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zued
02-23-2003, 06:20 PM
Hi..

I´m not calling me a professional, but I have been working with several 3d-apps for the last 10 years..

Im currently working in cinema 4d r8 with a short commercial that needs a character walking.. no problems i thougt, because i´ve done a few with apps like lightwave, animation master and 3dstudio.. but I run into problems here.. :(

I´ve checked every tutorial that I have found on the net.. ( actually , only found one..), tried to follow tutorial in the manual..
..but, i dont get it...( getting old..perhaps..)

I get following errors when trying to rig my character

When I move one of my goals, everything else is moving.. why..
I´ve done the Tail-tutorial with success, but when trying to adapt that to my character with more than one limb.. it gets all messed up.. ( as I said.. moving foot-goal.. everything starts moving..(rotates around the root/pelvis.. yes, its anchored..)

So.. any tips.. any links to good tutorials.. ( I dont want to drop cinema4d for this.. because everything else is just fine.. :D)
wuensch
02-23-2003, 07:24 PM
--you should take a look at the tutorial in the Mocca Handbook (check if you have the pdf-file if you dont have the manual yet, the tutorial was in the 8.012 version--if you still bave 8.001 then contact Maxon ) where softIK is explained very well and it all makes sense--
SoftIK was a little hard to understand for me first, but I dont want to live without it anymore.

Olli
zued
02-23-2003, 07:33 PM
yes.. i got all paper manuals.. ( .. not wery well written, Mocca handbok that is..:( )
mimo8
02-23-2003, 08:05 PM
don´t know if this helps
but the most important thing to move just one objekt of your bone-tree is to check the ancor in the attribute manager for the bonechain you want to move

for example
if you have set up a whole skeleton you make the uppermost bone of each leg (femoral-bone / oberschnekel-bone) an anchor bone
are you sure you have the "tutorial_MOCCA_EN/DE/..."
the tutorial by naam that explains how to set up the french guy.

this one is your only chance to get into soft-ik in c4dXL8
at the moment ... I think
zued
02-23-2003, 08:26 PM
if you are reffering to Mime-guy.. Yes i have...

OK so here is some more thoughts.

Noticed that when I loaded AnimFrame0Final.c4d, pressed F8 ( to play) then tried to move some goals, i got the same errors/faults..
Then I noticed that if I used "use object tool" instead of "use inverse kinematic tool" it seemed to work better..
So.. I shall try this on my character to see if it works better..
could this be it?.. ill be back :D

One more.. Should i do like the book does.. setting up one bone segment at the time..( legs, then spine and last the arms..)?
zued
02-23-2003, 08:43 PM
OK.. this maybe is basic for most Cinema guys n gals..

But it seem that use object tool did the trick..
( using lightwave fo the past 2 years.. with inverse kinematic tool always pressed.. ;))
Srek
02-23-2003, 08:48 PM
Hi,
the inverse kinematic tool is only usefull with the old (hard) IK not with Soft IK. Sorry if that isn't mentioned in the manual :/

Regards
Srek
zued
02-23-2003, 08:56 PM
Well.. I would´nt hang anyone.. ;) I just think that the manual is a bit thin for the subject..

I´m on the right track now anyway.. thanks!
imashination
02-23-2003, 10:30 PM
Right click (cmd click on mac) on the left toolbar and select Edit palettes. Now double click on the IK button, and close the edit palettes window. Problem solved ;-)

The old IK tool should (almost) never be used with the new soft IK system.
LucentDreams
02-24-2003, 12:44 AM
the IK tool should never be used ever IMO. even in XL 7 I made my own IK using expressions and naam's puppeteer, fact is the IKtool is horrible and should never be used.
wuensch
02-24-2003, 07:32 AM
--still have to add my 2 cents--
Because i think that , no matter how thin, the softIK part of the Mocca-manual is very well done and gives a good insight into rigging.

The explanation of Motionmixer, Posemixer and so on is not good, though.
Actually it is no explanation but a mentioning ,-).
This need some more explanation or will leave a lot of people that do not browse the forums frustrated.
Olli
strangeflow
02-24-2003, 08:45 AM
Tutorials...

http://www.jam-digital.com/cow_challenges/challenge_1/rigging_the_mime.htm

New one from Maxon...
http://www.maxoncomputer.com/tutorial_detail.asp?tutorialID=240&site=
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