DPIT Nature Spirit V4 Information Released!

[stevester1]

That's awsome, very well done!

[ooo]

well done indeed!!
Can't wait to play!
3 thumbs :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

odo

[Magnus3D]

It looks great! :) real nice update this time. The fluids and smoke are especially sexy.

/ Magnus

[LemonNado]

Great job! I'm ready for bug hunting! I am sure I won't find many ;)
Rainer

[Katachi]

thx guys! I am also looking forward to finally release this beast! :-)

@LemonNado: I also hope you don´t! ;)

[rirad]

Your plugin looks interesting when judging the examples.
As for bug tracking, have a look at the sky02.mov from the physical sky examples. No way a 'physical correct' sun can generate those shadows (almost 270 degrees).

Good luck with the release.

[Katachi]

Your plugin looks interesting when judging the examples.
As for bug tracking, have a look at the sky02.mov from the physical sky examples. No way a 'physical correct' sun can generate those shadows (almost 270 degrees).

Good luck with the release.

It´s the sky and atmosphere that is physical based, not the shadows. These are simply Cinema4D shadows. Don´t make life harder than it is for the user. ;)

[rirad]

{Unless I am mistaken, the sun makes a maximum 180 degrees angle (east rise, west set in our case). From this movie it seems to make a 270 degrees rotation judged from the shadows (I meant).}

Sorry, you are correct. It looked weird at first...

Nevertheless the examples look great. Especially the fluid stuff.

[Katachi]

In the general case you are right, it´s about 180 degree, but this also depends on the location on earth. On the north pole you have 6 months of sun...calculate the angle ;-)

The default of the sky engine does the 180 degrees though. the example may have been on a different location, settings wise. As the text says...it´s customizable. (for example you can raise or lower the horizon...):)

thanks for the head ups!

[Coen]

Hi Samir,

i've been looking at the fluids simulations of dpit and they seem to simulate gas and fire quite (as in very ';) nice. I'm looking for a solution to create a waterfall though. I can't find any info on your pages whether dpit could do water. Could you shed some light on this? As it looks reel flow is too expensive at the moment and rendertimes with particles and metaballs are through the roof..

thanks

Coen

[Katachi]

Hi Samir,

i've been looking at the fluids simulations of dpit and they seem to simulate gas and fire quite (as in very ';) nice. I'm looking for a solution to create a waterfall though. I can't find any info on your pages whether dpit could do water. Could you shed some light on this? As it looks reel flow is too expensive at the moment and rendertimes with particles and metaballs are through the roof..

Hi Coen,

sorry, DPIT cannot simulate water with the fluids (yet...). However, I would like to redirect you to Remotions water fluids solution which could do the job. You find the website of Remotion here: www.remotion.de.vu (http://www.remotion.de.vu)

Hope that helps :)
Best
Samir

[ThePriest]

Keep looking for the demo, any idea what time?

[LemonNado]

It's like 3am in Germany.... give the Man a break ;).
Rainer

[Katachi]

It´s 4:30 now :D And I will take a break now..my body must get some sleep. This is going to be a good day. ;-)

[ThePriest]

It's like 3am in Germany.... give the Man a break ;).
Rainer

I'm not a very smart guy.

[MrBraun]

Tnx to all Shamir!! I know what great and hard work have to realize this great piece of plugin!! ;)

Good Shamir !! Go go go !! ;)

[Coen]

Thanks Samir,

will check it out, as i will do with dpit... take it easy ;)

[Jonj1611]

Looks incredible, excellent work.

Jon

[pid]

Samir did a great job.
Dpit got a lot of impressive improvements.
You all will love it.

pid

[LemonNado]

Unfortunately I got DPit after I bought XFrog.... Sighhh. DPit does sooo much more and in the XFrog department it is much more flexible as well.
Rainer

[AAAron]

Unfortunately I got DPit after I bought XFrog.... Sighhh. DPit does sooo much more and in the XFrog department it is much more flexible as well.
Rainer

Got Xfrog too, does DPit replace it all together or are there still stuff xfrog does better when it comes to plants?
I´ll think I buy DPit anyhow since samir have the nice sidegrade price.

[LemonNado]

XFrog has a larger library. But Spit has cool shader coming with it. I am not sure if I would compare both products on a 1:1 basis. All I can say is that I get better results with DPit and the DPit support is better compared to the XFrog suppot which has ignored the past 5 eail I send within the last week because of serious viewport problems I have to XFrog.
R

[spirozero]

This is going to be a good day. ;-)

Which "day" is he referring to? Sunday? I didn't get an email on Sunday.

Then again, when he wrote that it was Monday in Germany, right? So then Monday is going to be a good day? Is that what he means?

I like good Mondays! :thumbsup:

[LemonNado]

Yes, when he wrote that it was Monday already. So we might be in for a nice Monday 8). But only if he could get up later. Difficult after all that binge coding 8).
Rainer

[ChristianZ]

Demo is online now :)

[LemonNado]

Looooooooool Version 3.99.97 1/2 and 3/4 !
8)
Rainer

[Katachi]

:D It´s the project version and I am aware of some problems in the application (these problems will be listed in the bug tracking list in the DPIT forum!) but I just didn´t want to let you guys wait any longer. So this means there will be some service updates during the next few weeks. I want the app to become absolutely rock-solid, hence the announcement of the Open Beta Program. :-)

You can directly use the "Post Bug Report" option in the DPIT menu to enter a bug report into the DPIT bugs forum.

[LemonNado]

All good!!! Just thought the Version number is funny 8).
Again, great Job, super tool, and fantastic value!
Rainer

[flingster]

well done on getting it out there samir...looks good and some nice additions to upgrade from what a can see...good luck with it.

[spirozero]

As a newbie to DPIT I must say that this is a fantastic plugin! Even without the video tutorials I'm having a blast!

I know - the video tutorials will be available soon. Thanks Samir!

[Katachi]

thx for the head ups flingster!

Spirozero: cool! Glad to hear that! And yep, will soon and also some example scenes! :D Don´t forget the "old" video tutorials on the other stuff in DPIT. You find them in the Downloads->Misc section. Should be a good start. :)

Best
Samir

[ooo]

A few samplescenes on the new features (liquids and multibrusch f.e.) would be very much appreciated! Looking good so far! :thumbsup:

odo

[Katachi]

jep, will do! :)

Ah, and here is one of the example files I´ll post. The smoke could be a little slower but I like it.

The ash in the tray is placed with the MultiToolBrush and Transplant. :)

The complete rendertime including simulation calculation took 2:30 hours. The second and third movies took only 13 minutes each, because they use the smoke cache of the first movie. I only tweaked the shader slightly for the rerenders.

http://www.dpit2.de/dpitinfo/data/cigarette.mov
http://www.dpit2.de/dpitinfo/data/cigarette2.mov
http://www.dpit2.de/dpitinfo/data/cigarette3.mov

[Kuroyume0161]

Hello Samir,

This plugin is looking spectacular! I already love the 'fluid' and 'gas' videos! Will try the demo for sure.

How do I get the student discount...? ;P

Best of luck!

[rsquires]

Hi Samir

I have bought the plugin through Paypal and still haven't received serials yet. No doubt you are busy but usually these kind of things are automated and I get a response almost instantly. No problem as it's not urgent. Just would like to get started playing with it.

regards

Rich

[Katachi]

Hi Rich,

sorry, I haven´t even sent out the preorders completely yet. However, I will definetly be finished with all today. So you will also get your registration information today.

you should have however received the paypal confirmation mail did you?

It takes a little longer because I also need to make support beside this, create example scenes, update the website, create video tutorials, fix existing bugs...
Just takes its time :/

Will hurry up so you guys get your registration data asap. (btw. you could of course grab the demo and use that one in between).


@all: As a side note, there is a bug on MAC (see bug tracking list) with the "Create Fluid Setup" comman. You must create a smoke shader once first before you can use this menu command. Just to let you guys know when you wanna start with the fluids. Already on it to fix that!

[rsquires]

cheers Samir

I am sure your busy so no problem.

regards

Rich

[LemonNado]

I started with the temp key and it does not last as long as I thought....
http://www.onesmall.com/stuff/panic.jpg
Cheers
Rainer

[JoelOtron]

There was a thread in General Discussions about a new paper on fluid dynamics.
Samir might be interested in reading--maybe it will spark some ideas for DPIT5 :)

http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?f=2&t=458297

[Katachi]

@Lemonnade: you should have got your serial by now ;-) Concerning the demo, you may have downloaded the demo shortly after release. There was a bug. It was still checking for past demo data and if you had a run on the 3.1 demo, it would find these information.

You shouldn´t have these problems with the one that online. I replaced it some hours after release.

@JoelD: Thanks! I knew that work and paper. :-) Very interesting and surely something I am looking at.

[ooo]

Thanks for posting the examplescenes. I'll give them a go this weekend. :)

odo

[LemonNado]

Got it, works great! Thanks a million!
ffpx
Rainer

[LemonNado]

Hi Samir
I have bought the plugin through Paypal and still haven't received serials yet....
Rich

Samir,
I know that Rich would like to serialize it with a Barcode on his forehead and a Dongle for each ear! Please ship him the blue dongles. The pink ones look silly. 8)

Cheers and have a great Weekend!
Rainer

[Katachi]

Hi guys,

sorry, was gone for the past 3 days. Will process your emails etc. tommorrow! It´s 11p.m. here and I´m pretty knocked by the journey.

There will come more example scenes and also the promised video tuts this week!

Richard however should have his serials already on thursday! At least I´ve sent them out. I haven´t checked emails yet but will resend that serial for you right now Richard! Sorry if it hasn´t gotten to you! I seem to have email problems in the last few weeks anyway. :-/

[rsquires]

Samir,
I know that Rich would like to serialize it with a Barcode on his forehead and a Dongle for each ear! Please ship him the blue dongles. The pink ones look silly. 8)

Cheers and have a great Weekend!
Rainer


No way. I want the pink ones.

I did get my serials and have downloaded and am starting to get my head round DPIT 4. Where does the tree library go by the way?

regards

rich

[Katachi]

The treelib has been used for the old NatureLibrary (it was something like the content manager of c4d but only for the tree lib). I removed the Nature Library however, it wasn´t usable anylonger but I didn´t wanted to take the tree library out so I kept it online for you. You simply load the .dpit files directly into c4d.

But it will disappear and be replaced for 4.1 because of...surprise :)

Samir

[rsquires]

I am trying to create an aerosol effect for a deodorant and wanted to use pyroclusters steam with simple particles. Is this possible and if so how do I set it up?

regards

rich

[Katachi]

Hi,

Pyrocluster unfortunately cannot see SimpleParticles and therefore is not renderable with it. But you have 2 other options to get to what you want:

1. You use SimpleParticles with the Fluids Engine. Then you have a realistic motion and you can use the participating media shader.

2. You use normal c4d particles driven by the fluids. This allows you to have realistic fluid air motion and still use any rendering technique like pyrocluster, StormTracer etc. with the c4d particles.

If you need more help on this it would probably be better if you post into the DPIT forums. :)

[Katachi]

ok, had an hour to create an example. Here I simply used SimpleParticles to inject smoke into the fluid domain on their way. Is that similar to what you intented?

http://www.dpit2.de/galerie/temp/spray.mov

Find the scenefile for it here:

http://www.dpit2.de/galerie/temp/spray.zip

Rendering time was 50 minutes.

[LemonNado]

Nice render Samir! But when I try and load the c4d file... C4D comes up with an error message 'Not enough Memory' and stalls completely.
At the time of the load I used 400MB of 2GB free. Mem consumtion at the crash time is 578 steady. I have to shhot C4D with the Task Manager. It's just sitting there.
Strange... Any ideas?
I'm on a PC with XPPro V10 latest.
Rainer

[Katachi]

hmm, cannot think of anything. Does it generate a crash report? I have reuploaded the scene and lowered the grid size. Maybe it got corrupt during upload. Can you try again if it works now?

[Katachi]

just to add, I am also on PC with WinXP.

[LemonNado]

Crazy, first file ca in as 17MB file, now it's about 439KB and it is still corrupting C4D. I just load it and it stops responding. It does not crash. It just sits there doing nothing.
I will verify which version I have loaded. Not that there is a missmatch between the dpit versions. I just got a delivery.... be back in a few
Rainer

[Katachi]

Something must be wrong with your download. I asked my beta testers, it works for them on PC (works fine on my PC too XP Home & XP Prof), MAC PPC and IntelMAC. It´s a 9.6 file, maybe that´s the problem? But it loads fine for me in 9.6 and 10 latest too. Not sure what is the problem for you...hmmm strange :shrug:

Here is a direct scene file version, maybe it´s the unzipping that makes problems for you.

http://www.dpit2.de/galerie/temp/spray.c4d

[Katachi]

If this also doesn´t work and still hangs, maybe it´s another plugin causing the hang? To verify, simply remove all the other plugins temporarily from your plugins folder and keep DPIT in there and then load the file. If it works then, you know it´s another plug causing this.

Otherwise I cannot think of anything else. Real strange.. :)

[ooo]

great example Samir!
Works allright with R10 on Mac PPC. Maybe LemonNado isn't working with the latest version of DPIT?

odo

[rsquires]

Hi Samir

that's absolutely perfect. Amazing thank you very much. It has exactly the right feel.

When you turn on the Fluid Sensei in the viewport why does it not look like the rendered version. It seems to be very different so do you simply look at the simple particles rather than the Fluid Sensei view to see the animation, and then test render to fine turn?

regards

richard

[Katachi]

great example Samir!
Works allright with R10 on Mac PPC. Maybe LemonNado isn't working with the latest version of DPIT?

odo

Thanks for checking odo!! That may be the problem (4.00.00b is necessary), however if he uses the latest I highly assume that it´s another plugin causing the issue. Let´s hope. :)

[Katachi]

Hi Samir

that's absolutely perfect. Amazing thank you very much. It has exactly the right feel.

When you turn on the Fluid Sensei in the viewport why does it not look like the rendered version. It seems to be very different so do you simply look at the simple particles rather than the Fluid Sensei view to see the animation, and then test render to fine turn?

regards

richard

yep, exactly! The "problem" with SimpleParticles is that they do not inject the velocity/smoke/heat in world space (as the fluid slave emitters do) and therefore the simulation is not that scalable.
So for them, I simply check with a low grid in editor how the simulation will approximately look like and then do test renders with slightly higher grid sizes (this is fast and gives me already a good preview and feel of what it turns out to be). Of course you could also simply increase the grid size in the editor, then you don´t need to render at all, however I prefer the rendered result (and the renderer with mid-res settings is fast, so it´s not that much of a problem).

And a lot of times the slightly higher grid sizes with an according noise flow map (as I used here) are already very satisfying. :)

Ah, did I mention that I have completed the video manuals for the fluids simulation and rendering? They can be downloaded from the secret user area! :D

Glad I could help!

[LemonNado]

Just checked and pfffff... V3.99.99 Dohhhhh
Once I find my mail with the link I'll load the latest version.
Sorry for the panic friends....
Rainer

[Katachi]

Just checked and pfffff... V3.99.99 Dohhhhh
Once I find my mail with the link I'll load the latest version.
Sorry for the panic friends....
Rainer

Ah! Yes, you should definetly update to the latest version. Lots of improvements and bug fixes in the final version. :)

[LemonNado]

I really don't want to be a bug on a sector in your harddisk 8).
Rainer

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