Ashes, Philip Straub (2D)

[kbarts]

Nice painting. But a bit chaotic for me. The idea is great to marriage abstraction and realism, but I think this time the eye can not find a focus point. It is only my point of view. Maybe I am not right.
Cheers

[Sviatko]

Fantastick world!

[EhsanD]

Hah this is wonderful :eek:
There is many thing to seeing ... I can see the composition . but it's abit hard for me ...http://qsmile.com/qsimages/39.gif
Let me look at this more ...
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[Philipstraub]

Nice painting. But a bit chaotic for me. The idea is great to marriage abstraction and realism, but I think this time the eye can not find a focus point. It is only my point of view. Maybe I am not right.
Cheers

This is good feebback- my response- not every painting needs a distinct and super obvious focal point. My work in particluar has rested on applying the very obvious single point of focus. I think trying to expand that concept into creating multiple areas of interest that guide the eye through the image can be effective too:) Some subtle chaos in an image can help accentuate the idea behind it..

Your point of view is absolutely valid0 but, for this image, I stand behind the composition:) For me this was a solid step forward and expanse of my skills and portfolio:)

Phil

[se7en-z3r0]

I commented on this piece on CA.org but I'll say it again... Amazing! I just bought and absorbed vyle's DVD too and this looks very inspired from his techniques. They really are up to some great stuff in Montreal : )

Yeah its a crazy mess, but I personally feel like thats the point. The depth atmosphere, lighting and texture really make you want to look at it. I can imagine walking around this place. Better yet fighting a war here. Long live chaos! : p

[Philipstraub]

I commented on this piece on CA.org but I'll say it again... Amazing! I just bought and absorbed vyle's DVD too and this looks very inspired from his techniques. They really are up to some great stuff in Montreal : )

Yeah its a crazy mess, but I personally feel like thats the point. The depth atmosphere, lighting and texture really make you want to look at it. I can imagine walking around this place. Better yet fighting a war here. Long live chaos! : p

Thanks man....you're definitely speaking my language. I appreciate that. Yes...I've definitely been experimenting with the whole custom brush thing....I think it's starting to come together...or at least I hope it is:)

Phil

[kbarts]

This is good feebback- my response- not every painting needs a distinct and super obvious focal point. My work in particluar has rested on applying the very obvious single point of focus. I think trying to expand that concept into creating multiple areas of interest that guide the eye through the image can be effective too:) Some subtle chaos in an image can help accentuate the idea behind it..

Your point of view is absolutely valid0 but, for this image, I stand behind the composition:) For me this was a solid step forward and expanse of my skills and portfolio:)

Phil

I do not want teach you :) You are a master for me.
Anyway It is a 4 stars picture (why has it only 3 now?) and my crit is not important...

It is not necessary to be only one focus ponint. Just it has too many for me:)
Let me share here a signed image where my eyes go round your painting :rolleyes::

http://kbarts.hu/tmp/comp01.jpg

If it is offensive (sorry i do not know the right word) I will remove this and apologize to you!

[Philipstraub]

I do not want teach you :) You are a master for me.
Anyway It is a 4 stars picture (why has it only 3 now?) and my crit is not important...

It is not necessary to be only one focus ponint. Just it has too many for me:)
Let me share here a signed image where my eyes go round your painting :rolleyes::

http://kbarts.hu/tmp/comp01.jpg

If it is offensive (sorry i do not know the right word) I will remove this and apologize to you!

No problem.....so that movement you've pointed out...is exactly what I was going for. In fact, that type of eye meovement is fundamentally what many people would consider good composition. Check out Andrew Loomis's composition section in his illustration book.

Phil

[pawelturalski]

Yeah, I agree with kbarts; I mean its great work but a 'bit' too chaotic. first impresion is great but when my eyes started to fallow all of those details i felt that i lost something. I couldn`t focus on painting finding more and more unnecessari things . If you decrease amont and contrast in details in the middle that should improve overall read.

[pawelturalski]

Yeah, I agree with kbarts; I mean its great work but a 'bit' too chaotic. first impresion is great but when my eyes started to fallow all of those details i felt that i lost something. I couldn`t focus on painting finding more and more unnecessari things . If you decrease amont and contrast in details in the middle that should improve overall read. 3*

[proconpictures]

the loomis books are great and your environments rock.
great concept this is.

[notpill]

The first sight feeling it's something like "mmm... Straub not at his best" :)
But this painting it's really, really eye catching. Strange thing... like an hypnotical effects.
It remember what happen (to me) in some Android Jones pics when you can see all that kind of 'microcosm' here an there.

Stunning. My very rare 5*



(plz forgive my english)

[Philipstraub]

The first sight feeling it's something like "mmm... Straub not at his best" :)
But this painting it's really, really eye catching. Strange thing... like an hypnotical effects.
It remember what happen (to me) in some Android Jones pics when you can see all that kind of 'microcosm' here an there.

Stunning. My very rare 5*



(plz forgive my english)

thanks man...it means a-lot...I just need to keep growing and experimenting...I only hope people will come along for the ride.

Phil

[kbarts]

No problem.....so that movement you've pointed out...is exactly what I was going for. In fact, that type of eye meovement is fundamentally what many people would consider good composition. Check out Andrew Loomis's composition section in his illustration book.

Phil

You reach your goal. I can't stop looking your image! Every time a find something new on your picture.

Cheers

Bence

[MIKECORRIERO]

Hey Philip,
I like the color and the idea of what's going on. The oval composition leading your eye around the entire page does work "when it's pointed out" I do agree to some degree though that the image is a little hectic. I like the abstract garbage dump/landfill feeling and the little figures help with scale as does the spaceship coming in out of the right corner. I think if you defined a few more flat surfaces or platforms and a couple more plains of depth it would be easier on the eyes. This reminds me a bit of how Andrew works when he creates his abstract cities and such.

Nice piece overall

Mike Corriero -

[Philipstraub]

So....since it seems like a-lot of people feel the image is too busy.... I felt there had to be something to it, even though I couldn't really see it. So, I an alternate version...please take a look and tell me what you think.

Thanks!

http://www.philipstraub.com/assets/Concepts/garbage_dump3.jpg

[MIKECORRIERO]

Hey Philip,
Altering the lighting to keep the focus more toward one particular area does help to a degree. When looking at both images as a thumbnail next to each other the new lighting works better and makes it easier to enjoy the image. I think that what might work is lessening the amount of details on some of the structures off to the left foreground, providing some strong focal designs/platforms where your light source is now directing the viewers eye which where the main right foreground/middle ground structure is located. This is all just personal advice and personal taste. I would continue those flat platform paths where you have the two guys standing at the bottom and incorporate something like that where the light source is now hitting the large structure at the right foreground/middle ground. Perhaps have it wrapping around from left to right. Try to lose a bit of the textures overlaying each other in that area and define a few clearly recognizable structural forms within the chaos and I think it will harmonize the piece.

Just my 2 cents, I hope it made some sense too.. Always interesting to see your work and to see you trying out new things. Keep up the good work.
Mike C -

[Philipstraub]

Good advice Mike...I like it. Gotta go take the chicky out for valentines day but I will try your suggestions and see what I can come up with. This is pissing me off anyways becuase I have 3 other paintings that are close to be finished and I want to get to them but, I also want to resolve this image in some way..


Anyway...thanks for your advice and please try and check back if you can over the next 1-2 days...I also posted on Conceptart. org so lets see what the masses say over there...ahh to be an obsessive artist...

Phil

[kbarts]

I agree with Mike, it is better.

So, now i noticed there is a car wreck in the middle which is a bit huge. Or the two people (?) are little in the foreground.
Okey, i stop to critise your work.

I am waiting your next paintings:)

Cheers:

Bence

[DarkSkills]

Fantastic! The chaos pulls you in and you can't look away. Great atmosphere and colors! :thumbsup:

[kaladen]

Wouaw, that's what I call chaos. Great composition, I like the feeling of being lost by the details and in the same time focus on a particular point. The main thing that comes to me is a bit strange but I can't stop looking at those two men, especially the one who seems to run. I like when you place small characters, it's a detail but when it's done in the right way, it brings life and a story to come.

(and by the way you're fast, grrrr)

[Philipstraub]

I agree with Mike, it is better.

So, now i noticed there is a car wreck in the middle which is a bit huge. Or the two people (?) are little in the foreground.
Okey, i stop to critise your work.

I am waiting your next paintings:)

Cheers:

Bence

I can't get anything past you man...remember this was a speed painting so it was more a focus on effect...but you're right...I better fix that:)

[Agata]

I'm absolutely found of it!
I feel close to this kind of abstractions, without any more explications. ;)

Did you think to do a cycle, Philip ?

[Philipstraub]

I'm absolutely found of it!
I feel close to this kind of abstractions, without any more explications. ;)

Did you think to do a cycle, Philip ?

Thank you...do you mean by cycle..like a series?

[Agata]

Yes, like a sort of walk in the same world but with differents approaches.
I like variations on a subject, I confess. :)

I find that your picture is an exellent exemple of this possibility, because it makes us want to continue this way througt other angles, and other emotions...

[d3cap]

Totally digging your abstractions.

-J

[rawwad]

Stunnig piece:eek: I like it so much, now I know how I will be better in 2D paintings ..... I must study your work:D Seriously it looks absolutly amazing for me, then 5 stars, ... hmmm? again:D

[Ionflux]

There's quite a lot of WTC ruin parts in it. :twisted: Interesting, they do not really jump out of the image, but I think they work towards the mood.

[livingrope]

I think this post is interesting in the fact that it's clear that people around aren't accustomed to abstraction at all. Abstraction is not about what you see but what you actually feel. It's about forms and shapes into space.
I like this composition very much and I think it's pretty well balanced.
IMHO, all the critics I've read before are pointless.

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