FFX2 latest trailer

[Pyro2301]

Oh man I wish this would download faster. Thanks for posting this!

:buttrock:

[eliseu gouveia]

WOW, I liked it A LOT, but why do I get the feeling I´m watching a rerun of that HIDEOUS ff8 all over again, right down to the Ragnarok-looking ship?

Hmmm.........

[Per-Anders]

the best one i still ff7, the right blend of future and retro, post apocalypse and fun. ultra cute characters, who talked about outrageously heavy stuff (i destroyed the lives of everyone in my hometown), huge long plot, great characters, just enough realism and fun in teh fight sequences, cute anime babes, heroes who changed and had depth over the course of the game... characters who you could empathise with... cut scenes that didn't take forever to load.

ff8 was too realistic, but to me as a result it felt too false and cg ey to suspend disbelief, which is odd considering how patently unreal the characters in ff7 were, i guess they just had "life".

[ambient-whisper]

6 man.. 6!!! thats what its all about :D

btw. cool. looks like they got some stuff from chrono trigger in there. ( the dual-n-tripple attacks :D )

[eliseu gouveia]

Never got the chance to play 6* (they say it had one AWESOME story...), but 7 was definitelly a landmark, oh yeah. :)


*actually, I DID buy it a couple of months ago and couldn´t get past the graphics, 5 years is too long a period in the History of videogames....:shrug:

[ambient-whisper]

neah its fine :) i just played it a bit a few days ago :D
its worth it for the enemy designs alone :D

http://ambient-whisper.cgcommunity.com/images_dump/ff6-atma-weapon.jpg

http://ambient-whisper.cgcommunity.com/images_dump/ff6-Rider.jpg

[eliseu gouveia]

What in Sprites´name....!!

I never saw beasts like those when I first played it (well, to be honest only dwelt in some snowish landscape at the very begining with Biggs, Wedge and some girl before getting ripped to shreds by some big bad boss in an ice cave).
Now I´m inspired, I think I´m gonna give it a chance again. :)

[Maroonie]

Oh man :(

I'm stuck on 56k!

M

[Per-Anders]

we need a ff poll to see which people think is the best, and finally lay this one to rest.

[ambient-whisper]

problem with this is...a lot of people havent played FF games below 7... meaning they wouldnt know :)

[deepinspace]

ff3 (japanese 3 not u.s. 3) is da' best!!!

[gnarlycranium]

http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/CUSSING.GIF Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!! Okay, the second half of it looked kinda cool... but fer cripes sake what is WITH THE STUPID KITCHY POP MUSIC VIDEO JUMPY SINGY CRAP?!! AND THE DISSOLVING SAILOR MOON WARDROBE CHANGES?!!! The anorexic 12 year old Christina Aguilera wanna be in thongs look was bad enough, but now they go and dump tons of CHEESE all over it! I hate it! I mean I really hate it!! http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/CRYING.GIF

[digital_rhino]

Is this game ever comming out in a US vesion?

[Boone]

I'm sorry, but FF8 was the best of the lot because Ultimecia had the best sound-track - "Extreme". Although I think Seymours final battle in FF10 is a close second...

"Curse all seeds!"

"Death awaits you!"

...wow.:love:

[eliseu gouveia]

Here we go........:rolleyes:

[RISKBREAKER]

Here we go........

Here we go!? Hush. With all these things you say, you seem like one of those mainstreamers who only play the game coz 'everyone says its cool' or whatever. I mean, crap, you were surprised at a couple FF6 screenshots!
OK, OK, Im sorry if this sounds like Im trying to rip into to you..Im not.

FF8 had awesome visual designs, nice battle sequence directions (summons), and a cool story (and character plots) . Granted the game was a bit too easy, and the character's status development kinda sucked...but ...eh what the hell..

If by story and Visual design only, FF8 was the best IMO....

But other than that, FF7 tops it all. Cloud and Sephiroth...Cant beat a rival pair like them.

Oh yeah, and outside of FF series, Chrono Trigger was golden:drool:

[gnarlycranium]

FF7 was pretty darn cool, that's all there is to it. I haven't played 8, so I can't comment on that... but one thing I do know. Auron needs his own game. No anorexic 12 year olds, just Auron kicking some ass. Ooooh! :cool:

[RISKBREAKER]

Auron? aw hell yeah.

And how about those one liners:

"The red carpet have teeth"

"Your pain shall be two-fold!"

[eliseu gouveia]

Originally posted by RISKBREAKER
Here we go!? Hush. With all these things you say, you seem like one of those mainstreamers who only play the game coz 'everyone says its cool' or whatever. I mean, crap, you were surprised at a couple FF6 screenshots!
OK, OK, Im sorry if this sounds like Im trying to rip into to you..Im not.

FF8 had awesome visual designs, nice battle sequence directions (summons), and a cool story (and character plots) . Granted the game was a bit too easy, and the character's status development kinda sucked...but ...eh what the hell..

If by story and Visual design only, FF8 was the best IMO....

But other than that, FF7 tops it all. Cloud and Sephiroth...Cant beat a rival pair like them.

Oh yeah, and outside of FF series, Chrono Trigger was golden:drool:

1. The baddies´character designs of FF6 in those screenshots surprised me into giving the game another chance, yes.
Does that make me a Graphics Whore?
I think not.
FF8´s graphics were far superior to FF7´s yet I despise that FF incarnation with an utter contempt.

2. "A mainstreamer that only plays the game because someone says it´s cool"?
Thanks for assuming you know me so well.:rolleyes:
Hey, lookie-here, everyone says Virtua Fighter 4 is da bomb;
if I´m such a Mainstreamer , why do I keep looking for excuses not to throw it out the window?

3. FF8´s sole merit relies in the graphics.
The story was weak and tiresome and the lack of character development, aside from the (faulty) couple lead hit its peak with a supreme vilain whose drive was never explained:
"- Hello, I´m the Sorceress and I´ll be your villain for the duration of this game; I don´t have any purpose or motives or goals really, I´m just here so the heroes can fight something; I´m Ultimecia, hear me roar. Meow!"

Brilliant. :rolleyes:

[Boone]

Re: eliseu gouveia.

Yeah, Ultimecia only had a tiny part in FF8. I never saw her in any of the FMV!!! What gives?

...I still think she is the coolest character though. :love:

[j00st81]

I really enjoyed FF8, only the spell extracting was kinda lame, also the item finding was pretty annoying, but I think FF8 has even better graphics then FF9

and of cource the romance....*aaah*
best-ending-movie-EVER:bounce:

[ambient-whisper]

really? i dunno man. i thought 9 looked awesome. guess im not into all that realism crap. :) i want a damn fantasy.

[RISKBREAKER]

Whoa! Relax, eliseu. Didnt say you ARE a mainstreamer, only said you SEEM like it. BIG difference right there. So its in agreement that i dont know you well enough to say that you actually are, but only seem like one.

You didnt get the story?
Ultimecia was the whole reason SeeD was created, if it werent for her, Squall would have never gone to Matron at the Orphanage and talked about SeeD and Gardens in the past. Matron talks Cid into it and Cid made it happen. Its a whole time loop thing. Whats not to get? :P
Maybe you dont get it coz of cultural difference (bold statement there:hmm: ).

Her motive? To collapse time thus negating all things and be the only life in existence. What? too much for ya? Oh and she didnt appear much coz she used 'possesion of candidates' to do her work whiel she was trapped in that goo thingy. But she did appear in an FMV (Seifer holding Rinoa and Ultimecia leans in to grab her).

Sorry about the long giberish and bullshit. Long dull day at work. Just felt like makin some trouble :D
So relax, man. In the end, its just a video game, not a bible.

[j00st81]

Originally posted by RISKBREAKER
So relax, man. In the end, its just a video game, not a bible.

:eek:
they would hang you for that in my final fantasy nerd club









:p

[Spankenstein]

Hmm, I was expecting a sequel to FFX but instead I get

FFX2: SUPER HAPPY JAPAN POP DANCE PARTY EXPLOSION, STARRING MORNING MUSUME WITH A SPECIAL APPEARANCE BY CHRISTINA AGUILERA!

SUGOI SUGOI!!! ^__^

This is lame beyond belief. I don't know what happened to the old school FF designers, but this is crap.

Why?
1. Yuna the pop-star, first and foremost. No one with cheeks that fat and mismatched eyes could ever hope to make the cover of TEEN COSMO. I mean, SHE SUMMONED A MICROPHONE OUT OF THE AIR. Cheese++. As usual, Japan is 20 years behind us in musical style, because I swear, it could have been the Bangles or Bananarama and looked exactly the same. All she needed was some leg warmers and teased hair.

2. They ruined Rikku. Ruined. Forever. (sob) At least it looks like her arms will be warm.

3. Lulu and Wakka are MARRIED. Totally makes me sick yah? And additionally, Lulu, the best FF character ever, will not be in most of the game.

4. Can we get some real hair, here? They have obviously spent months getting the clothing locked down, and it looks good, but the hair is still crappy.

5. It looks like the love story is going to be even SAPPIER. (puke)


As a friend of mine put it, the whole thing looks like a god-awful fanfiction come to life. I was one of the supporters of FFX, even though it lacked in a lot of areas. But this? No way. But, well, if it actually DID have Morning Musume in it, I would probably play it.

[eliseu gouveia]

1.

Originally posted by RISKBREAKER
Whoa! Relax, eliseu. Didnt say you ARE a mainstreamer, only said you SEEM like it. BIG difference right there. So its in agreement that i dont know you well enough to say that you actually are, but only seem like one.

You didnt get the story?
Ultimecia was the whole reason SeeD was created, if it werent for her, Squall would have never gone to Matron at the Orphanage and talked about SeeD and Gardens in the past. Matron talks Cid into it and Cid made it happen. Its a whole time loop thing. Whats not to get? :P
Maybe you dont get it coz of cultural difference (bold statement there:hmm: ).

Her motive? To collapse time thus negating all things and be the only life in existence. What? too much for ya? Oh and she didnt appear much coz she used 'possesion of candidates' to do her work whiel she was trapped in that goo thingy. But she did appear in an FMV (Seifer holding Rinoa and Ultimecia leans in to grab her).

Sorry about the long giberish and bullshit. Long dull day at work. Just felt like makin some trouble :D
So relax, man. In the end, its just a video game, not a bible.


Small Advice 1: In the future, be mindfull of the people you chose to make trouble with.

Small Advice 2: Don´t use this patronizing tone on people again, it´s demeaning.
Politeness will get you farther than arrogance.

FF8´s story WAS weak and badly developped.

Ultimecia´s character was underdevelopped beyond belief; basically, she was just something evil the heroes could beat up and her story was not only badly told but unoriginal to an extreme.

The back-in-time gimmick was predictable (I lost count of the people who saw the final Squall at the Orphanage scenne and shout "Terminator!")

Get your facts straight:
1. Ultimecia was never emprisoned in the "goo thingy".
The Sorceress emprisoned in the "goo thingy" was the one Squall´s daddy fought in the past.
Ultimecia exists in the future and she went back in time possessing her and discarding her when the loser got captured.

2. She didn´t want to "kompress" time to become the sole life in existence (where the hell did THAT come from?) , she wanted to "kompress" time so she could negate the one thing that happened years ago: her defeat and death at the hands of Squal & cia. It´s a loop thnigy and yes, I know what a loop is, despite the "cultural difference".

Well, I´m pretty sure this will only degenerate from here on in, I´ve seen it happen too often before, people will get up in arms at the mere sight of anyone badmouthing FF8: So, my last thoughts on this one: relax, man. In the end, its just a video game, not a bible.

On a last note, I can´t even begin to understand the logic you used to determine that someone who goes against a tittle deemed by the Mainstream as a Must-have would "seem" to be himself a Mainstreamer.

2. FFX2 DOES seem to be a pool of really bad taste, but it´s looking so terrible that I have the strange hope they´ll make something decent outta this whole mess.
I have no prob with Lulu marrying Wacko Wakka, they shared a history together, she almost married his brother and hot women making really bad marriage choices has always happened in the history of mankind.

On the other points, though, Spankenstein, I fully agree with you.
What on earth did they do to Rikku and Yuna?!

[Spankenstein]

Originally posted by eliseu gouveia
1.Ultimecia´s character was underdevelopped beyond belief; basically, she was just something evil the heroes could beat up and her story was not only badly told but unoriginal to an extreme.

Wasnt the sorceress that was imprisoned that she possesed's name... Edel? Adel? Something like that. I dont think you ever get to see Ultimecia's "true form" do you? Unless she somehow changes the posessed sorceresses appearance to match her own. I dunno. Definitely Ultimecia was not imprisoned anywhere, she was from the future, and was just reaching back to our time to posess a sorceress to bring her back in time to... whatever. MESS.

FF7 has easily the best, most involving, most coherent plotline. FFX wasnt TOO bad, except that it centered around the whole "OMG I HATE MY DAD, ESPECIALLY NOW THAT HE IS THE ULTIMATE EVIL." type angsty shit. FF8 was fair at best, but relied on FAR too many cliches. FF9 was... hey, does anyone actually REMEMBER FF9? FF1-6 I will leave alone, since arguing those invariably gets you up to your knees in that quagmire that spews forth from offended fanboys.

[eliseu gouveia]

Yes, Adel was the sorceress that Laguna Loire defeated and emprisoned; Ultimecia (http://www.nanatsusaya.net/rinoa/cp-ulti1.jpg) appears only in the final battle and in short cut scennes of the following FMV where Squall is allucinating.


Comparing the several titles, I find FF7 the most interesting, storywise.

I liked FF9, but then I didn´t take it too seriously.

FFX was just too depressing with all the death talk and the Yevon church thing acting as a major turn off. (The Oedipus thing going on was somewhat disturbing for the average player who has a stable relation with his progenitor and has to incarnate a character who hates and is bent on killing his).

FF6, I´m presently playing/dissecting, so it´ll take some time before I can form an opinion. At a first glance, the sprites do look kinda.....silly. :) Many years have passed and the game industry has evolved, so the experience in this age of the 128 bit might not be quite the same.

Problem of trying to raise these sort of discussions, from my previous experiences, is that it NEVER finishes well; there´s always a small core of rugged fanboys who get all upset because someone dared to criticise their Holy game and 9 outta 10 times it ends with insults and closed threads.

Ugly business.

[ambient-whisper]

i dunno. im not really too hooked on the older games. i played 6. it was just awesome :) then played 7 and loved it. played it again 2 years later and liked it much much less.:/ played 8. and liked it at the beginning. but then the whole story dragged....until the love story came on..and then it started sucking again.:/
the design didnt really do it for me either.:/

9 was just fun:) vivi kicks ass! :D not much to say bout that one

10 i didnt care for at all for the longest time. wasnt too into the whole design and such. too scifi, not enough fantasy/medival ) then when i played it was completely surprised that it was much better than what i thought it would be like. ( i thought it would be like ff8 :/ )

played a bit of 6 and i still enjoy it. the overall design is good. sound is good for the hardware.story isnt too complex but its neat that there isnt any main characters...and each has a rather deep history that you can learn about if you choose to get all the characters back later in the game. lots of summons, lots of things to do. a crazy/insane bad guy who works his way up and does quite the damage ( unlike the other ff baddies ). lots of secrets in this game. which you can completely miss if you go straight for the badguy.. you can play 20....or 45 hours.

and the other reason why ff6 was great :) moogle charm :D haha

[eliseu gouveia]

Most people look at FF9 as a sub-product, but this game was one of the few FF incarnations that actually had an enjoyable gameplay.

It was lighthearted (compared to the two previous... AND the sucessor), at times whacky (who didn´t stop for a pause the first time you saw a rhynoceros in a dress? :) ), the in-game animations of the characters were smooth and cute and everything, from the music to the lead character (with a tail, mind you!) to the sets really invited the gamer to just relax and go with the flow.

No angst, no gloomy athmospheres... just a fantasy tale.

Yes, Vivi kicked major ass(particularly when teaming up with Steiner), but somehow I took the most pleasure with Quina. Something about eating your oponents and learning their skills really woke up the canibal in me. :)

[gnarlycranium]

I don't remember FF9, period. At least, I try not to. I didn't play it. I took one look at the preview and went GAAAAAAARRGH AAAAGKK!!! and stumbled back from the TV blinded and trying to claw out my own eyes from the overdose of chibi cuteness. *hack.... cough... spit*

FF7 was alright, liked it, had fun. HATE Cloud's I-have-Doritos-stuck-to-my-head hair.

FFX I really liked. I mean... besides everything being so infested with lens flares, and that yellow bow taking over Yuna's body driving me up the wall (to say nothing of her personality), the story really intruiged me. Auron just by himself was 3/4ths of the fun of the whole game for me. Heck, I'd rather play as him than I'm-a-happy-chihuahua Tidus any day, his story is 10 times more interesting.

.....but really, my favorite game of the genre is still Xenogears. :shrug:

[gnarlycranium]

henryguy79 --.....................Spam. Cute, dood. Real cute.

*edit* Ahah!!! The spam has been smited and deleted!! All hail Equinoxx and his mighty Modness!!

Eh... and it happens again below this. Wonder how long before that gets smited too?

*edit* muwahahah, and another one bites the dust!

[RISKBREAKER]

Aw, good god, eliseu, let it go already. Couldnt you at least tell i was screwing around!? let it go man, let it go! your living in the past man! your living in the past! Attica! Attica! A-TTI-CA! A-TTI-........ehem, 'scuse me.

wha!? FF9? That sucked donkey balls. No joke this time. Enjoyable? Maybe. But lordy, talk about a story that sucked. Hardly involving. Designs were lacking too. Not a big fan of chibi-form cutesy characters...overdone these days. FF7 was enough.

Enough with this disection-of-the-installments-debating-whatever. You can go on and on about this sorta crap. Like i said before, its just a video game (HAHAHA Final Fantasy Nerd Club! Come and hang me!!! I'll use my Ultimate Insult and....no wait....thats another game....)

[eliseu gouveia]

Well, like I said before, I liked FF9 because I went in there expecting nothing but a few hours of fun;
I liked the chibi mega-deformed characters, the silly talking rhynos the jumping mice, it was just like a kindergarden colouring book coming to life; it was fantasy. :)
There are COUNTLESS aspects of the game that suuuuucked majorly (Cards? I HATE cards!!).
But it was fun playing in, in an airheaded, lighthearted way.

[nuke]

:buttrock:

[Lunatique]

What's up with the music video and Yuna singing and rockin' out? Are there any female anime type characters who ISN'T an idol singer in disguise? :D

[gnarlycranium]

Apparently not!!! :annoyed:

[eliseu gouveia]

more than the Idol singer thingie, what gets to me is...

Why are they ALWAYS such anorexic deviations?

Square, dudes, kids, guys, read my lips: NO-BO-DY likes walking sticks!
Even talking ones!
M´kay?

[j00st81]

Those Japanese people have a strange sense of fashion (http://www.saq.cx/stuff/jap_skirt.html)
;)

[Boone]

If its one kind of female character that really makes me want to ****ing scratch my face off - ITS BLOODY ATTENTION SEEKING, "GEE I'M SOOOO EMBARRISED", POPULAR GIRLS LIKE YUNA!!! Jesus!!!

At least Ultimecia was evil...she and Seymour should get together.:bounce:

[Spankenstein]

Originally posted by j00st81
Those Japanese people have a strange sense of fashion (http://www.saq.cx/stuff/jap_skirt.html)
;)

This is fake, all photoshops.

[eliseu gouveia]

Though I was more into Lulu, actually (who wasn´t? ;) ), FFX´s Yuna wasn´t that bad; for sme deviant reason I preferred giggling happy-go-lucky juvenile Rikku to her, but as far as leading ladies go, there´s been FAR worse in the histoty of the FF franchise.

I will say this, though; Trading Auron for Tidus as the leading character would have been the best move Square ever did since going 3D.

<- Duck and cover, duck and cover..:cool:

[gnarlycranium]

Oh heck yeah!! We need more Auron!!! :buttrock:

...As for fashion... who needs to make up pics? FFX in general that the single biggest collections of bizzare outfits I have EVER seen in my life! When the other blitzball teams started appearing, I think it was at that point I decided I'd had enough... little strappy suspenders that don't seem to cover much but man nipples, with bright purple and yellow crescent moons and... ohhh gawd... :argh:

[Array]

FFX shouldnt even be called a final fantasy game....its WAY TOO LINEAR! in my honest opinion, I think the whole series has been going downhill ever since the main character designer left after ff6 (he didnt like the idea of final fantasy becoming a 3d game, since 3d didnt actually add anything to the gameplay)

[ceql]

hmm here's a random FFx-2 pic:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/sequel/ffx/FFx2.jpg



...and a pic of auron from FFX just for Gnarly:
(no doubt she already has em all tho)

http://users.bigpond.net.au/sequel/ffx/forGC.jpg

[Lunatique]

Originally posted by ceql
hmm here's a random FFx-2 pic:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/sequel/ffx/FFx2.jpg



Wow, long hair looks so much better! :drool:

[eliseu gouveia]

Yeah, she´s purty :love: .

Now wouldn´t it be great if one day one could play a FF title with THOSE graphics instead of the usual lowpoly ones?:bounce: :bounce:

[Vivalamosa]

OMFG What did I just watch, I feel as if I have been injured by it in some way.

[Pibonne Zuntata]

yeap,

warning!

I been a fan of FF, but I tell you this is not an FF.
only the titles says FF.
sure you see Yuna and Rikku...but....
you maybe disappointed in this one...

I bought FFX-2 a few days ago, and I played but.. argh..!

this game sucks reeeal bad...

music is cheap and very non-FFistic.
The world is too peaceful
the 3 main characters are like Charlies Angels=Powerpuff=Sailor Moon.
It is horrid I tell you.

I feel I wasted money...sigh

Must sell it to used store ASAP:shame:

[gnarlycranium]

Originally posted by ceql
...and a pic of auron from FFX just for Gnarly:
(no doubt she already has em all tho)

You kidding? That thing is my wallpaper, dood! :cool:


Now... who's that in the first pic to the left with Yuna? I sweartagod that's gotta be Christina Aguilera. Or am I hallucinating? Yeeeugh, this game scares me. http://smilies.networkessence.net/s/contrib/sarge/Twitch_anim.gif

[Lunatique]

I just watched the whole pop music video opening--and I'm very disappointed.

It's rendered nicely, but content wise, it's lame, pretentious, contrived, with horrible facial animation, too obviously motion captured body animation--with no artistic tweaking, pointless, and stupid.

I can't believe this is FF. Where is the romance, drama, and the fantasy?

[gnarlycranium]

Ohhhhhh, there's fantasy alright..... just not the magic-and-mythical-beasts kind...... :rolleyes:

[eliseu gouveia]

I tellya, I can smell yet another FF8 lameness all over again. :rolleyes:

[ceql]

hmmm.... Yuna as a Lara-Croft clone (http://www.ifrance.com/cronoscafe/ffx17.jpg) , Rikku dressed like Christina Aguilera (http://www.square-evolution.com/news/articles/rikku-thong.jpg), the new dominatrix-looking girl (http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~nanko/im5/756.jpg) , j-pop music, breaking out of the FF tradition by remarketing their existing characters... Square must be trying desperately to recooperate funds lost on the FF movie or something :shrug:

[Lunatique]

Originally posted by eliseu gouveia
I tellya, I can smell yet another FF8 lameness all over again. :rolleyes:

I liked FF VIII. :p

[RISKBREAKER]

I liked FF VIII.

Aw crap......dont get him started again, Lunatique:) :p lol

[Vivalamosa]

The Final Fantasy Series ended when A guy from N'sync did the voice of Sephiroth.

Many villans have tried to destroy the world of Final Fantasy, but damnit in the end Squaresoft did it themselves!

[ceql]

Originally posted by Vivalamosa
The Final Fantasy Series ended when A guy from N'sync did the voice of Sephiroth.

Huh?? Yikes!! When?

[Vivalamosa]

Kingdom Hearts, the end of the world of Final Fantasy

[ceql]

doh!!! :p hmmm ahh well, /me still lubs square despite whatever things they've done of late ;)

[yinako]

FGS FF8 is not lame! It had best gfx designs and dawn of a new style in 3D CG.

I played FF7 and it sucked, no where near the quality of FF8, nuff said.

FF6 is very good, with alot of in game cut scenes and story telling.

FF9 is good, but the main character is lame.

[gnarlycranium]

Whooboy, here we go again..... :rolleyes:

[eliseu gouveia]

FF7 sucked and FF8 rocked?

In what planet do you live?

Damn, this is so easy I´m not even gonna bother:

Here, educate yourself with some concise reading, m´kay?

Original Article by Godheval (http://www.geocities.com/godheval/ff7vsff8.htm)

"FF7 vs. FF8

Main Characters: Cloud vs. Squall

Cloud excels because of his deteriorating consciousness, believing that he is one thing when he is something else entirely. Unlike the typical hero who discovers secret abilities that make him a god, he finds out that he is actually LESS of a man than he thought...in fact JUST a regular guy. Him being normal makes his feat of killing legendary Sephiroth that much more amazing. Seldom do we get to literally enter a character's mind, and in doing so we get to watch how Cloud develops, and how he resolves his inner conflict.

Squall is a reticent loner, feeling that getting close to people will only make it harder when they inevitably leave him all alone again, based on his experiences as a child. He remains this way for the better portion of the game, but eventually finds that not only can he depend on others, but that he needs them to survive. His development is slow, but meticulously entailed, some of the best characterization in any RPG to date. A realistic character than anyone who has ever felt alone can relate to, Squall is FF8's crowning attribute.

Winner: Tough call...but because of his intricate backstory, and engaging development, the point goes to Cloud (FF7).



Supporting cast: Tifa vs. Rinoa

Both the neglected females who support their main character lead. Only, in Rinoa's case, Squall does eventually come around... This does not change the fact that she was overly flaky, and more or less ignorant to Squall's inner turmoil. Tifa on the other hand, put Cloud above all else, finding that despite the truth being that they weren't that close in the past, watching his suffering and actually witnessing his inner struggle first hand, she grows to love him, although those exact words are never said. Would sacrifice her livelihood for him - would've stayed by his side while he was a mewling retard for the rest of her life, undoubtedly. And even after all that, she is neglected, as in the final moments, stupid Cloud wants to meet AERIS again... Crushed as she is, she still remains by his side... this is love... Rinoa liked Squall and just wanted him to like her back... she had no depth after the fight for Timber's independence, which fell into the background never to be seen again once the sorceress nonsense started... She remained a hollow shell of a character present only to complement Squall's development...

Winner: Tifa, FF7



Supporting Cast: Aeris vs. Ellone

Without getting into it... both are characters centralized because of their heritage and/or abilities. We see Ellone as a child, endearing and sweet, yet strong.. then as a rather substanceless adult...whose role is nominal at best. Aeris on the other hand, while a complete flake like Rinoa, if not more so...shows an uncharacteristic swing as she takes on the burden of stopping Sephiroth all on her own in order to realize her destiny as the last of the Ancients. Forseeing her own death she still presses forward, knowing that it is the only way to activate Holy... which can counter Meteor and save the world. Then in the end, as even Holy doesn't work, she catalyzes the uprising of the life stream... and saves the planet... the true hero of the story, even after death...

Winner: Aeris, FF7



Supporting Cast: Barret vs. Zell

Barret was an impulsive moron, but he had heart, and he had a mission in life. Although his noble cause was little more than a reckless quest of vengeance, he didn't just lie down and accept Shinra's dominance, like so many others. Zell was a typical spaz, one of the hotter tempers, and comic relief. However, he too was quite heroic, and at times unusually wise, such as in his knowledge of technology and history. Other than this little streak of intellect, though, there was very little to his character. Barret meanwhile never saw a lapse in integrity, for even as he stood safely aboard the Highwind, he worried about the safety of every person in Midgar, not even knowing them, as Meteor approached. Although not the brighest bulb, he was a man of character, a father, and eventually, a hero...

Winner: Barrett, FF7



Supporting Cast: Cid, Vincent, Yuffie, Red XIII, and Cait Sith vs. Irvine, Selphie, Quistis

These were the weaknesses of both games, but so as to be comprehensive in this game comparison, I'll cover it anyway. Let's start with Red XII. He immediately caught my attention because he was such an unconventional character...and because talking animals are cool. Now, seriously...we delve into his character at Cosmo Canyon, where we (and he) learn the truth about his father, Seto, who was a hero unlike he believed for so long. It was heartwarming story, and reinforced Red's place in the story, as to do his father proud he wanted to protect not only Cosmo Canyon, but the whole world surrounding it.

Vincent was a tragic character, a man who loved a woman, but could not have her because her heart lie elsewhere. Even so, he remained by her side, sworn to protect her. In the end, however, he could not save her, and blamed himself for it. His punishment would be to rest eternally in the depths of the Shinra mansion, condemned to an eternity of retrospection. To Vincent, Sephiroth represented everything wrong with Shinra, Hojo's transgression, and a reminder of his own failure to protect Lucretia. In this he found another calling, and joined with Cloud to save the world.

Yuffie, while seeming to be little more than a petty thief, actually had her homeland's interests in mind the whole time. Albeit a misguided attempt, she wanted to return Wutai to its former glory, as it was now little more than a tourist town under Shinra's world regime. Still this constitutes purpose, and makes her character much more worthwhile. Selphie had a moment of depth, as her Garden was destroyed...but unfortunately this opened the door to the absolute worst part of FF8's storyline...the orphanage scene. Irvine had little bearing on the storyline, and didn't change at all from his introduction to the end of the game. Quistis had a bit of development, as she realized what she thought was romantic love for Squall was in fact sisterly. Honestly, I think that was just an excuse to make herself feel better. While the supporting cast of FF7 was its weakest point, but FF8's was even worse. In developing Squall so much, a shadow was cast over the other characters, and minus momentary spurts of characterization, they were not developed at all.

Winner: FF7



Primary Villains: Sephiroth vs. Ultimecia

Well this is one comparison that doesn't even need to be made. Sephiroth was a man tortured by revelations that he was merely created to be a super soldier, and that his life had little other meaning. This prompted him to learn more about the truth of his background, and he discovers more about the Cetra, and Jenova. He is misguided in his thoughts that Jenova is an ancient, and that the regular people of the world were responsible for her subduction, and the ancients' demise. He knights himself the hero of this misguided quest to return Jenova to a position of prominence, which was stolen from her. His mission is stopped short as he is impaled by Cloud and sent hurtling into a pool of Mako.

Even in death, however, his will was immensely powerful. Whilst most others are diffused into the lifestream, their individuality erased as they become a part of the mass-consciousness of the planet, Sephiroth remained isolated -- a "traveler" of the stream, benefitting from all the knowledge present therein, but never losing his sense of self. It was here that any nobility to his cause was lost, as he abandoned the Cetra's revenge in favor of his own ascension. His will was so strong, in fact, that even from the lifestream it had an effect on things in the physical world. Even the Jenova reunion, which was supposed to be the being's innate ability to reunite its dismembered body, came under control of Sephiroth's will. Jenova itself began to move towards HIM...to be used for his own purposes.

While the aim of a villain to become a god is one of the biggest cliches in video game history, Sephiroth pulled it off with a style and grace like no other before him. He was such a dynamic character, that even with the minimum of dialogue, he conveyed an aura of power and dominance through his actions. Ultimecia? What can even be said about her? She was a character not mentioned until the FF8's third disc, whose history and motives were never entailed. She wanted to "kompress" time...but for what reason? We may never know, and we'll certainly never care. Since FF8's focus was the love story between Squall and Rinoa, the main conflict was compromised, and Ultmecia was there just to fill the quota for the next great evil. She was easily one of the worst Final Fantasy villains ever, and as such this contest is in fact...no contest at all.

Winner: Sephiroth, FF7



Secondary Villains: Shinra vs. Galbadia

Just the concept of a major evil being a corporation set FF7 apart. Shinra's aim was not only world domination, for they had achieved that before the game began, but to totally subjugate its people for the sake of increasing their own wealth. Perhaps through this corporation Square was trying to point a finger at our own modern day capitalist hierarchies, which exploit the poor and less fortunate to better the livelihoods of the unofficial "elite". Galbadia meanwhile, while it may have been a force to be reckoned with under President Deling in years past, in FF8's main time frame, it is but a pawn of the sorceress. There is very little to talk about there.

Winner: Shinra, FF7



Secondary Villains/Anti-Heroes: Rufus vs. Seifer

Rufus, while not developed too much, was grace under fire epitomized...quite literally. There was no hidden agenda, no grand cause to justify his cruelty. He was simply a corporate bad ass, and unlike his father, felt no need to ease the minds of the people whose lives were already in his hands. For a moment he seemed noble, warranting cheers of support as he faced down the Weapons without fear, mobilizing Shinra's military and in a moment of glory blew Sapphire's head off with the Junon Cannon. Alas, he was no hero, for he only fought to protect his own interests -- his corporation and his position as virtually the ruler of the world. This became clear as he set up Cloud and the others as scapegoats to cleanse himself and Shinra of the blame for the pending destruction of the world, which indirectly they set into motion. Although not a particularly deep character, Rufus exuded a charm and charisma that set him apart from the standard villain icon.

Seifer on the other hand, was not only typical, he WAS the mold. He was a hot headed fool whose failures in life allowed Ultimecia to use him as a pawn. He spoke often of some great romantic dream, the details of which were never covered. At first he had the makings of a solid anti-hero, a good rival for Squall. He held President Deling at blade-point in order to help Rinoa's fight for Timber's independence, as it seemed then, at the expense of his own life. Oh, if only he had really died, perhaps in mourning one could look back upon him and say: "Seifer, I knew him well..." Alas, that was not to be the case, as he went from intriguing character who walked the line between good and evil to a complete moron whose romantic dream became little more than a puppet show in Ultimecia's circus. Worst of all, at the conclusion of the game, all he did was for nothing, and may as well not have been done at all, as he audaciously goes FISHING... Where was the resolution...the final showdown between rivals...the full revelation of his "dream"? Apparently that page fell out of the writers' notebook.

Winner: Rufus, FF7

[eliseu gouveia]

With FF7 taking a commanding lead, will FF8 ever be able to regroup and hold its own in this fierce competition? Perhaps, but it will not be by virtue of its storyline, the next facet of the comparison. FF7 begins with a simple premise, as a group of vigilantes set out to up-end a world dominating corporation who are knowingly and indifferently sapping the planet of its natural resources while oppressing the people under its reign. Our hero, however, couldn't care less about the planet or the mission to which he as committed himself, for he is just a mercenary. Just then the stakes become personal as he faces the realization that his archenemy, whom he believed to be dead, was still alive and causing a stir. Some people were let down after Midgar, when the action waned in favor of a deeper plot.

Chasing Sephiroth around the world seemed to be just an excuse to move from one location to another in typical RPG fashion, but when the party reaches the Temple of the Ancients and learns of his plans, the story reaches its first turning point. Aeris is pitted in a battle against fate all by herself, one she cannot win, and that comes at the expense of her life. While she was not the most interesting of characters, her death skyrocketed her to a place of prominence in gamers' hearts, spawning rumor after rumor of the ever-elusive (read: nonexistent) means of ressurecting her. Afterwards, if Cloud had any vestige of indifference left in him, it was scraped away with a six foot sword. The cold and aloof mercenary became anchored to his cause and that of his comrades -- to stop Sephiroth and save the world. Through Cloud's inner struggle and greater revelations of Sephiroth's goals, an intricate story involving the circle of life and the latter's attempt to violently disrupt it unfolds. The ending, while left open to interpretation and thus the subject of criticism from those who want everything explained to them, capped off the story well, and left a sense of fulfillment in its wake.

FF8's storyline, simply put, was terrible. The main focus was supposed to be the love story between Squall and Rinoa claim the game's advocates. However, the vast majority of the game was spent attending to the "other" storyline, the ongoing battle between good and evil; Timber vs. Galbadia, Garden vs. Garden, SeeD vs. the Sorceress(es). The only conflict regarding the love story came from Squall himself, in his refusal to allow anyone to get close to him. This of course was not enough to warrant the use of weapons and magic or to summon Guardian Forces, although Rinoa's persistence and airheaded personality probably made Squall want to sick Ifrit on her flaky ass a few times. If we look at this love story closely, we find that it actually lacks the depth of say...the one in Xenogears. In a sense, themes touched upon in Xenogears are reused in FF8, such as love carrying across generations.

Unfortunately, FF8 failed to execute this awesome concept with any degree of success. The love story peaked a few times (so few I can count them on my fingers), but for the most part flatlined as Squall wanted nothing to do with it. The outer space reunion and the ending were far and beyond the most touching scenes in the game, and in effect what made the love story worth anything. The "rescue" at the Sorceress' Memorial would have been heartwarming, had more been at stake, or had Squall needed more than a second-guess to realize he was an idiot for letting the Estharians take Rinoa in the first place. By this time, he already knew he loved her, and so their grand embrace was meaningless, especially following the space scene. One may wonder why I've gone this far into the editorial without a single mention of Laguna. There is a simple reason for that, and I want all FF8 enthusiasts to really stop and consider this. Were the exploits of Laguna to only be mentioned in brief flashbacks, or even in dialogue with someone who knew (of) him, would the storyline have suffered at all? The answer is no. FF8's storyline is particularly disappointing because of the enormous potential it had, and failed to realize.

The game should have closely followed the paths of the two heroes, then eventually brought those paths together as it came time to fight the final enemy. If only the conflict with Edea had been drawn out more, things would've been much better, as the moral dilemma of whether or not to kill her for the sake of the world was one of the story's strongpoints. This would also have kept Seifer a decent character, for perhaps in remembering that Edea was Matron and thus not inherently evil, he protects her until he can find a way to save her. It should have in fact been Seifer to reveal the truth about Edea to Squall and the others, rather than resorting to that horrible orphanage scene.

The Garden vs. Garden scene was a great climax and should have coincided with Laguna's showdown with Adel, thus initiating the crossing of the two heroes paths. Think about it...two heroes from two time periods...bound to the same cause. What if both Adel and Edea were both victim to possession by Ultimecia, thus making her their neutral enemy? Oh, but...they're 20 or more years apart...how can they come together? Wait, I know! Time compression! Is it just me, or does that seem like this was the writers' original intention, but they decided to only play it out halfway?

The theme was love, supposedly, and yet the most tragic love story of the game was given very little attention. How much better would FF8 have been had we gotten to see more of Laguna and Raine's tale, and the circumstances which saw them part? Just seeing the little exchange between them in the end, but knowing that she died without Laguna by her side was enough to make my eyes water. Imagine how epic it would've been if only the game had further explored that? There's nothing that draws a player into a story more than the death of a beloved character. Unfortunately, we didn't really get the chance to know Raine. Also, her passing and Laguna's departure are what orphaned Squall, and delving further into that would've also strengthened his character development.

Another thing seemingly left out was the connection between Squall and Griever. Was it just coincidence that Squall had a ring engraved with an image of the most powerful Guardian Force? Was it coincidence that he was given the last name Lionheart, and that Griever resembled a lion? Was there a connection? If not, then why did the game bother allowing you to name the ring? Ah, it must've been because Griever was a GF and you got to name every other one, so it was only natural to name him too. I suppose it would've felt a bit disjointed if this happened:

Ultimecia: "The Ultimate GF... You shall..." (prompt GF naming screen)

Yes, that must be it. Give me a break...it's obvious this was just another tidbit that didn't make the final cut. The question is why...and who was responsible...and why does he still have a job? Alas, all of this is just speculation. Perhaps none of this was the writers' intention, and the storyline really just sucked. Either way, the verdict here is clear...

Winner: FF7 (by a landslide)



Next we'll talk about gameplay. FF7 adhered to the standard FF formula, with menu-based combat and ATB meters. New to this edition was the Limit Gauge, however, which granted the team 47 additional (and more fun) attacks. Then there was the materia system, arguably the best customization feature in any Final Fantasy to date, although it left little room for diversity between characters. In fact, their limits were the only things that differentiated them in combat. Despite this, materia was a great thing, as it was fun to build up its levels and learn new skills and ways to combine them. It also gave players something extra to do in trying to find all the rarest materia in the world. Better still was the fact that it was tied in directly to the storyline.

What few puzzles FF7 had were appropriate -- no throwing a million switches and circling back to old locations here. Then there were the mini games, which anyone would agree were the most fun in any FF to date, especially since there were so many of them. An amusement park with a full arcade to take your mind off of the fact that you're supposed to be saving the world? Excellent. Eat your heart out, Shenmue, says FF7...

FF8, on the other hand, had what most RPGers consider the most annoying system ever, junctioning. Personally I didn't find it to be all too complicated, and it was fun applying different magic to different stats to optimize my characters the way I wanted. The real problem in FF8, however, was the draw system. One can only wonder how many hours would've been cut from the total play time if drawing wasn't mandatory, or didn't take so long. Magic should've been the hardest stat to raise, but as you did so, drawing should've become much easier -- yielding 15-20 spells per turn as opposed to 9. The card and item refinement abilities helped a great deal, but stocking up strong spells remained a chore. The guardian forces were fun the first 100 times, but with some of their animation sequences being obscenely long, and their use unneeded after the first quarter of the game, they were more of a dampener on the gameplay than a highlight. Lastly, the only mini game worth mentioning in FF8 was Triple Triad, a card game so entertaining that a real version was later created. While some of the regional rules made players scratch their head in confusion (Same! Combo! What the? NO!), it was for the most part a worthwhile complement to the game. This one was close, but for the materia system and the mini games...

Winner: FF7



The next category, music, is the hardest to judge, because both games boasted great scores. Memorable tracks from 7 include Aeris's Requiem theme, Sephiroth's theme, Turks' theme (because it was so fitting), Costa del Sol, Cosmo Canyon, Jenova Absolute, Bizarro Sephiroth, and the mother of all final boss themes: One-Winged Angel. On the other side, FF8 had Liberi Fatali, Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec, Maybe I'm a Lion, Plank between a Perdition, Eyes on Me, Premonition, The Beast (Griever battle theme), and the Final battle theme. There were others as well, whose official names I do not know, such as the one that played when the cadets approached Dollet on the water cruisers. While One-Winged Angel was so great that it alone was a reason to buy the OST, FF8's orchestrated masterpieces are some of Uematsu's finest work.

Winner: FF8



The next comparison is somewhat unfair, being as though FF8 had the benefit of time and improved technology. Even so, the graphics must be taken into consideration when assessing a game. This one is no contest, and for anyone who played the games, I shouldn't have to go into a lengthy explanation. Although the character models in FF8 were overly textured in my opinion, there can be no questioning the fact that they were superior to the ones in FF7. The most impressive were those of the FF8's monsters, as they were diverse, vivid in color, and meticulously animated from their battle stances to the way they died. FF7's on the other hand were nothing spectacular. The pre-rendered backdrops were pretty much the same in both games, but FF8's were more crisp and polished. Also, the game's architecture was the most brilliant I have ever seen in any game. The Gardens looked like some kinda alien space crafts, and Esthar was the capital city on the planet they came from. The vehicles were incredible as well; I'd take the Ragnarok over the Highwind any day. FF7's overworld set a new standard amongst RPGs, and FF8 did well to sustain it, but there was little to set the two apart. Need I mention the FMV sequences? This one's easy...

Winner: FF8 (by FAR)



One of the lesser mentioned aspects of a game is its presentation. RPGs, often play out like movies, so why shouldn't its direction be examined? Two different people could tell the same story, and one's telling could be far superior to the other's just by a change in tone or an extra display of enthusiasm. That is the significance of presentation. Things like whether it was best to play a scene in FMV, real time, or an integration of the two are important decisions. Synchronizing the music with different scenes or events is also quite a task. FF7's presentation was excellent, and it unquestionably established milestones in how stories are to be told in games. However, whatever FF7 accomplished in this area, FF8 learned by example and improved upon it tenfold. The visual splendor that was FF8 was enough to make you forget that beneath it all was a poor story. Isolated events such as the ballroom dance sequence, the raid on Dollet, the sorceress assassination mission, and the most incredible battle sequence I've ever seen in a game: Garden vs Garden, were played out to perfection. They really got your heart racing and your emotional juices flowing, and whatever the director intended for you to feel in a given situation, you felt...either that or you're catatonic. Don't even bother to open the envelope on this one...

Winner: FF8

In conclusion, I find it interesting that as RPG's graphics improve, the storylines are starting to be of less importance to gamers. Back when Final Fantasy was just a bunch of ugly deformed sprites with a handful of animation, and hand drawn backgrounds, story and characterization were what set one RPG apart from the next. Now, take a look at the areas where both of these games excel, and where they falter. How can any avid RPGer, of the school of thought that "graphics don't matter", possibly say that FF8 is the better game? Critics of FF7 complain about how it was a departure from the norm of Final Fantasy, but fail to recognize that in that departure it opened the floodgates to the now active RPG Market. Opinions are opinions, and sometimes there's really no explaining why a person feels loves or hates a game.

Looking at things objectively, and from a purely analytical standpoint, is it even possible to place FF8 above FF7 and say that it was not because of its visual superiority? Graphics and Presentation are a vital part of a game, and so there is nothing wrong with loving FF8 for those reasons. If this is the case, a person cannot maintain their position that graphics are not important. FF8 is a beautiful game, and extremely entertaining, and I recognize it for its considerable merits. However, FF7 defeats it in far too many categories, and in those that are supposed to be the most important -- the ones that set RPGs in general apart from every other genre. This is not only my opinion, but a fact derived from clear evidence.


The victory goes to FF7... "


Had enough?

[Solesurvivor]

hmm, it's quite easy to quote an entire article, but that doesn't make you entitled to be so 'tutor'-like :)

everyone experiences the game in a different way, for some, the visul aid of great graphics gets them closer to the characters than others. And others may not feel the need of fancy graphics to feel close with the main characters.

I like ff 7 & 8 & 9, but the one i will remember the most , is ff8. I agree that the FF7 story is better, but in the end, it's FF8 that sticking in my brains...

Sometimes you just can't explain why something is better than another to you, but simply is

I rest my case

[j00st81]

ff7 and ff8 are even for me, but the battles are better in ff7 ( I was really shocked the first time I saw the battles in ff8, big pixels instead of those nice gradients in ff7 :cool: )

The movies in ff8 are STILL one of the best I've seen in a game.

[RISKBREAKER]

Was it coincidence that he was given the last name Lionheart

??????????
I always thought it was Leonheart? Reasoning: In Kingdom Hearts (Disney and Square!? How in the hell!?), Squall dropped his name and used Leon.

[gnarlycranium]

Originally posted by Gnarly Cranium
Whooboy, here we go again..... :rolleyes:

*TEN TONS OF TEXT LATER*

.....man, did I call that or what? :cool:

[eliseu gouveia]

Oh, G.C, Gnarliness Supreme, you´re a mind reader.:cool:

[HapZungLam]

story and character design. Sure i like FF7.

but the game play, i like ff8. They are close tho, since ff8 brought in the new charging super mode that the closer to death, the more chance you can get the super move. FF8 is more speedy than ff7. Off alot of time i have to pause it and think what should i do at the beginning of the match. While FF7 i can just wait for the bar to complete my turn and i can still let the run while thinking what should i do.

So the gameplay, ff8 is more aggresive, power. sure the graphics was pushing ps1 to its max limit. i always wish the two can combine, but the following ff9 and 10 just changed again totally. Even ff10 take away that time bar, i like that bar instead of just dead turn base system.

[Xylemman]

:D i find this tread is very entertaining. yes ff7 is the game that inspire me in what i am doing now. it gave me a dream to work on. well i think for the ff8 lover, the best part of it is the design. garden was awesome and the story in the beginning part is excellent. soldier school, garden wow that is excellent i am sure that many will love to study in garden. character development may b less complex than ff7 but they r all teenager. well so the top part of ff8 is the feeling of teenager and garden, at lease for me.
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[Xylemman]

HapZungLam, so u like draw system is ff8 too? i think it is suck after a while. what the point keep drawing magic from enermy again and again to raise the status, it is boring.

[Vivalamosa]

9 was the worst Final Fantasy of all time, can we all agree on that?

[RISKBREAKER]

Originally posted by Vivalamosa
9 was the worst Final Fantasy of all time, can we all agree on that?

here here:beer:

The most suckiest and excruciatingly lame FF of all time.

[eliseu gouveia]

......er, I kinda liked 9,in a cudly- chibi-sorta way....

Maybe because I didn´t take it too seriously... ;)

[Xylemman]

9 is lame........ T____________________________T no way
i like it a bit more than 8 actually. hehheh am i start some war here?

[eliseu gouveia]

Well, for one 9´s characters animations ruled over 8 and 7; more fluid, more lively, more detailed, more lifelike.
The world itself had a more organic feel which conveyed more realism.
It was WAY more lighthearted and funny.
Though not everyone´s cup of tea, character designs WERE very imaginative.

[Solesurvivor]

Originally posted by eliseu gouveia

Though not everyone´s cup of tea, character designs WERE very imaginative.

that's just so true, especially vivi, such a cute little bugger

[gnarlycranium]

Yeah, cute like a fricken hamster-- somebody gimme a broom! :p

[Vivalamosa]

Originally posted by Solesurvivor
that's just so true, especially vivi, such a cute little bugger

Orko from He-Man
http://www.hallelnet.com/von/alllinks/orko.psd.jpg

Original, I think not. Plus he was just a remake of the Black Mage from FFI.

[Vivalamosa]

Originally posted by eliseu gouveia
Well, for one 9´s characters animations ruled over 8 and 7; more fluid, more lively, more detailed, more lifelike.
The world itself had a more organic feel which conveyed more realism.

All that shows is that technology had advanced.

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