Max Renderer optimization

[mouj]

Howdy !

my guess is good modeling, good texturing and good lighting setup should give a good render quality, no matter what renderer.
Max's scanline is not that bad at all, and i've always seen people render tremendous images out of it. Now it's even better with the new "Advanced Lighting" tools, because it can be more accurate or physically correct, but eventhough it's always a matter of lighting and everything...

mouj

[Is-boset]

those nice pic you can have it if you have a render engine in your 3Dmax such as Brazil, MentalRay, Finalrender, VirtualRay (this one you can downloaded free) :D

[Eudaimic]

You'll just often see that Brazil for instance will handle bumpmaps hundreds of times better than the scanline.

[Eudaimic]

Originally posted by Is-boset
those nice pic you can have it if you have a render engine in your 3Dmax such as Brazil, MentalRay, Finalrender, VirtualRay (this one you can downloaded free) :D

Yeah I know, but look at some of the PR shots from max 5, they look amazing, and I just don't get how they could get that quality with the default renderer.

Maybe if they rendererd out in 2x scale and rescaled or something.

[mouj]

Well that's what they're here for: these plugins work a lot better than Max's scanline, no doubt ! and quite faster too, especially on raytracing, GI, hdri...
You were speaking of AA, in Brazil you have complete control over your AA settings, which you don't in scanline, and so on...

still, i am pretty confident that Max's scanline can be used to produce high quality imagery...just take a look at discreet's 3dsmax's gallery and pictures by Chris Pember for examples, and you'll see what i mean: no rendering plugins were used in those pics...

my2cents

mouj

[Eudaimic]

Originally posted by mouj
Well that's what they're here for: these plugins work a lot better than Max's scanline, no doubt ! and quite faster too, especially on raytracing, GI, hdri...
You were speaking of AA, in Brazil you have complete control over your AA settings, which you don't in scanline, and so on...

still, i am pretty confident that Max's scanline can be used to produce high quality imagery...just take a look at discreet's 3dsmax's gallery and pictures by Chris Pember for examples, and you'll see what i mean: no rendering plugins were used in those pics...

my2cents

mouj

... that's what I'm saying!

[Is-boset]

did you read the advanced ligthing tutorials?

[Eudaimic]

I haven't read through all of it, no. But I'm using it in my scene.

But unless that drastically changes how it handles anti-aliasing I don't see what difference that would make. Sure it makes it look a lot better, but there's still a grace anti-aliasing problem.

[Nikodemus]

check your PM messages...

[Jon_Pran]

Max's renderer can be pretty great in the right hands. Somewhere on here there was a comparison that people were doing between Brazil and faked GI. The faked stuff was so close you'd never know and it rendered faster. You have to create the setup for it and it would be tough for an indoor scene, but it's possible.
It always comes down to the skills of the artist, not the software.

[Eudaimic]

Originally posted by Jon_Pran
It always comes down to the skills of the artist, not the software.

Which is why I'm asking ^_^

[gaggle]

Unless you're doing 4k cinema-quality imagery I doubt the quality of AA will matter much. I mean.. it's not like the scanline doesn't have AA, that would of course be horrible :), but as it is, it's my experience it holds up quite nicely.

Do you have some specific useage that MAX can't handle properly?

The wonderful pictures people make all the time, imho, doesn't rely on having the right piece of technology. You can do nice lighting with Brazil, but you can fake the same look with Ze Scahnlihne™. But all that its-up-to-the-arteest stuff is quite the beaten horse already I suppose :)

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