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MrWyatt
02-26-2003, 11:15 AM
I just wondered. Im throu with university in about a year, and try to figure out how good my chances are to get in the industry after Im finished. All over it says " minimum of 2-5 years of experience in an production environment a must". Well I understand that very well, because you dont get paid to learn how to work in a team but you get paid to know how to work in a team ( not to mention strict deadlines). The tricky part is first: how do I get experience in an production environment when I dont get into a production environment in the first place, due to a lack of experience. And second: If some studios hire internships, do they pay enough so that you dont have to work every night in a gas station to make a living? Are interships actually payed or are you supposed to work fer 2-5 years without getting paid, just to hear after that time: " Well, boy. Now you have your 2-5 years of experience, now go and get a job elsewhere, oh , and thanks for the good coffee you made, well really miss it."
Is there actually something like a red line one has to follow to get a real job, and has talent ( not talent in making good coffee) has a lot to do with it? I mean, I have nothing against interships, as long as I can pay the rent , the food, clothes and insurences without having to work 24/7.

Does anybody know the answers to any of the above questions? Take your time, I actually have allmost a year before I finish school. But thanks in advance anyway.

PHILL_JAMES2000
02-26-2003, 11:41 AM
well, you could look for 'junior' positions, tends to occur if companies are doing well, expanding, and need a slave to do menial tasks :D I don't know about interns, but if you just applied to places for work experience then you wouldn't get paid but it's a good foot in the door, I work now for the company i did work experience for during my 2nd year at degree (just before i left, actually...long story) :)

froggyplat
02-26-2003, 11:48 AM
i think trying to find an internship now is your best bet. even if you're just answering phones or running errands, if you are at least working at a company that matches your career goals then you pretty much already have your foot in the door.

best to make the plans now, because believe me, you don't want to get out of school and THEN start looking for work (my situation).

and don't underestimate networking. having good contacts might get you your first opportunity a lot more easily then sending out reels blindly.

SplineGod
02-26-2003, 12:09 PM
Work on a short film, put together a nice demo reel, make contacts etc etc. Ive found that most job postings are very generic. Ive worked with guys with little production experience who kicked ass and Ive worked with some guys that have been doing this for years but should really be in the food service business. Many times those job posting are thrown out their by ppl not really hiring but simply trolling for resumes.
The bottom line is if youre good and persistant youll be hired. Above all make contacts. If an insider recommends you and you can back it up with a decent reel youll be hired.

MrWyatt
02-26-2003, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by SplineGod
Work on a short film, put together a nice demo reel, make contacts etc etc. Ive found that most job postings are very generic. Ive worked with guys with little production experience who kicked ass and Ive worked with some guys that have been doing this for years but should really be in the food service business. Many times those job posting are thrown out their by ppl not really hiring but simply trolling for resumes.
The bottom line is if youre good and persistant youll be hired. Above all make contacts. If an insider recommends you and you can back it up with a decent reel youll be hired.

WOW!
That really made my day. Thanks.
I work on a short film ( for my diploma) and at least I intend to make it as butt kickin as possible.
Ill go for a 35mm endformat and will send it to all festivals that I can find, hoping it will be screened and get some attention. beyond that I made some visual effects on different video productions here in filmclass and will do a demoreel as soon as I have some real fancy material to compile. Hope you are right about the flexibility of studios, and that talent still helps to open some doors.

:)

Miyazaki
02-26-2003, 12:27 PM
The perfect 3dartist:
- Max. 21 years old,
- degrees in art and information science
- 10 years practice at ILM or Pixar
- knowledge of all 3d packages.
- perfect modeling and animation skills
- speaks C,C++,C#, and all scripting languages fluently.
- laederships
- polyglot(min 3 languages)
- no family/children
- works 20 hours a day, weekends included
- athletic, plays soccer, tennis and is member of 2 fitness clubs

:surprised

MrWyatt
02-26-2003, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Miyazaki
The perfect 3dartist:
- Max. 21 years old,
- degrees in art and information science
- 10 years practice at ILM or Pixar
- knowledge of all 3d packages.
- perfect modeling and animation skills
- speaks C,C++,C#, and all scripting languages fluently.
- laederships
- no family/children
- works 20 hours a day, weekends included
- athletic, plays soccer, tennis and is member of 2 fitness clubs

:surprised

- batteries not included.
:annoyed:

SplineGod
02-26-2003, 12:37 PM
If you go to an interview, they love your work, you are knowledeable, geat along well with others and they think youre fast but wont hire you because of a lack of "production experience" then they are idiots and you probably shouldnt be working there anyways.

SplineGod
02-26-2003, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by Miyazaki
The perfect 3dartist:
- Max. 21 years old,
- degrees in art and information science
- 10 years practice at ILM or Pixar
- knowledge of all 3d packages.
- perfect modeling and animation skills
- speaks C,C++,C#, and all scripting languages fluently.
- laederships
- polyglot(min 3 languages)
- no family/children
- works 20 hours a day, weekends included
- athletic, plays soccer, tennis and is member of 2 fitness clubs

:surprised
Thats not an artist thats the Rainman. :)

wgreenlee1
02-26-2003, 12:44 PM
laederships




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Miyazaki
02-26-2003, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by wgreenlee1
??????????????????????????
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I mean leadership qualities (in order to lead a team).

wgreenlee1
02-26-2003, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by Miyazaki
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I mean leadership qualities (in order to lead a team).

Oh,I thought that mighta been some new Lightwave plug~in I wasn't aware of. :shrug:

Miyazaki
02-26-2003, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by wgreenlee1
Oh,I thought that mighta been some new Lightwave plug~in I wasn't aware of. :shrug:
Is this sarcasm? Then why the ????????. Please explain it, there`s no reason to be rude....
:shame:

S_3D_A
02-26-2003, 02:36 PM
Very nice thread Wyatt. Giving the economy in the US atm and depending on location it can be very hard to find a job so I can definitly feel where you are coming from.

My suggestions would be to try to get any internships you can while you are still in school or start researching companies that you think could really use you. I find that if you are an expert in one thing they will pick you over anybody that is an all around type of person. This is my opinion from exp anywayz.

If you don't land that first gig straight out of college don't get down on yourself or give up. At times this industry can be really hard to break into. I just really hate to see such talented 3D artists that don't land a job right after college that just shove all there 3d apps under the table to collect dust.

Be persistent. If you need to go back to the drawing board then do it. I find that most colleges limit your creative freedom. Now you have the time to really work on stuff you like.

There is nothing wrong with working at a gas station once you grad. Hey it happens just don't stop persuing your dream. Hey I speak from experience:)

Mr Wyatt you also have the option of going freelance. Its not glamorous but hey you get to work for yourself and you dont have any bosses breathing down your neck. But you must maintain your deadline. There are alot of pros and cons but in the long run if you work hard it can be very rewarding

-Starving 3D Artist

wgreenlee1
02-26-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Miyazaki
Is this sarcasm? Then why the ????????. Please explain it, there`s no reason to be rude....
:shame:

Oh for cryin out loud it was just a observation for petes sake.
Why are you getting so offended over such a small deal?

manfriday
02-26-2003, 04:23 PM
some people get so upset over the blatant misuse of punctiation!
;)

Soulcialism
02-26-2003, 04:27 PM
wyatt i'm in the same boat as you, except a little further downstream.

i'm headed to graduate in april of this year with a degree in information science and a minor in art. however, my college doesn't have any 3d modelling classes, and i havne't had the ability or money to get software so i could learn on my own. i'm taking one class at a different college this semester in lightwave (which i love) but i'm not sure where my skill will be at the end of this semester, probably not high enough to score a desired job. so for now i'm just trying to get my foot in the door by talking to local companies who hire 3d modellers to see if they need/are willing to take understudies and interns, and even if i just do part time understudy work for one of these companies so i can learn and eventually put together a portfolio/demo reel, i'll be happy working the gas station bit in the meantime knowing that i'm working towards my eventual goal of being a legit 3d modeller, hehe.

i guess that's not much advice really, just empathy because i'm in the same situation as you.

Miyazaki
02-26-2003, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by wgreenlee1
Oh for cryin out loud it was just a observation for petes sake.
Why are you getting so offended over such a small deal?
Sorry, this was just a misunderstanding, my fault. Hope you forgive me http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000292.gif

PHILL_JAMES2000
02-26-2003, 04:42 PM
well, i do, but don't do it again!! :) :xtreme:

Miyazaki
02-26-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by PHILL_JAMES2000
well, i do, but don't do it again!! :) :xtreme:
I promise. http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000950.gif anymore. Love and peace for the whole world. http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000358.gif

PHILL_JAMES2000
02-26-2003, 05:02 PM
http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000358.gif indeed....

-mindcache-
02-26-2003, 05:06 PM
Originally posted by PHILL_JAMES2000
http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000358.gif indeed....

I see a contradiction in images. Peace vs. Phil's Avatar. I think peace is going to get devoured :twisted:

PHILL_JAMES2000
02-26-2003, 05:08 PM
.....this is a possibility.....he's not eaten in a while, actually.... :D

wgreenlee1
02-26-2003, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Miyazaki
I promise. http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000950.gif anymore. Love and peace for the whole world. http://www.smiliemania.de/smilie/00000358.gif




:cry:

PHILL_JAMES2000
02-26-2003, 05:46 PM
it's alright, don't cry, it's getting better :)

PolyMangler
02-26-2003, 06:26 PM
well i was in the same boat as you not too long ago...got my art degree set out on the world and found that the door to opertunity didn't even have a door knob :) this was right after 9/11 so things were understandably bare.....not too diffferent from right now i'd imagine though. anyway after a year of picking up new skills and moving from here to there i finally just got fed up with the want ad's and just made a list of all the production compaines within 20 miles of me and just visted them .....the 5th one i went to (very small production company) had this huge project coming up and they really wanted 3d but didn't have anyone in town that could do it. when i came in me and the editor chatted for a while about the company and what was going on in it...i came back the next day unprompted with a rough of some animation i just threw together taht had to do with the project at hand...about 3 or 4 shorts of logo fly's a lip sync, easy stuff.....he offerd me a substancial amount to finish em out and render em'......since then i've worked freelance/hourly for the past 2 months very happily...i'm not getting top dollar for what i do but i'm getting by and getting in experiance and more importantly making contacts.

so in short, keep it up. be confident.....be posative...and be very very persistant, and something WILL come up for you...like my friend always tells me "the squeeky wheel always gets greased".....good luck man

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