architect interior

[Claudio72]

here the wip.............maybe you find huge mistake( I hope so)

http://www.crosio.com/images/interior1.jpg

[ThirdEye]

1) show us the wireframe from the top with lights and so on
2) show us your GI settings and the disposition of stochastic samples after prepass

looking good but improvable ;)

[Claudio72]

ti devo una birra..............una cassa

http://www.crosio.com/images/prts1.jpg

[ThirdEye]

Ok your GI settings are a bit... wrong :p Accuracy: leave it 70% now. Prepass size: too low, it should be at least 1/2 imo. Diffuse depth: it could be ok. Stochastic samples: 30 is ridicolous, 100 at least for a good pic. The worst parameter you have is min-max resolution. Min res should be at least 1/10 the Max res. For example 3-30, or 3-20, don't leave too much "distance" between min and max because 1) rendertime will increase dramatically 2) you won't have an optimal quality. I'll tell you my usual settings, they're nice for every kind of pic more or less. accuracy 50-95% (it's the only parameter i regulate). Diffuse depth: 3 for objects in an open environment, higher for a closed environment like a room with only a window, a sunlight and a sky. Stochastic samples 115. Min-max resolution 3-20. I hope it helps :wavey:

[Claudio72]

it surely help.
Could you explain the max and min resolution variable? what does they manage?

[ThirdEye]

I think i should write a tutorial when i find the time... ;) Basically min and max resolution regulate the amount of photons in different kind of areas.

Let's suppose we have a cubic room with a window. One or more light sources outside the room and perhaps even a sky object emitting light. Light enters the room from the window and bounces as many times (diffuse depth parameter) you want in the room. In real life the bounces are infinite, so i leave this parameter usually very high for interiors scene (7,10, even 20). It will influence both color bleeding (you can tweak it with the saturation parameter in the material settings - illumination) and illumination strenght (you can tweak it with both the Strenght parameter in the render settings - radiosity and the Generate-Receive setting in the material settings - illumination). Min and Max res are the settings that let you distribute the light photons. In the prepass phase you'll see many dots in your pic. Min and Max res settings regulate how these dots will distribute in the scene. Min res regulates the distribution in wide flat areas (ie a floor of a room). Max res regulates the distribution in corners and "difficult" areas. Min res should be at least 1/10 the Max res. Stochastic samples parameter regulates the number of samples emitted by each dot you see in prepass size.
This is an ideal process as suggested by Cebas finalRender official tutorials (don't forget that C4D gi code is the "father" of finalRender gi code): keep low every setting (expecially the stochastic samples setting) and launch a prepass render, observ the scene and stochastic samples disposition, expecially in "difficult areas" like corners. Increase the max res parameter until you see a good amount of samples in corner areas. Regulate the min res parameter using the rule of 1/10. Now increase the accuracy too. Increase the number of stochastic samples till you don't see splotches anymore. Use the diffuse depth parameter to regulate the number of bounces (this is the 1st thing to do if your image is dark) and the general contrast of the image. If your image is still dark increase the light sources strength and/or the Generate setting of your material and the Strength setting in the radiosity panel. I hope it makes sense. :wavey:

[Claudio72]

perfect explaination :buttrock:

[Claudio72]

http://www.crosio.com/images/kitchen3.jpg


some hint to improve the look? :hmm:

[ThirdEye]

Personally i'd change the marble texture, it's not so belieavable, and i'd increase the bump of the floor :wavey:

[ThirdEye]

Here's a 3 minutes test (3 minutes to model, map, lighten and setup everything) using my method, 13 minutes rendertime (high rendertime because of the area shadows) :wavey:

[Claudio72]

as usual your test are ****in' nice third_

But........try to change this one...........and remember.........I can pay for your work, I think people works hard for something has to be payied in some occasions!!

My thread start with this sentence:

"Do you know if I can find such kind of interior model to buy(shaders included btw)?"


the c4d file is coming next.........

[Claudio72]

model (http://www.crosio.com/images/iceberg.zip)

[ThirdEye]

I'd help you but now i only have a demo version of C4D and the demos, you know, are not for commercial use. Plus i have a couple exams at university so i don't really have the time to do anything :hmm: By the way if you need suggestions for your projects i'll be glad to help you, this forum is here for this reason :)

[Claudio72]

Third_, never tried to give cinema 4D live course in Italy?


Perchè non tieni dei corsi di cinema 4d in Italia? Prova a cercare dei corsi di cinema 4d e dimmi se li trovi!!! Troverai solo gente che li cerca, ma tu credi che ce ne siano tanti meglio di te in Italia?.......no............nemmeno io.........anzi.............credo che tu sia il numero 1! Non pensare alla roma che ha perso ancora!! Pensa a mettere su una pagina per sponsorizzare dei corsi a Roma!!!

[ThirdEye]

Veramente sono interista :D comunque ho conosciuto un paio di aspiranti docenti di C4D in Italia... Sorvoliamo sul livello di conoscenze, chiedevano la roba a me. Grazie per avermi eletto a n°1 in Italia per quanto riguarda C4D, Gianluca Mattia non scherza certo comunque (scrive anche tutorial su 3D professional), dai un'occhiata alla sua homepage studioideabari.it, il nick qua su cgtalk è gianluca. Per quanto riguarda i corsi l'idea mi alletta, sarebbe interessante, il problema è che di character animation ancora non so nulla, mi devo mettere a impararla, per quanto riguarda modeling, texturing, lighting e rendering mi ritengo abbastanza competente, ma di animazione ancora sono a secco. Aspetto che il c4dzone.com risorga, so che loro cercavano persone per fare da istruttori, staremo a vedere. :wavey:

translation:

I support Inter football club, not Rome :D btw i've known a couple of C4D wannabe teachers here in Italy... Their level wasn't the best indeed, they asked advices to me. Thank you for telling me i'm the number 1 C4D user in Italy, but there are other good users like Gianluca Mattia (he writes also some tutorials for 3D professional), have a look at his homepage studioideabari.it, his nickname here at cgtalk is gianluca. The C4D lessons would be interesting indeed, but i don't know anything about Character Animation, i have to learn it; modeling, texturing, lighting and rendering are my best areas. I wait for C4Dzone.com to live again, i knew they searched for C4D teachers, we will see... :wavey:

[Mike Hooma]

thanks thirdeye that radiosity info was just what I was wondering about!
its been so frustrating playing with radiosity! :beer:

[ThirdEye]

I'm glad i've been useful for you :wavey:

[Claudio72]

Anche io tengo all'Inter e direi che sono "molto" tifoso.
Il sito di gianluca mi dice poco, per quanto riguarda 3d professional, ho tentato di abbonarmi senza successo e qui non si riesce a trovare niente.

Fossi in te io non attenderei che riapra c4dzone.
D'altra parte il fatto che ti manca soltanto l'animation non è un problema. Un corso base o avanzato in tutto il resto puoi farlo tranquillamente. Io provo a vedere cosa riesco a organizzare.


english:
My favorite football team is Inter too, I consider myself a big supporter!!
I think you've not to wait for c4dzone.com, actually the animation should be a separated course, and you can affort either basic and advanced courses.
About me, I would like to know what I'm able to organize to give courses. Now don't think I'm a sucker because of that, I know I'm not a real expert but I think I've decend c4d knowledges.


cheers

[Claudio72]

Originally posted by ThirdEye_01
Here's a 3 minutes test (3 minutes to model, map, lighten and setup everything) using my method, 13 minutes rendertime (high rendertime because of the area shadows) :wavey:


I love the shader on the floor and the walls, is it possible to get it?

[ThirdEye]

http://www.hut.fi/u/vhautala/concrete.jpg :wavey:

[Claudio72]

you're a database of interesting URL

[FusionDG]

Originally posted by ThirdEye_01
http://www.hut.fi/u/vhautala/concrete.jpg :wavey:
OOOhhh, that's a nice one, thx!:thumbsup:

paul

[Peoples]

That's actually my site......I found this pic somewhere via c4dtreff.de - so I'm not sure if I have the rights to keep it available - but it's there for the moment so enjoy.

[Peoples]

I had to remove the walltexture from my site - sorry:shrug:

[Claudio72]

I've tons of interesting texture(5.5 Mpix) I've taken with my camera in the last months.........I will share it soon.

It's a pity you've to remove that texture!!

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