Awarded 3D short film "Valle Paraiso" now ON-LINE!

[sforsyth]

That's very cool Eduardo, congratulations on finishing it.

Can I ask you, did you work on this full time for 2 years? If so, how can anyone afford to do that? :curious:

[posmaker]

Thank you sforsyth,

Of course I was not working full time on the film. I was freelancing at the same time, otherwise I have no idea how to produce it and keep living at the same time.

Cheers

Edu

[DrEvilBear]

nearly 12 mins of 3d animation in 2 yrs, at this quality, on your own, while working on other things too...

pretty darned impressive if you ask me!

bravo :applause:

[heney]

Congrats, it must feel great to see the final product after two years of work. Visually I love the film. There is some great cinematography and lots of dramatic lighting. It's great.

My only critique is the narration. I just don't think it's necessary. The narrator says "And without saying a word, everything was understood." towards the end of the film, and it seems like that line says a lot about how this film could've played out.

Either way, neat film, congrats on all the festivals, I hope it continues to succeed. And yeah twelve minute at this quality is truly impressive.

[-SD-]

YouTube... it's sad to see the YouTube disease spreading to this forum where image quality is important. Sorry, but I didn't bother to watch it.

[MooseDog]

YouTube... it's sad to see the YouTube disease spreading to this forum where image quality is important. Sorry, but I didn't bother to watch it.

your loss. g.a.l.

excellent storytelling, top-shelf animation. grab this and watch it wherever you can!

[BurningFencePost]

That's great work, emotionally resonant, beautifully composed, nicely animated.

I found the V.O. a bit on the heavy side at first, but I'd got over it a few minutes in.

Recommended!

[ParamountCell]

That was touching and poetic, thank you for sharing that with us. Im now late for work, since i stayed behind to watch your movie, but it was worth it!

-SD- does the medium always define the content to you?

[mattmos]

With a 12 minute short it would cost a bomb to host it yourself at 50 meg a download for a high quality version. If this is the only way an animator can get work seen without incurring huge personal cost, then I'm all for it - what other avenues are there?

I appreciate the huge amount of work involved, but have to say the v.o. did ruin it a little for me, I felt it was too heavy-handed, didn't leave any room for interpretation by the viewer...

[halloween]

Cheers, It looks nice. I'd like to watch it as HQ .mov too. -SD- is right, quality is important for most of us. I can help you for hosting.

[sachin3d]

great stuff man simply great.animation, storytelling, lighting everything is great. keep up the good work man.

[posmaker]

Thank you very much to everybody for your support. I believe the best reward a filmmaker can obtain is people watching at his films, and liking them!
The voice over was always a big deal. The original idea was to have a more poetic narration, and letting the story to be told with the images. I was a little bit afraid about the story being missunderstood so I put some more "weight" o the voice. It is funny because some people told me that the story was a little bit confusing (towards the end) even with the voice over!! and some of you are saying that I could have avoided it or part of it....so where is the middle point :(
Anyway, I really appreciate all the comments because all of them are very useful in my storytelling learning process, and I´m sure they will be even more useful in the future :)

Regarding the youtube issue, as mattmos said, I can not afford a hosting like that myself. Unfortunatelly I have limited bandwidth and the only way I could share the film was through youtube, my apologies. Anyway if anybody is really interested in watching it with more quality don´t hesitate to e mail me and I´ll provide him a link for the file.

Thanks a lot again ;)

Edu

[Njen]

YouTube... it's sad to see the YouTube disease spreading to this forum where image quality is important. Sorry, but I didn't bother to watch it.


Agreed. Not only that, but youtube is blocked from my workplace, and other workplaces that I know of.

[BurningFencePost]

Three things:

Firstly, I would llike to reiterate I thought this film was fantastic, a real work of art.

Secondly, my comment about the voice over: what I meant to say was that the delivery was a bit heavy, or seemed so in the early stages (but like I said I got used to it). I thought having a voice over really helped the film.

Thirdly, I would just like to throw my tuppence in and say I think YouTube has done great things for the short animation field. Not only are animators able to upload their films for free, but they are delivering to a platform where, if its good and it catches on, it could be seen by an audience of millions (see KIWI!). Not long ago the best you could hope for was a few film festivals and maybe television broadcast in the small hours in an animation season of programming.
It also gives people with myself (with children, job and not getting out much) the chance to see fantastic films like this and, classic stuff I have always wanted to see but never been able to get hold of (Starewicz, Grimault etc).

Picture quality phewey! Back in the 70's all television looked like that anyway.

If your message isn't carrying in that resolution then you need to think again.

[mattmos]

It is funny because some people told me that the story was a little bit confusing (towards the end) even with the voice over!! and some of you are saying that I could have avoided it or part of it....so where is the middle point :(
Anyway, I really appreciate all the comments because all of them are very useful in my storytelling learning process, and I´m sure they will be even more useful in the future :)


The middle point I think is something that you as the film-maker are happy with. I'm the type of person that much preferred the director's cut of bladerunner without the v.o. but plenty of my friends have said they're totally confused by the film without it. so do take my comments with a grain of salt! All the best with future films.

[heney]

^^^
I'm in the same boat. Blade Runner is a perfect example. Voice over generally takes away from films in my opinion, especially in such a visual medium as animation where you have complete control over every aspect of your frame. One of the first rules of filmmaking is "show don't tell" and I believe your film was strong enough visually to carry the story without voice over. Sure there may be a few scenes that would've need clearer direction, but the beauty of it would've been in the interpretation. If you leave that up to the audience then it gives them something to discuss after the viewing as well as a sense of accomplishment when they figure it out, and therefore leaves a more lasting impression.

[Jorge Arango]

Wonderful movie Eduardo.

Felicitaciones!



Jorge Arango

[Sky]

That was really well done. I know how much work a short film can be, and you pulled it of wonderfully. Great job, and amazing work.

[posmaker]

Since the very begining I though the film needed the voice over. The short film was thought as a "book tale" and I always imagined a grandpa reading the book to his grandchildren while they were picturing out the images shown in the film in their heads. Actually it is really difficult to me to imagine those 12 minutes only with images and music, sorry :(.
The point was how much had to be told with the voice over. I´m from the opinion that filmakers have to think in the audience as well as to tell their own stories and both things should be balanced. Finally I took the decision of explaining a little bit more of necesary with the voice over to be sure that everybody could understand the whole story and I´m very happy with the result. Anyway, it is really interesting to see the different point of views and, as I said before it is really helpful for future projects.
Thank you very much indeed for your support, guys ;)

Edu

[Womball]

Overall it was really good. Storywise there were a lot of moments that seemed too convient. At first Andy dies? But gets brought back to life. The ending was a bit confusing too. Also the changes in character were a bit too sudden at points. But to your credit, the 12 minutes did not seem long. The animation was fantastic and the music was great too. Well done lighting as well. Has this made the festival tour yet?

[heney]

Since the very begining I though the film needed the voice over. The short film was thought as a "book tale" and I always imagined a grandpa reading the book to his grandchildren while they were picturing out the images shown in the film in their heads. Actually it is really difficult to me to imagine those 12 minutes only with images and music, sorry :(.
The point was how much had to be told with the voice over. I´m from the opinion that filmakers have to think in the audience as well as to tell their own stories and both things should be balanced. Finally I took the decision of explaining a little bit more of necesary with the voice over to be sure that everybody could understand the whole story and I´m very happy with the result. Anyway, it is really interesting to see the different point of views and, as I said before it is really helpful for future projects.
Thank you very much indeed for your support, guys ;)

Edu

I hope my post didn't sound negative, it wasn't meant to at all. I very much liked your film, and it definitly has the grandpa reading it to his grandkids feel. Congrats on the front page too, by the way.

[posmaker]

Hey Heney, it didn´t sound negative at all. I think all your suggestions are to make the film better and that is the way I understood everybody´s critizims ;)
Thanks for your kind words :D

Edu

[paulrus]

I agree with several of the posts here. The visuals and animation are strong enough to carry the story. I find the narration to be really distracting. You could cut a majority of it (or better yet all of it) and this would be a stellar piece of work.

It reminds me of this thread (http://www.truthandbeautybombs.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4997) where they took out all of Garfield's dialogue and the comic suddenly became much funnier.

You should at least give it a try. Post a modified version and see what people think. I understand your vision of the grandfather reading a story, but it doesn't come across that way. It comes across as talking down to your audience - as if we are totally unable to follow the story unless we're told everything.

Again, it's really a great work. The narration does nothing but detract from the animation and music.

Paul

[heney]

Wow that garfield thread is great. That really makes those panels seem all the funnier. This crazy guy just ranting to his cat. I love it.

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