "message." From an artistic standpoint, his films are bleh.

Oh, bleh.

The same repetitive indistinguishable character designs, the same over the top symbolism, etc, etc.

He is getting WAY too popular here in the US simply because he is the HOT THING and Roger Ebert reveres him. The hype is not justified.

I strongly disagree with you... IMO, Miyazaki's films are superb pieces of story telling, they're beautiful, funny and create strong feelings of nostaligc warmth.

Hmm - how else can I put my point across? :hmm:

Originally posted by Spankenstein
His movies always seem to deal with a central ageless theme, something that has been in little stories forever.

Ah - you took the words right out of my mouth!

:D

[sdwx]

Firstly, I am glad Miyazaki is not making movies with Pixar (though this was never a consideration, just a rumour) or any American animation house. A joint project would only dilute the focus of his work.

I am not belittling the achievements or technical skills of Pixar or Disney - but they are not in the same league in terms of story telling. Even if he had complete autonomous control over the script and direction, any movie made in conjunction with a US based animation house would have to be 'focussed' for US consumption. Miyazaki always makes movies for specific Japanese audiences, I doubt he could write effectively for an American audience anyway - simply because he could not understand them. He understands his audience in Japan perfectly - this is a key to his success.

Secondly, I consider myself an Ghbili afficionado - I'm a 'fan' not just of Miyazaki's work but Takahata (Grave of the Fireflies) and Kondo (Whisper of the Heart) - and have been reading this thread with interest. Whether you like Miyazaki's themes or not, an intelligent informed person with a respect and interest for animation, movies and story-telling, would be foolish to deny that he is a master storyteller and the greatest animator of our time.

Thirdly, I didn't want to trade arguements with anyone. But Spankenstein's appreciation of 'Cowboy Bebop' has an irony that I cannot resist in commenting upon:

Many consider Cowboy Bebop to be a good 'anime', but the informed will aknowledge it is simply 'Castle of Cagliostro' (or any Lupin incarnation) in space (including a very similar Jazz soundtrack - though I love Yoko Kanno's work).

And who directed 'Castle of Cagliostro'?

Miyazaki-san. ;)

SDWX

[t-toe]

swdx, those are some pretty harsh words against US entertainment. while I will agree that the vast majority of films produced here are made for one thing, and one thing only: to sell tickets, I believe there are still a few people left in Hollywood who have some semblance of integrity. and I believe that John Lassetor is one of them. when he saw that Disney was skeptical of releasing Spirited Away after Princess Mononoke's lackluster performance at the box-office, he did everything he could to get it released, including becoming one of the executive producers of the US version, simply because he loved the movie.

so, I guess my point would be that while I would normally be wary of Miyazaki teaming up with most of the people in Tinseltown, of all the companies he could have chosen, Pixar would probably have been the best choice.

--t.toe

[sdwx]

t-toe -
no offence was meant to the US film industry/Hollywood, I wouldn't want to start a thread on that subject :)

I don't doubt that a movie made with Pixar would be a very good movie and a technical marvel considering the wealth of skills involved. My reservations are whether it would be as captivating as Spirited Away, Whisper of the Heart or Laputa - which regardless of their settings (Laputa was set in Wales) reflect a Japanese view of life. I'm not so sure, so this is why I am 'glad'.

My point is that Miyazaki makes movies for very specific audiences - each of his movies seem to define the feelings, hopes and fears of a generation, a Japanese generation essentially. Whilst his movies are 'international' in their appeal, as mentioned because they are essentially fables, Miyazaki has stated he only makes movies for Japanese audiences.

BTW - Miyazaki is already working on his next movie 'Howl's Moving Castle', based on a very popular children's book by Diane Wynne Jones, set for release in 2004. Which may be his most Western orientated movie so far, perhaps this will be a big test of my apprehensions?

[JohnD]

Cowboy Bebop definitely one of the best animated shows on tv now. Reign the Conqueror is another great one, with designing by Peter Chung ( did Aeon Flux ).
Some other great ones: Masamune Shirow ( Appleseed, Ghost In Shell)
Rumiko Takahashi ( Ranma 1/2)
Katsuhiro Otomo ( Akira )

But my fav is still the the home grown Don Bluth. Secret of NIMH is still one of my favorite flics and Dirk the Daring is immortal. Just a shame none of his films have really been box office breakers.

[beaker]

Originally posted by JohnD
But my fav is still the the home grown Don Bluth. Secret of NIMH is still one of my favorite flics and Dirk the Daring is immortal. Just a shame none of his films have really been box office breakers.
American Tale was very successfull. Made over a 100 million.

Also happy that bluth is doing a Dragon's Lair movie.

[fig]

Originally posted by sdwx
Many consider Cowboy Bebop to be a good 'anime', but the informed will aknowledge it is simply 'Castle of Cagliostro' (or any Lupin incarnation) in space (including a very similar Jazz soundtrack - though I love Yoko Kanno's work).

And who directed 'Castle of Cagliostro'?

Miyazaki-san. ;)

i was thinking that was the case but hadn't had a chance to check yet. its over there on my dvd rack :D

chris

p.s. if any of you guys could help find an anime film i semi-remember details of but have no idea what the name is pm me, thanks :)

[JohnD]

Forgot about American Tale. Thanks for the heads up.

[Trickster]

i sort of knew that! cos sprirted away is supported by Pixar!

[badkuma]

Spankenstein:

oops, point was already made.

Lupin>Miyazaki
Cowboy>inspired or copy?? of Lupin

[RobertoOrtiz]

I am a huge fan of Nausicaä.
I often describe it a snow white with a higher body count.


I have always considered the forgotten Miyazaki clasic here in the states. What I like about Miyazaki is that he makes 3d characters
that are not cliches. For eample Nausicaä was a pacifist from hell, and I loved how far she went to save her people.


-Roberto
PS Cowboy Bebop rocks

[Trickster]

i admire his hard work cos he done most of the refinings of the film, his love of machinery and totally ace stories!! laputa, my neighbour Totoro and hime mononoke are the best ones... i want to watch spirited away!! has anyone seen it? is it good??? :)

[ilasolomon]

is it good???
It's a Masterpiece, no matter how others judge about that. & I really don't care about other's O-P-I-N-I-O-N about miyazaki's works anymore. those who enjoy heros with big guns & killing taste! those who never have been in a real war anymore but enjoy watching people killing eachother....& so & so & so...
& here war is very close.

[sdwx]

I can't vouch for the US dub, but I have the R2 DVD as the UK is unlikely to see a wide spread theatre release and I couldn't wait any longer. The movie is very impressive, but it is a different kind of Miyazaki movie but has a lot of imagination and the scene with the Stink God is a masterpiece of timing.

It does have familiar Miyazaki elements that you'll recognise from Laputa and Nausicaa - though the character designs are different to his previous films, but the quality of his direction and editing is probably his tightest yet.

As to the use of CG - the coloring is all digital, with a lot of the backgrounds using subtle CG to enhance smooth transitions - mostly used for ocean and transparency effects. Sometimes they are so subtle that you will not spot them at all. Ghibli used Softimage for these effects.


SDWX

[Trickster]

it's a shame that UK isn't very open with the whole anime scene!!


do they use softimage?? i'm very new to this 3D stuff! even tho i don't have any 3D packages! :(

[sineater]

My taste for american animation went out the door a long time ago. What Disney did to both Princess Mononoke and Spirited Away is shameul. How could John Lasseter take top billing in a Miyazaki movie? Personally I hope movies like http://www.wonderfuldays.co.kr/english/index.php?sound=
get american release but hey perception not quality still counts in this country. sineater

[sdwx]

Trickster wrote:
it's a shame that UK isn't very open with the whole anime scene!!

Whilst there is a fairly big Anime scene in the UK, the mainstream media is pretty unaware of it. To most people Pokemon and Transformers are japanese animation - Miyazaki is relatively unknown and animation in general is seen as for kids only.
There will be little interest in the winner of the Oscar for Best Animated Picture, even if it is Spirited Away.

Trickster wrote:
do they use softimage?? i'm very new to this 3D stuff! even tho i don't have any 3D packages! :(

The use of CG was incredibly subtle, some of the sequences where they used CG composite affects you'll be surprised about:

http://www.softimage.com/community/xsi/mag/cs/volume_2/issue_1/ghibli.htm



SDWX

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