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mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 04:20 AM
wow, this is a nice improvement.

for all of us with intel mac's this really speeds things up, i think i may spend tomorrow painting and going over some of my raw shots (oh and now you can use camera raw on jpgs too!)

download link for windows
http://trials.adobe.com/pub/esd/labs/photoshopcs3/adobephotoshop_10_12-14-06.exe

download for mac
http://trials.adobe.com/pub/esd/labs/photoshopcs3/adobephotoshop_10_12-14-06.dmg

link to get your new cs3 serial *you need valid cs2 serial that has been registered* and if you do u can just login and copy paste your serial in the box like I did.

if anyone wants pix of the interface let me know, or you can just download it yourself and play around (it is free to cs2 owners)

adobe.com/go/photoshopcs3beta_serialnumber

the non destructive layers are here for filters (adjustment layers for filters) a new black and white adjustment layer is also here.

and the bridge is soo much faster and includes a new loupe function!

edit-
I have actually came across a few bugs so far into using bridge. I adore the Loupe function But it seems to be having some redraw errors, it may be from a bad cache of the older bridge data I am not sure.

here is what it looks like the way it should work
http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/9825/bridge1vj5.th.jpg (http://img279.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bridge1vj5.jpg)
and what it looks like during some redraw error
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9082/bridge2errorfr7.th.jpg (http://img348.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bridge2errorfr7.jpg)

I also wish I could sort by rating based on my previous ratings from using the other bridge, and that they had a drop down menu that provided this like bridge from cs2

I know this is beta, I hope adobe can address some of these issues, other than that I love it! And will be buyin it, I doubt I buy the professional version if it just adds video editing features, what do you guys think?

edit 2- noticed that it isnt reading all of my camera exif data in bridge, I ignored it at first as I thought it was recacheing my directory but that does not seem to be the case, here is another shot i took that same day at the beach (Currituck beach in NC) that shows my exif data fine in the same folder.

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/3679/cameradataui4.th.jpg (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cameradataui4.jpg)

TopherMartini
12-15-2006, 04:55 AM
I've never had so much anticipation over a beta, and at 684MB it's going to be a rather long wait... :banghead:

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 05:04 AM
what is odd, is the demo for windows is under 400 megs!
but i like the new cs3, very smooth. smart filters are great too
here is a pic using smart filters to show how it is (you must convert your layer to an smart object) similar to converting type to a rasterized version

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7770/cs3oo0.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cs3oo0.jpg)

Wongedan
12-15-2006, 05:11 AM
what is odd, is the demo for windows is under 400 megs!
but i like the new cs3, very smooth. smart filters are great too
here is a pic using smart filters to show how it is (you must convert your layer to an smart object) similar to converting type to a rasterized version

http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/7770/cs3oo0.th.jpg (http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cs3oo0.jpg)


woooowww undestructive filter system!! ^^

Leionaaad
12-15-2006, 05:15 AM
yey. I always used to apply filters to a copy of the layer and hide the original (just in case I need to go back for some reason). The smart filter thing can be quite usefull, This is what I needed for a long time, and I always thought "why the heck they don't give more freedom?"
now they did.
Any other significant change? Other new features?

gtarplyer
12-15-2006, 05:27 AM
Can you cut/paste a list of features from their "whats new in CS3" docs? Pleeeease?

Or just tell us what's new? (the links you sent don't seem to work, can't find the .exe)

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 05:32 AM
yes many! one really cool feature is the smart objects follow through when converting modes, say you switch to lab to do some color work. I usually sharpen inside of lab and apply many curve functions--sadly you still cant transfer curves but that is kind of a no-brainer, but it is cool you can transfer filters between modes.

the curves box now shows highlights, histogram, and clipping.
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/1183/curvesib4.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=curvesib4.jpg)

their is a new auto blend function that automatically blends colors between photos and auto aligns them (similar to when you stitch a pano in photoshop) which is useful if you are using a point and shoot camera and have no access to the white balance.

of course now with cs3 and camera raw 4 you can use camera raw on your jpgs, that is big in my book.

their is a save for device feature, which is useful for making cell phone wallpapers
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/5938/deviceop6.th.jpg (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=deviceop6.jpg)


atleast on the mac, the interface fades into and out of use when you go to another application or back to your desktop (which is a really nice effect!)

you can press F 4 times and go to a full screen mode (and still use your tab features to get rid of the tool box)

and their is the new quick selection tool, which is pretty cool (fast like the lasso but more precise)

erilaz
12-15-2006, 05:38 AM
The beta link seems to have gone.

DDS
12-15-2006, 05:39 AM
The beta link seems to have gone.

I think it's there but totally overloaded, which makes it as unusable as if it was out

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 05:48 AM
chances are many people were waiting until midnight to download this, and will be getting hammered all night, if you keep tryin to download you will get through, it took me 10 mins, but the download speed was 600k average, so very fast.

for what it's worth the camera raw plugin says it expires in may 07, no word on when the main application expires.

Per-Anders
12-15-2006, 05:54 AM
the non destructive layers look good and the improvements to the curves, the overall interface seems fairly nice and clean, how does it feel? speedwise, and workflow (has that changed much?) how long till the actual release now?

though one thing - dunno why you bothered to look at the non feature, i.e. the deeply hated festering turdpool of a bad replacement for a perfectly quick and good os inbuilt function that is "bridge" (let along examine and show us it as the first "highlight", that was cruel to do to us desperate to see actual new features! :( ).

anyhow looking forward to seeing what new decent features are in there!

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 06:06 AM
bridge in this release is very nice, I dont know any decent built in OS feature that can organize photos the way bridge does, granted you can use extensis, iphoto, picasa, or any other media manager but I like bridge.

With the new Stack feature (you can choose to link images and cmd/cntrl +G / group) your image and bascially stack similar images together and then expand them when you need. (sort of like after a photoshoot you stack like images in a pile opposed to throwing them out all over the floor--atleast some of us do)

if you are taking photos of the same subject with multiple exposures for HDR or shooting panos, it is nice for these to no longer take up several rows on your screen.

I also enjoy searching my photos by keywords which you really need to use inside of bridge.

if you want "cool new" cs3 features, well ok!


cs3 has a new feature called Zoomify, that allows you to take a high res image (render), and choose your settings, and it will create an interface (flash) that allows the end user to zoom into your image, you store your high res on your website, and it will load up a small res version of what you make, and the user zooms in at will.

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/8760/zoommb7.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zoommb7.jpg)

Per-Anders
12-15-2006, 06:16 AM
nah that stuff is for the media edition and iDunno crowd, toys. I'm thinking cool as in any new filters, live filter layers, color mixing, enhanced 32 support, brush engine improvements, stuff like that. is the speed any better.

on the bridge i was just thinking of the standard os file windows and folder windows, nothing fancy at all provided you leran how to keep decent file structure and store favourites, it just works and is fast, bridge doesn't add anything, it just offers just a way to waste space and slow down workflow (imo).

TopherMartini
12-15-2006, 06:17 AM
anyhow looking forward to seeing what new decent features are in there!
After launching the app you can goto Window -> Workspace -> What's New in CS3 and it will highlight all of the new features in the menu bars. Too many things to list, but overall there are some cool new features and features that existed in other apps.

The best feature imo is the Universal Binary, it's very nice to have Photoshop run natively instead of through Rosetta.

It'd be interesting to run some benchmarks of CS2 via Rosetta, CS3 via Rosetta, and CS3 Native to see which configuration change makes the biggest difference in performance.

Anyone want to share some PS Actions and let the fun begin? :D

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 06:22 AM
Prob the best / most time saving feature in cs3 is the new quick select option, I played around with it a little before but now I have fallen in love, basically you take a picture, and using the quick select tool, the tool is actually a brush, and it selects based on color using your brush (much much better than the wand or select by color box) i mean complex selections are done in like 3 secs (stuff that could take a min or 2), not to mention the new refine edge option, which can put your selection on a black matte so you can see what you really have selected and then use the new features to adjust your selection

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/7430/refinebw6.th.jpg (http://img278.imageshack.us/my.php?image=refinebw6.jpg)

Per-Anders
12-15-2006, 06:25 AM
Now that looks useful, so does that replace the extract tool? (or is it an extension of the magnet selection?)

Per-Anders
12-15-2006, 06:27 AM
After launching the app you can goto Window -> Workspace -> What's New in CS3 and it will highlight all of the new features in the menu bars. Too many things to list, but overall there are some cool new features and features that existed in other apps.

Care to make a snapshot/copy paste for those of us not using CS yet (you need a CS2 serial to run it)? Not to mention their servers seem swamped anyway.

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 06:28 AM
It will replace the extract tool in your daily workflow

What OS are you using Per-Anders? Im using this on an Intel Mac it is a decent improvement compared to using it in Rosetta, I have run across a few snags along the way (taking a long time to load the type tool for this demo) but the interface does seem snazzier, I have cs on windows, and I feel cs was faster than cs2, and CS2 just seemed to take longer to get work done, CS3's speed does not blow me away (mac pro 3gb ram quadro fx) but I will really be testing it out tomorrow, so far it is less buggy than Rosetta, but if you are using windows, and just painting textures or images, I see no real reason to use the beta, as it is beta and will have problems

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 06:35 AM
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5224/newin3zg7.th.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newin3zg7.jpg)

that what you're wanting?

or
http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/1796/newin3allen5.th.jpg (http://img334.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newin3allen5.jpg)

Per-Anders
12-15-2006, 06:36 AM
Windows and OSX (non intel) currently. Thanks for the info, hopefully they'll be able to squeeze a little more speed out of it then before release. One last question, can all filters be used as "smart" or only a few?

JYoung
12-15-2006, 06:47 AM
I had heard there would be the ability to rotate the canvas like painter. Did that happen?

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 06:50 AM
No Prob, they are supposed to be using open gl to make the interface snazzier, and I heard that was disabled in this demo release.

CS3 currently takes me about 2.5-6 secs from clicking the icon in my dock to be in the interface (quicker than cs2 in rosetta, and cs in windows), and works right away, opposed to launching cs2 in rosetta, going to get a drink, coming back, and hoping my first curves adjustment doesnt cause it to do its daily morning crash (normally crashes just once a day!)

but again, if your into photography and shoot folders in excess of 4gb on a regular basis, the bridge update is worth it, if you can stand not having your previous ratings appear-- which is alot of work, it is worth it. If you are using camera raw, the new vibrance adjustment and the ability to use camera raw on jpgs is a nice improvement as well.

making complex selections is now much easier. so if your photoshop work entails matte paintings, or photography, using the beta just makes sense.

if your an intel mac user it makes sense reguardless.

if your a texture painter, 2d sketcher/painter, I cannot see a reason to use this beta.

and for those wondering, fireworks nor image ready is included in this beta.

later on tomorrow I may work on some of my larger 300mb+ panoramas and see how cs3 likes them, using filters in cs2 on these files took a long time, so I still have plenty that I have not edited as of yet.

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 06:54 AM
No, I wish you could rotate like in painter, as it just makes sense

I also wish you could increase your brush size the way you do in painter but that isnt in here either. =\

itsallgoode9
12-15-2006, 07:00 AM
woooowww undestructive filter system!! ^^

THANK GOD! I have no clue why this hasn't been in earlier versions. Thank you Adobe!

TopherMartini
12-15-2006, 07:05 AM
The collapsable tool bars are pretty darn cool and extremely useful...

http://www.tophermartini.com/pics/CollaspableToolBar.gif

The ability to reclaim screen real estate but still have access to all of the tool bars you need will save TONS of time :bounce:

This is one of those sneaker features that was easy to overlook at first, but now I can't stop playing with it :D

jason-slab
12-15-2006, 07:10 AM
is there a link to the NEw features list?

thx\
j

undoz
12-15-2006, 07:22 AM
Here is a mirror: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php/235628/adobephotoshop10121406.exe

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 07:29 AM
CS3 is quite responsive, the new enhancements in photo merge (creating panos) makes the feature worth using (they updated their image blending) I usually have bad results and use other third party software to create stitches, but thus far cs3 is fairing quite well in that part.

worked on a 200mb 60x10inch pano (with the original raw files still open, along with itunes, mozilla, bridge, and painter) applied multiple curves, and some filters and had really great response.

the biggest speed bump I noticed as an intel mac user was no more delays when using the healing brush as much as I do. (used to get a 2-3 second slow down and the beach ball effect--hourglass for windows users) now i just keep on going, really suprised me.

I am pleased with this release thus far, but Adobe will need to do some more marketing to make me want to buy the higher end version.

DDS
12-15-2006, 08:12 AM
man these links don't work :(

holosynthetic
12-15-2006, 08:21 AM
This link worked for me: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs%5Fphotoshop

robodesign
12-15-2006, 09:19 AM
can you import 3D objects?

battiana
12-15-2006, 11:31 AM
the CS3 Serial number page doesn`t accept my CS2 Serial number.
Even if I copy amd paste it from my " product registration" page.
I bought CS2 as part of the Video Collection Professional in october 2005.
Any ideas?

undoz
12-15-2006, 12:42 PM
Any ideea what's with the auto antialiasing that's happening when the image is displayed at 100%?
I'd like to see the actual pixel unaltered at 100%.


Also I'm noticing some color or gamma difference on the image, between the original and optimized display, in the save for web dialog (I'm talking about jpg. If I use "save as" it looks ok).

Tripdragon
12-15-2006, 01:01 PM
what about zoom at say 66% or other non 5 degree zoom levels? Are they still jaggie and blocky ?

BigJay
12-15-2006, 01:02 PM
your links don't work. did they take them down?


-Oops. Nevermind I saw the new link

mynewcat
12-15-2006, 01:22 PM
FYI: When you install it, you can use a 30 day trial as well, for people who may not have CS2.

ThomasMahler
12-15-2006, 01:23 PM
Hmmm, will be interesting to see if this update is finally worth it.

I do like the Quick Select thingy - Having a brush to select stuff is incredibly useful and I dunno why they haven't implemented that before. Going over an Alpha often time is just not the fastest way to do things, so that's a nice improvement.

Also, I'm a bridge hater as well - I so loved the File Browser in Photoshop 7, it was fast, it launched instantaneous and it just worked. Bridge takes like 10 seconds to launch, it's slow and there's a lot of stuff missing that I'd expect from a image browsing software. Like, I'd love to have tabs of multiple images open at a time and store them as sessions (Heck, Storing Sessions in Firefox made things so much easier), I'd love to store sessions as references or folders, so that I could access them later on without looking through photos again, etc.

So, how did Bridge improve? Is it faster now? Is it more useful? I'm using a mix between Picasa and XnView now and I hate it with a passion. In XnView, I can't store any sessions and while designing, I tend to have dozens of images open at a time, having to open them the next day again and again really sucks.

Oops, but I drifted off topic! I'm already downloading CS3, we'll see if Adobe made some bigger changes this time around.

undoz
12-15-2006, 01:25 PM
what about zoom at say 66% or other non 5 degree zoom levels? Are they still jaggie and blocky ?

The correct way is to be jagged. The top image looks correct. The lines were created with the pencil.
The second one is a screen capture of how they are displayed in photoshop at 100%. The zoom at 500% is just as an aid to observe the difference between the images.

I don't really care how they are displayed at other zoom levels, but I expect to look pixel perfect and non altered at 100%.

Is it just a problem at my end? Can anyone verify this?

cresshead
12-15-2006, 01:37 PM
couple of questions on the beta and what's proposed as the final release version capabilities.

1.can you import 3d models and paint on the uv surfaces like that of bodypaint?

2.can you rotate the canvas like that of corel painter or tvpaint animation?

3.will it have a animatable timeline of any sorts?

undoz
12-15-2006, 01:48 PM
From what I've seen so far ..

1:no
2:no
3:no

cresshead
12-15-2006, 01:50 PM
those answers are on the beta yeah?

is there a de facto feature guide as yet for what will be in 'cs3' and also what will be in 'cs3 pro'?


found a feature guide

http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/25003.html

currently looks like u.i. edits mainly

steve g

SylvanMist
12-15-2006, 02:09 PM
In the Bridge, can you now save an image directly in that program?
For instance when you rotate an image in the bridge, if you want it saved you then have to open it in Photoshop and hit save..it's a pain.

NUKE-CG
12-15-2006, 02:26 PM
Decent 16-bit editing yet? like not having half the features grey out in the menus :hmm:

Daolohua CnC
12-15-2006, 02:26 PM
To be honest, I'm disappointed.

I really was hoping for the ability to rotate the canvas, primarily, as thats really one of the major remaining hurdles PS has when it comes to digital illustration (or at least to me).

Is there a better way to bring up the color picker without having to click on the sidebar? (swatches only get you so far)

I'm also no big fan of the bridge, either. Unless its faster than the navigator in CS now, I ain't usin' it.
The rest of these features are nice but are more evolutionary.

hentsteph
12-15-2006, 02:32 PM
the CS3 Serial number page doesn`t accept my CS2 Serial number.
Even if I copy amd paste it from my " product registration" page.
I bought CS2 as part of the Video Collection Professional in october 2005.
Any ideas?

You need the " - " symbole between numbers like this 10XX-XXX-XXX-XXX...

ThomasMahler
12-15-2006, 02:37 PM
Decent 16-bit editing yet? like not having half the features grey out in the menus :hmm:

Nah, it seems to be the same thing as in CS2.

Here's a little Video Podcast, quite cool, showing off some of the new features:

http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/browserRedirect?url=itms%253A%252F%252Fax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewPodcast%253Fid%253D208580926%2526s%253D143441%2526i%253D12784213

By the way, is this version available as 64bit as well?

It's a bit annoying that there's no canvas rotation and that 16bit is still limited, but I really like some of the new stuff they put in. The smart filters will be great, the selection brush sounds great as well and so on and so on.

battiana
12-15-2006, 02:43 PM
You need the " - " symbole between numbers like this 10XX-XXX-XXX-XXX...

thanks, thats the way I tried, but it doesn`t work.

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 03:45 PM
Battiana is your version educational? or was it part of an OEM copy (both are not available for upgrades, and as such you may not be able to get to use the new cs3 beta)

Bridge is not the best application in the world for handeling a large number of images, (Im becoming more and more in love with aperture for that, as the ease of use and the massive storage abilities make bridge cringe) but it is free with photoshop, and I think deserves a fair chance. I have many folders in excess of 8gb and bridge can read these folders, and sort to my liking. But I do not like that I cannot transfer ratings done in Bridge to the new Bridge, nor can it read the lightroom beta ratings! So the countless hours spent proofing images, and apply keywords will have to be redone in CS3--less it is only supported in the final version.

I want to give bridge a chance, as it's cross platform.
One thing I like about the bridge is the stack view which lets you put like images in a "stack" and the command control/cmd + G is easy enough for us maya users.

The things I think CS3 needs prior to final release, is the abilitiy to rotate the canvas like painter (so incredibly useful), and the dynamic brush resize that is available in painter (similar to resizing the sculpt tool in maya)

CS3 now has 32 bit mode that you can edit your images in, however this is not as useful as you may think, as you do not have access to curves, only levels, and the program does run a bit slow in 32 bit mode. And PS treats it as it if was a HDR image.

Inside of 16 bit mode it is pretty useful now, you can use curves, filters, (blur, sharpen, and the ones you would most likly be using on a 16 bit image in the first place (seems smart blur is not available in 16 bit mode but smart sharpen is)

You can use the handy quick select tool in 16 bit mode, and still refine edges, so I dont view 16 bit mode as crippled any more, as I can do everything I need to in a photo inside 16 bit mode. The only thing "crippled" about 16 bit mode now is lack of some filters (smart blur being the only one I really miss when working on photos)

And I dont know about anyone else, but I never use 16bit mode when painting textures or creating abstract images, as I do not see the point.


As 3d is concerned, this version is the standard version and does not support that; has anyone really heard that you will be able to use photoshop like bodypaint to paint your textures on? If that is true that may be reason for me to upgrade to the pro version.

Crazzy Legs
12-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Adobe said, there wouldn't be a 64-bit. At least with this release.

battiana
12-15-2006, 04:12 PM
Battiana is your version educational? or was it part of an OEM copy (both are not available for upgrades, and as such you may not be able to get to use the new cs3 beta)


I bought a full version of the Video Collection Pro (including Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere Pro, Audition and Encore) last year. The package included serial numbers for each software on the back of the CD case.

Did anyone with a Video Collection Pro succeed in getting a beta Serial number?

EDIT:
using the Serialnumber from the CS2 systeminformation (which is 4 digits shorter) didn`t work either.

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 04:39 PM
here is a video from macworld, talking to a developer, this will tell you about the new features

http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/mwvodcast/2006/12/mwvodcast2/index.php

Daolohua CnC
12-15-2006, 05:51 PM
Hey is this version of PS any better at handling large files? I had to drop back to CS when CS2 was chugging on images over 4k pixels.

L.Rawlins
12-15-2006, 07:09 PM
Adding a poll to this thread would be handy. It'd be useful to be able to quickly gauge the opinions of professionals who've spent time playing with the beta. As follows:-

- Impressive Upgrade
- Competent Upgrade
- Disappointing Upgrade
- Lacklustre Upgrade

Any chance the original poster or a mod could tweak the thread to accomodate a similarly veined satisfaction survey for quick reference please?

Cheers.

mistafreeze
12-15-2006, 07:29 PM
sure, done

L.Rawlins
12-15-2006, 07:33 PM
sure, done

Thank you.

Koogle
12-15-2006, 07:59 PM
-Lacklustre Upgrade

there you go thats my vote. I couldn't even be bothered to list all the areas that could have been improved.

Seriously though I don't think Adobe have a friggin clue anymore, they've become fat and slow and it shows, they must just think the competiton couldn't ever catchup..I hope they do. Its going to be interesting in seeing what the new Flash will be like, Macromedia were really pushing that forward then Adobe got them..hmmm probably small improvements from now on.

And Bridge.. man what a joke that is, bloatware for sure.. unless you're a mac user, then its probably only the only decent thing available... but there are far better apps for the pc, and free ones too, that do a better job at it than bridge.

And whats with them chucking out beta apps for us to test, I know its done a lot now, and there is nothing wrong with giving the public beta's to test especially when there is only a small development team as the feedback is important. It just peeves me when its these big companies that start getting the public to help them do there job and give them ideas, will we see a much improved cs3 before release now that the beta is out? doubt it

Fuzatron
12-15-2006, 09:47 PM
I bought a full version of the Video Collection Pro (including Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere Pro, Audition and Encore) last year. The package included serial numbers for each software on the back of the CD case.

Did anyone with a Video Collection Pro succeed in getting a beta Serial number?

EDIT:
using the Serialnumber from the CS2 systeminformation (which is 4 digits shorter) didn`t work either.

Try going here...
www.adobe.com/go/photoshopcs3beta_serialnumber (http://www.adobe.com/go/photoshopcs3beta_serialnumber)
You may have to sign in first. I couldn't use my cs2 serial, but the one generated here works.

Edit: Sorry.... Looks like maybe that is what you were already doing?

ngrava
12-15-2006, 11:42 PM
For those of you who may be having issues with the link provided on the first page, this is an easier link:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopcs3/

Ikarus
12-16-2006, 12:35 AM
Thanks for the link ngrava, as I was trying the one on the first page :thumbsup:

NUKE-CG
12-16-2006, 01:43 AM
Inside of 16 bit mode it is pretty useful now, you can use curves, filters, (blur, sharpen, and the ones you would most likly be using on a 16 bit image in the first place (seems smart blur is not available in 16 bit mode but smart sharpen is)

You can use the handy quick select tool in 16 bit mode, and still refine edges, so I dont view 16 bit mode as crippled any more, as I can do everything I need to in a photo inside 16 bit mode. The only thing "crippled" about 16 bit mode now is lack of some filters (smart blur being the only one I really miss when working on photos)

And I dont know about anyone else, but I never use 16bit mode when painting textures or creating abstract images, as I do not see the point.
Some of us like to have more control, and Adobe are stuck in the past with their confusing priorities. I'd like nothing more than to see a program making Photoshop redundant, Adobe are out of touch and have been for years.

Rhs_CG
12-16-2006, 02:17 AM
I really like the UI changes. Reminds me of modo a bit.

I agree that there doesn't seem like much in this version, but it doesn't have all of the features CS3 will have. From http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopcs3/:

"We have no doubt, however, that all of our customers will enjoy exploring the new Photoshop CS3 beta and seeing some of the new features (http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/photoshopcs3/releasenotes.html#new) we have in store." (emphasis added)

I hope that means we'll see some impressive stuff in spring, or perhaps a later beta. But non-destructive filters is great. No more saving files at different stages.

Wintermute
12-16-2006, 07:28 PM
…and the dynamic brush resize that is available in painter (similar to resizing the sculpt tool in maya)…

Considering I've never used either app, how does that function? As opposed to using the "[" and "]" keys to change your brush size and using "shift=[" and "shift=]" to change the hardness/softness of your current brush?

My only gripe with the bridge in cs2 is that if you try to open a (photoshop) file before the bridge is done processing it's preview, Photoshop gives you an error that the file is locked

I've gotten the beta, still need to install and register tho. :wip:

Chris-TC
12-16-2006, 09:21 PM
You can see all the new features in action here:
http://www.photoshopuser.com/cs3/index.html

There's some cool additions in CS3, but I think Smart Filters are THE most important new feature. Finally we get non-destructive filters, I've been waiting for that soooo long.

CIM
12-16-2006, 10:43 PM
Considering I've never used either app, how does that function? As opposed to using the "[" and "]" keys to change your brush size and using "shift=[" and "shift=]" to change the hardness/softness of your current brush?

You simply hold down a hotkey and drag to resize the brush.

Hecartha
12-17-2006, 09:39 AM
There is something disturbing in the new UI, you can't use anymore the horizontal toolbar (under the menu bar) to place any panels in the shelf. You can bring out the brushes panel from the right side to place it on the toolbar but the panel is still a flying panel, so if you change the screen mode switching to full screen mode with menu bar and to full screen mode without menu bar this panel will not follow anymore the toolbar.
It seems a bad thing to not use the available useless space on this bar...
The other disturbing thing is when your brushes panel is open and you've placed it on the horizontal toolbar, it does not close anymore when you paint on the canvas.

The good point is using flying panels, you can attach now any panel to one other and move this new group as it was only one panel.

mech7
12-17-2006, 10:07 AM
You simply hold down a hotkey and drag to resize the brush.

Yeah why doesnt PS has this ? Maya, Zbrush has this and it just works better

jimmy-paillet
12-17-2006, 03:49 PM
doesn't seem to be an upgrade for painters...
the ability to rotate canvas is asked by so many people that it's just ridiculous
to not implement it...well this is not final version and maybe it will be included...

let's hope that corel, unlike adobe, will listen their customers and give a kickass Painter X...

L.Rawlins
12-17-2006, 06:00 PM
doesn't seem to be an upgrade for painters...
the ability to rotate canvas is asked by so many people that it's just ridiculous
to not implement it...well this is not final version and maybe it will be included...

let's hope that corel, unlike adobe, will listen their customers and give a kickass Painter X...

I think we'd all love to see some convergence between the ideals of both Painter and Photoshop, but from their very branding, you have to acknowledge that they are both targeting slightly different markets. At the moment, one doesn't impede upon the other. I'm not so sure they want to step on each others toes when they can both coexist and profit quite happily alongside each other.

I really hope I'm wrong though, I want to toy with canvas rotation myself without forking out for two softwares. Ideally, attaching the rotate command to a Wacom Intuos 3 touchstrip so that I can get my mixmaster DJ groove on free of the keyboard. :)

saiko
12-17-2006, 08:05 PM
2.can you rotate the canvas like that of corel painter or tvpaint animation?



Few months back there was an article in some website saying that PS CS3 is going to have that feature.....I have been wating for a long time...as need badly in my digital sketching / painting workflow.

If they don't add it to the final release of CS3 (I am still hoping it would be there! :D)....I'd be really disappointed.

thatoneguy
12-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Is there a hotkey now so that you can click-drag/scale your bruth size like:

Painter, Combustion, I think mudbox, and every other decent painting app on the planet?

In combustion you hold down control and then you drag out the size of your brush stroke. It's super fast, really really really useful.

Gattung
12-22-2006, 06:30 AM
According to an adobe engineer...

Why were you "expecting" canvas rotation?

Yeah, we tried to make it work - but the video cards and drivers just aren't quite up to it yet.

From the Adobe CS3 forums. (http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72&catid=626&threadid=1224114&highlight_key=y&keyword1=rotate)

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