Church Girl-help appreciated!

[xChrisGx]

hello, i think the thing that catches my eye the most about this is that the lighting seems incorrect. i can't tell if the light is coming from the back wall, or from our front left bottom corner. in either case i think the girl/pew's shadow needs to go opposite to wherever the light is originating from. the girl looks pretty nice though. good luck on your projects!

-chris

[Ceremei]

hello, i think the thing that catches my eye the most about this is that the lighting seems incorrect. i can't tell if the light is coming from the back wall, or from our front left bottom corner. in either case i think the girl/pew's shadow needs to go opposite to wherever the light is originating from. the girl looks pretty nice though. good luck on your projects!

-chris

Ah yeah, I'm going to work with the coloring (including the lightning) better after everything else is OK. Thanks for the tip, though!

[Ceremei]

I tried chancing the perspective a bit..The pew really bothered me XD
I still think that the image overall is not strong enough yet..Ah well, I need to keep working :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/Kajo/rough03.jpg

[Zhaan]

Hello Kajo ! Nice to see you there ! :)

Well the girl pose is good, the bench perspective is still wrong in one point I think. It's just the end of the bench that need to be fixed, it should be more up... mmm I'm not sure if I explain very well... Do you accept overpainting ?

Also the shadows are messed up, as already told you Chris. ;)

Good luck with this pic !:)

[Ceremei]

Hello Kajo ! Nice to see you there ! :)

Well the girl pose is good, the bench perspective is still wrong in one point I think. It's just the end of the bench that need to be fixed, it should be more up... mmm I'm not sure if I explain very well... Do you accept overpainting ?

Also the shadows are messed up, as already told you Chris. ;)

Good luck with this pic !:)

I would love overpaintings! :)

[Zhaan]

Okay so I opened my photoshop and tried with my little mouse :arteest:

I'm not a pro in lighting and shadows, neither perpsective..so it can still be wrong :blush:
But I hope it'll help you Kajo ! :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/zhaan/rough04.jpg

[Brownboot]

I think maybe we're seeing too much of the side of the girl's legs versus the top of the pew, and thats whats making the perspective look wrong.

You should add a layer and use the line tool to draw in a horizon line, vanishing point, and then extrude the pew angles from that.

[takoroll]

i like the girl, and the initial shadow. i reccommend getting reference.

[Ceremei]

Ah, but it's such a nuisance xD I never find that kind of references that I need.

Thank you Zhaan, it's definitely looking better than my try! :D

[Zhaan]

Thanks ^^;
Now I'm looking forward to see the next ! ^^:thumbsup:

[Ceremei]

Ok, I tried that perspective thing once again, and I hope it's OK now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/Kajo/rough05.jpg

Maybe now I can finally continue now XD

[Zhaan]

Yup the bench direction is better now, lol, it fits more with the girl pose, and shadows are neat like this. now continue it ! ^__^

[Ceremei]

Yup the bench direction is better now, lol, it fits more with the girl pose, and shadows are neat like this. now continue it ! ^__^

I should've done it like this in the frist place xD

[tigerzi]

I think lighting is the biggest issue here.
The main problem is that if the massive stained glass window is the only light source, and she is in front of it, she would be simply a silhouette - it seems pretty bright. Also, her shadow would be coming directly towards the viewer since she is in the middle off the window.

But, it seems like you have another light source which is a good idea, though you have to keep the shadows consistent. They're cast really dark on her face, yet areas like her legs and shirt don't have such dark shadows, making them look slightly out of place.

Your colours are great though (loving that blue wall), and the perspective amendment really strenghtens the piece. It's gonna look amazing! Intense stuff! :)

[Ceremei]

I think lighting is the biggest issue here.
The main problem is that if the massive stained glass window is the only light source, and she is in front of it, she would be simply a silhouette - it seems pretty bright. Also, her shadow would be coming directly towards the viewer since she is in the middle off the window.

But, it seems like you have another light source which is a good idea, though you have to keep the shadows consistent. They're cast really dark on her face, yet areas like her legs and shirt don't have such dark shadows, making them look slightly out of place.

Your colours are great though (loving that blue wall), and the perspective amendment really strenghtens the piece. It's gonna look amazing! Intense stuff! :)

I'll start fixing the shadows now :) I just wanted everything else to look OK so I didn't concentrate on them much.

I'll post more after a few working hours :) Thank you for the comments!

[Ceremei]

Ok, here it goes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/Kajo/rough06.jpg



Still lots to do..I have to color the stained glass window and work with the shadows some more. The girl is not finished yet either. I'm not sure either if I leave the white space there, but I just had to resize the canvas a bit. It looked rather interesting like that so I let it be :)

Just one question: how dark is it in your screen? I'm always worrying if my works look too dark or light in some screens xp

[takoroll]

woot. bench looks much better, but now you have a light source that's casting long shadows! her shadows on the bench and ground should match the leng of the shadows from the window, not like length-length wise, but should be a bit longer. though you fixxed the bench she looks a bit like she's falling off. not planted if you will. keep it up though, you're getting there!!!

[Ceremei]

woot. bench looks much better, but now you have a light source that's casting long shadows! her shadows on the bench and ground should match the leng of the shadows from the window, not like length-length wise, but should be a bit longer. though you fixxed the bench she looks a bit like she's falling off. not planted if you will. keep it up though, you're getting there!!!

Alright, I'll try my best to fix those. My knowledge about everything is still very limited so we'll see what I can do xD

[Zhaan]

Yeah well now the shadow of the bench looks weird...but that critic had been already said ;)

Hummmm I think you should delete the white thing at left, or recolor it in another color.. it distracts too much the eyes lol. But if you have an idea behind this... just don't follow my advice. lol

Oh and I just had an idea which popped in my head, why not include candles lighting..? So you have two source lights... but it'd be more subtile than the bright lighting coming from the window glass so the shadow should still be coming towards us of course.

how did you do the glass btw ? on illustrator ??

And about the question you asked, it isn't at all dark on my screen ;)

[Ceremei]

Continued a bit..Not sure if the shadows are still OK.
I thought that maybe I could make the picture more powerful if I make the girl a bit darker..not sure if it works XD
And about the white thing..I'm not sure about it even by myself. I just think that there's too much empty space if it's just some wall there..and this way, the picture really comes near the viewer. Maybe I should just make the white a bit grayer so it's easier for the eyes? I don't know, I don't have any ideas for it at the moment.

The candles actually sound quite nice, we'll see if I'll use the second light source afterall. I have to test around a bit xD

I did the window just by using photoshop-pen tool and lots of copy paste, haha XD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/Kajo/rough07.jpg

[akocan]

Hey there Ceremei.

It's going nicely, I really like the progress and the details in the enviroment and the light changed the whole feeling of the drawing, in a positive way.

But I think there's a problem with the feet and legs of the girl. For her to cross her legs over, the left leg is not elevated enough so it looks weird.

Keep the images coming.

[Ceremei]

Hey there Ceremei.

It's going nicely, I really like the progress and the details in the enviroment and the light changed the whole feeling of the drawing, in a positive way.

But I think there's a problem with the feet and legs of the girl. For her to cross her legs over, the left leg is not elevated enough so it looks weird.

Keep the images coming.

Thank you for pointing that out, I'll fix her legs next. :)

[Ceremei]

Ergh, I hope I can get this finished soon XD

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/Kajo/rough09.jpg

I turned off the window color layer, so I can test if I'm really going to keep the blue hue or should I change it a bit..


*EDIT* some minor changes..

[eirenicon]

The shadows cast by her legs are wrong. The one from her left foot starts further back than the one from her right, and yet it's up in the air! It should begin almost out of scene near the bottom. Right now it's positioned as if the foot was placed on the floor.

Also, there should be a wooden support under the pew near the end, or if not, one near the camera.

[Ceremei]

The shadows cast by her legs are wrong. The one from her left foot starts further back than the one from her right, and yet it's up in the air! It should begin almost out of scene near the bottom. Right now it's positioned as if the foot was placed on the floor.

Also, there should be a wooden support under the pew near the end, or if not, one near the camera.

I'll fix the shadow, but I have to disagree about the wooden support..If I got it right what you actually meant, that is.

[Noctourne]

Great work so far! The lighting is very dynamic, and I can tell it's shaping up to what's going to be an *excellent* finished piece! I love the varying shades of yellows and blues, and I think it's working great together.

The only critique I'm noticing right now is that... This might be hard to explain so bear with me. ;) The shadow of the vertical bar of your stained glass window that's falling across the floor is at a different angle than that of her right foot. Now I may be totally wrong in that, it's just an observation I made that you may want to look into. It could be totally right, I just wanted to point it out in case! :D

[Ceremei]

Great work so far! The lighting is very dynamic, and I can tell it's shaping up to what's going to be an *excellent* finished piece! I love the varying shades of yellows and blues, and I think it's working great together.

The only critique I'm noticing right now is that... This might be hard to explain so bear with me. ;) The shadow of the vertical bar of your stained glass window that's falling across the floor is at a different angle than that of her right foot. Now I may be totally wrong in that, it's just an observation I made that you may want to look into. It could be totally right, I just wanted to point it out in case! :D

Haha I have no idea XD The shadow is a bit diagonal, so I figured that the shadow cast by her legs should be like that too..My thinking might be wrong, though. :D Maybe somekind of expert with shadows could answer that better..

[Ceremei]

Righty, I consider this finished unless somebody finds something to fix.

The background is kind of my take of trying to make the picture more interesting. Not sure if it works, but it's something different anyways.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/Kajo/churchgirl_final.jpg

[Grundan]

I like your idea and the colors are working fine. My eyes are a little distracted by the big white plane on our left side. maybe u could crop that bit off?
overall nice work!

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