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beaker
02-10-2003, 06:57 PM
New Xserve and Xserve RAID:

http://www.apple.com/xserve/raid/

2.5 terabytes of fiber storage in a 3U space for $11,000, Sweet!

http://www.apple.com/xserve/

beaker
02-10-2003, 07:13 PM
Quck comparison: I went to dell's page and tried to config a similar setup. They don't have any pricing on their page for fiber storage because it says you need to contact a dell sales rep. The closest thing was a SCSI raid(ultra 160) they have on their site that has 14 slots costs over $15,000 with 2TB(they only have 140gb drives where the apple one can fit 180gb ones so it can't get the same 2.4TB that the apple one can).

http://www.dell.com/us/en/bsd/products/model_scsis_2_scsis_220s.htm

Akuma
02-10-2003, 08:14 PM
holy crap... 2.5 terabytes.. thats massive :love: Imagine what things you could do with all that space :eek:

Array
02-10-2003, 08:28 PM
haha, time for the obligatory slashdot humor:

"Wow, how about a Beowulf cluster of these"

"Wow, we can sure fit a lot of pr0n on these"

and of course:

"In Soviet Russia, Xserve served by you!!"

lapin
02-10-2003, 09:10 PM
Originally posted by Array
haha, time for the obligatory slashdot humor:

"Wow, how about a Beowulf server of these"

"Wow, we can sure fit a lot of pr0n on these"

and of course:

"In Soviet Russia, Xserve served by you!!"

LOL ! :eek:
Your Rocks ! Apple Rocks since a few days ! Waiting the 64 bits in september ... :bounce:

Amyd
02-10-2003, 10:17 PM
Beaker, try configuring the RAIDs at the competitors of Apple in the video storage field:

Medea (http://www.medea.com/)
Huge (http://www.hugesystems.com/)
Axus (http://www.axus.com.tw/)
Rorke (http://www.rorke.com/)

& so on.

Apple's price is not bad at all, given the fact that the unit is probably very well built and that it is a Fibre Channel solution. However, if you look hard you can find slightly better deals with theoretically better throughoutput, by using dual U320 channels.

Dell's unit uses SCSI drives, hence the big price difference.

Cheers,
Andrei

lapin
02-10-2003, 10:39 PM
Apple use Ata 133 (7200 rpm)
But price is ok, everybody don't need SCSI hard disk.
Nice shoot ! :D

beaker
02-10-2003, 11:47 PM
>>However, if you look hard you can find slightly better deals with theoretically better throughoutput, by using dual U320 channels.

I looked at all 4 of those links and all the systems are 2-3x the price. 1TB is around 10-12k+(most are scsi though, and only one of those you listed had 320, most were still ultra 160). Also one uses copper gige instead of fiber, which is a bottleneck. The only one I couldn't find prices on was Axus and they have the closest thing to the Xserve(ata133 drives with fiber outs).

The Xserve Raid gives similar numbers to a single 320 at 1/3-1/2 the cost (all 320 are 10k-15k rpm drivers and the xserve uses 7200 rpm, so you will definatly see a speed difference there, but at a significant price increase).

Would have to find a price on the Axus ones to get a proper comparison.

>>Dell's unit uses SCSI drives, hence the big price difference.

Yea, when I first saw the Xserve with fiber, I thought it meant fiber drives, not ata, so I thought the comparison was similar.

Amyd
02-10-2003, 11:57 PM
The 16-canister IDE-to-FC model from Axus is around $6000, to which you add let's say $5000 for 16 200 GB WD drives, for a total of 3.2 TB of storage. That is a pretty okayish deal, however neither the design nor the build quality is equal to the Apple unit. Nonetheless, it is rather interesting.

Huge doesn't have yet a FC solution, however their 1.8 TB unit is only $8000. Most people in the video editing world didn't scream for a FC solution so far, because the main advantage (the cable length) isn't that much of an issue in an editing suite (unlike a data center). I am sure they could come up with something though if the market is there.

Both Medea and Rorke will show new products at NAB, and hopefully Apple's announcement will make them reconsider their pricing strategies. Competition is always a good thing.

Apple's claimed transfer rate is mighty high though for a RAID-5 unit. I would like to see some real world tests about that, because it is rather fishy.

Cheers,
Andrei

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