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RobertoOrtiz
11-08-2006, 04:31 AM
DO YOU WANT TO JOIN A TEAM?
>>click<< (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=426624)

THE HARDCORE MODELING MINI-CHALLENGE!
Trafalgar Square



Trafalgar Square is a square in central London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) that commemorates the Battle of Trafalgar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar) (1805 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1805)), a British naval (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy) victory of the Napoleonic Wars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars). The original name was to have been "King William the Fourth's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_IV_of_the_United_Kingdom) Square", but George Ledwell Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ledwell_Taylor) suggested the name "Trafalgar Square". Its coordinates are 5130′28″N, 007′39″W (http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo/geohack.php?params=51_30_28_N_0_07_39_W_region:GB_type:landmark)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafalgar_Square (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafalgar_Square)

THE CHALLENGE:___________________________


Sculpt a digital reproduction of Trafalgar_Square in 3D (Either the full plaza or part of it)..
You will only have 4 weeks.


CAN YOU DO IT?

What is the HARDCORE MODELING CHALLENGE?


The idea of these HARDCORE MINI CHALLENGES is to push the modeling skills participants while learning from the past. To get past preconceptions of the limits of digital art. To push digital artists into the world of sculptors & artisans. But we will have variety on these mini challenges. Sometimes we will sculpt a model based on a masterpiece, but on other times we might do Jet fighter or a landmark....

The only thing that will be consistent is the SHORT DATELINES.

In this challenge you may do:

Admiral Nelson Column (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson's_Column)
Sir Edwin Landseer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Henry_Landseer) Lions
The complete Trafalgar Square (Not for the feight of heart)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson's_Column)
Since this is a MODELING CHALLENGE we will concentrate on creating a realistic 3D copy of this famous Plaza or its details.

At the end of the challenge, the participant should have done a finished entry that looks EXACTLY like either a part of the Trafalgar Square or a Full representation of the Plaza. Keep in mind contest of high difficulty you will have FOUR WEEKS to do the challenge, but the rewards, even if you don't win, will be your improved skills in ADVANCED anatomy/ Animal modeling/ Architecture.




TYPE OF ENTRIES:________________________

NELSON'S COLUMN (Difficulty Level High)
You may do:
Horatio Nelson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Nelson%2C_1st_Viscount_Nelson)'s Sculpture, and/or the Nelson's Column. (Keep in mind that the base has DETAILED (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nelson%27s_Column_-_East_Face_Of_Plinth_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg) relief sculptures on all four sides)




Emphasis on detail.
Detailed RESEARCH, and attention to detail are key
PLAZA DETAIL (Difficulty Level Moderate)

You may do any of these items:
Sir Edwin Landseer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Henry_Landseer) Lions , Sir Edwin Landseer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Henry_Landseer) Lions , National Gallery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gallery,_London,_England), Canada House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_House) ,South Africa House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_House)

Detailed RESEARCH, and attention to detail are key
Emphasis on animal anatomy, sculpting depending on the entry
FULL PLAZA (Difficulty Level VERY HIGH)

Emphasis on detail, rendering & shading.
Detailed RESEARCH, and attention to detail are key
Emphasis on human & animal anatomy, sculpting
Emphasis on lighting, shading & rendering
More emphasis on detail.
Realism, attention to detail are the KEYS of this type of entry
Detailed RESEARCH, and attention to detail are key for ALL entries.

The best model will be selected by an open vote
for these categories:

Best Modeling
Best Detail Model
Best Shading
Best Rendering
Most Realistic Model
Best Overall Entry
Most Ambitious Model
The winner will get bragging rights and a small banner
designed by me.


DATELINE: Monday December 11th 12:00 PM


YOU HAVE FOUR WEEKS do the challenge.

CHALLENGE SPECIFIC RULES:

No work taken DIRECTLY from an existing tutorial. You may use an existing tutorial only for reference.
You may NOT use a pre exiting models. All models must be done from scratch.
GENERAL RULES:

The model must have been done AFTER the topic has been announced.
WIP are encouraged if they are posted in ANOTHER thread. Please provide a link to them on this thread.
WIP thread should be posted on the Modeling Forum forum and should follow
the following naming convention: HARDCORE MODELING!: Trafalgar Square<<TYPE OF ENTRY >> (Note: Group entries are not only allowed, but strongly encouraged)
WIP files ARE REQUIRED and should be rendered at 800 x 600.
BEAUTY RENDER:

Final RENDERS should be rendered at 1600 X 1200 OR 1200 x 1600 in JPG format.(post only as link) A smaller 800x 600 OR 600 x 800 image should be posted.

- This is your beauty render, it may be comprised of a collage of multiple renders of your model.
ORTHOGRAPHIC RENDERINGS:

Ortographic renderings ARE REQUIRED and should be rendered at 800 x 600 OR 600x800.
- This means you need to submit renders of the from the Front, Sides (2), Back, Top and bottom.

The renders might be done as a Quickshade or Beauty Render.
TURNTABLE ANIMATION.
- I recomentd to aid the voters a turntable rendering of the model. It would have to be done in QuickTime or Windows Media at a resolution of 600 x 400 OR 300 x 200. The render might be done as a Quickshade or Beauty Render.
Please add a brief text description about your piece.
The artist also has to post total length of time it took to do and program used.
Collaborative pieces are accepted and encouraged, but Teams entries must have a identifying name. Shot lists should be included with the entry.
Individuals participating in a team CAN have their own individual entries.

The topics will be picked at random from the list on

this >>thread (http://the%20david%20signup%20list:%20Post%20here%20those%20who%20are%20looking%20for%20partners/teams) << (The author will be given credit). So guys keep them coming.
Post on this thread your link to your WIP thread and your FINAL piece.
You can add multiple entries, as long as they have different WIP threads.
Only participants who follow the rules and submit a final entry will be eligible for the voting process.
Any piece caught breaking the rules will be taken
off the thread.
REFERENCE:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Nelsons.column.closeup.london.arp.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Nelsons.column.closeup.london.arp.jpg) (Nelson Sculpture)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Nelson%27s_Column_-_East_Face_Of_Plinth_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Nelson's_Column_-_East_Face_Of_Plinth_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg) (column detail)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/74/Nelson%27s_Column_-_North_Face_Of_Plinth_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/75/Nelson's_Column_-_East_Face_Of_Plinth_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg) (column detail)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Lion_At_Nelson%27s_Column_-_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c9/Lion_At_Nelson's_Column_-_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg) (lions)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Nelson%27s_Column_Looking_Towards_Westminster_-_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Nelson's_Column_Looking_Towards_Westminster_-_Trafalgar_Square_-_London_-_240404.jpg)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Canada_House.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Trafsquareplans.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Alison_Lapper_Pregnant_-_Trafalgar_Square.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Alison_Lapper_Pregnant_-_Trafalgar_Square.jpg)

http://www.earthcam.com/uk/england/london/ (http://www.earthcam.com/uk/england/london/)

http://www.filmlondon.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_260.jpg (http://www.filmlondon.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_260.jpg) (Map)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/South_Africa_House.jpg
http://www.worldofstock.com/closeups/ASC1522.php
http://images.worldofstock.com/slides/ADT1494.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/South_Africa_House.jpg)


LINK1 (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.filmlondon.org.uk/uploads/documents/doc_260.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.filmlondon.org.uk/content.asp%3FCategoryID%3D812%26ArticleID%3D667&h=594&w=818&sz=93&hl=en&start=10&tbnid=4ICqMTz3zJm53M:&tbnh=105&tbnw=144&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplans%2BTrafalgar%2BSquare%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG)
Good Luck

Jaspar
11-08-2006, 04:10 PM
Reckon I might take part, assuming anyone else is?

My eyes tend to be bigger that my artistic ability, so I might try and take on the whole square. I might have to skip some of the detail though, due to limited time, skill and references. Will cut back my ambition seriously over the next four weeks!

Jaspar

RobertoOrtiz
11-08-2006, 07:06 PM
Welcome to the fold.
Ill plug this on Friday, and hopefully we will get more people.

-R

Whyst
11-08-2006, 07:38 PM
this sounds interesting i'm in =) like jaspar i want to be ambitious and take on the whole square, but with work and the Eon challenge I think i'll be realistic and stick to Nelson's Column >_<

Rod Seffen
11-09-2006, 09:05 AM
I wouldn't mind doing one of the mermaids, but there arent any decent all round photos of them to be found.
If anyone lives in London (and that's statistically very likely) maybe you could pop down photograph them.

RobertoOrtiz
11-10-2006, 05:26 AM
Ok here is some more referenceL


http://www-us.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=217070083&size=l
http://www-us.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=217065884&size=l (mermaids)
http://www.angelfire.com/in/uktravelinfo/images/Traffnt1.jpg

http://www.london.gov.uk/trafalgarsquare/around/statues.jsp
http://www.destination360.com/europe/uk/trafalgar-square.php

DoctorLister
11-10-2006, 05:32 AM
FYI, some of your links point to the wikipedia article on the Vitruvian Man.

RobertoOrtiz
11-10-2006, 06:54 AM
Okkkay, missed a link. Fixed.


-R

AnimZiggy
11-10-2006, 10:24 AM
i can take some photos if you like me to! propably the lower parts of the statue...

Jaspar
11-10-2006, 10:42 AM
i can take some photos if you like me to! propably the lower parts of the statue...

I'm sure everyone taking part would really appreciate that, if it's convenient!

Thanks for the offer!

AnimZiggy
11-10-2006, 12:27 PM
no worries... :+) my pleasure to do it...i'll try and do it tomorrow.

Rod Seffen
11-10-2006, 01:24 PM
Thanks, I'd appreciate if you'd take some good photos of this mermaid in the fountain. From front, back and each side if it's possible.

mtd2004
11-10-2006, 01:41 PM
Hi all! Great challenge this time!

I wont have enough time to dedicate to build this amazing group of models due to work, anyway Im going to do my best to complete as much as possible. Here I upload my first hour work (I can dedicate 1 hour/daily only more or less to this). Basically its a study of the different placement of each building and pieces of the square. Let me know if you think Im going ahead correctly. Thanks and good luck to everyone! ;)

Mario Taboada
http://mtd2004.cgsociety.org/gallery/

http://www.rebelkarmafx.com/varios/101106wip.jpg

Matt-Clark
11-10-2006, 04:54 PM
Dont forget the most recent and controversial sculpture in Trafalgar Square: http://www.bbc.co.uk/ouch/news/btn/lapper/

Rod Seffen
11-11-2006, 10:54 AM
That latest addition is rubbish. It looks like a bad CG model, the first effort of a newb. There would be no value no copying that. Having said that, the statue of Nelson isn't exactly exemplary either.
It's a pity the French didn't win that one, then they would have made their own square and at least got some decent sculptors to do it.

AnimZiggy
11-11-2006, 11:29 AM
ok guys i ll do my best i'm going today...

apekki
11-11-2006, 01:03 PM
Dunno if these will help anyone, took them last summer:

Mermaids (http://koti.phnet.fi/sakarini/mermaids/)

fellah
11-11-2006, 05:19 PM
oDDity,

you can always do the Nelson statue the way you would have like to seen it. that's a greater challenge than just copying it. even if it means you'll have to break the rules a bit, but who cares..

AnimZiggy
11-11-2006, 07:07 PM
let me know the ones u like or if u want all of them and i will upload them somewhere tmrw morning...-ish.... on a zip file or something...

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/308/traf01ke1.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4945/traf02rl0.jpg

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2306/traf03mr4.jpg

Jaspar
11-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Whoa, cool, lots of useful pics, Ismini, ta.

My request list would be...
2041, 2042, 2043, 2044, 2045, 2046, 2068, 2073, 2077, 2078.
Mermaids would also be cool, though I can't really tell which ones would be best.

Thanks,
Jaspar

mtd2004
11-11-2006, 10:43 PM
Hey mates,

Sorry for the question but is my first attempt for a hardcore modeling like this and dont know where I should post my work in progress renders, directly here or on another thread? I also opened a new thread separately but not sure if I m doing this correctly. Thanks,

Mario

morphius-ms
11-12-2006, 07:11 AM
hey mtd2004 you did it right... what you do is you start a new thread (which will be yours and yours alone) and just make a reply post*on the same thread not on a new one* each time (if you have done any other challenge I think that they work the same way)... and then we can comment on your progress and suggest stuff... (of course it would be constructive)...

Rod Seffen
11-12-2006, 10:42 AM
Thanks a lot ziggy, I obviously want all of the mermaid shots please. I suppose imageshack or somewhere similar would be fine for these.

mtd2004
11-12-2006, 01:50 PM
Big thanks for the info morphius ;)

AnimZiggy
11-12-2006, 03:35 PM
mermaid references is quite good... it's one male and one female one.

MrJames
11-12-2006, 07:54 PM
If you could zip up the mermaid ones it would be great, I've always wanted to have a go at modeling them at some point. :)

oliveUK
11-12-2006, 10:52 PM
well Ismini, I think that I am gonna participate too ;-) Could you send me the Mermaid female pictures?

I might actually go back to trafalgar square tomorrow to take more pics.

Olive

AndreKling
11-13-2006, 12:12 AM
Hi, i would like to join this one too, but im having some troubles trying to imagine the place, it would be really great if some ppl from londom could help me. If i understood right there is 4 lions under the monolith statue, are all of them in the same position? are all of them a copy of the same sculpture or not? can anyone post a picture of each of the relief in the base of the statue?
I would love to have a copy of all your pictures anim_ziggy, it would help alot.
Thnx and sorry my english
Andre

AnimZiggy
11-13-2006, 12:30 PM
ok i will upload everything tonight...UKtime... at work now.

jojo1975
11-13-2006, 12:49 PM
anim-Ziggy , can you also upload a zip for the National Gallery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Gallery,_London,_England), Canada House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_House) ,South Africa House ? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_House)
Since I guess I dont' have time to model the difficult part I guess I will stuck on moderate level ;)
Thanks a lot in advance

Jojo

AnimZiggy
11-13-2006, 08:36 PM
i hope this works... [/url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OV4FUTR2

let me know if it doesn't.... all the photos are there...[url="http://forums.cgsociety.org/"]
(http://forums.cgsociety.org/)

julnyapp
11-15-2006, 01:52 AM
ziggy, can you fix the link? Apparently the link takes you to cgtalk forum home page.
Thanks.

PereBalsach
11-15-2006, 08:47 AM
Megaupload Download (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OV4FUTR2)

Hope it helps :thumbsup:

AnimZiggy
11-15-2006, 09:11 AM
fixed...not sure how i did that...thanks PereBalsach

AndreKling
11-21-2006, 09:19 AM
Hello, can anybody please take a close shot of the relieves in the base of the main statue? are the 4 side different ones right? It will be great i anybody that lives nearby can help.
attenciously
Andre

RobertoOrtiz
12-04-2006, 03:19 AM
Hey guys,
do you want a time extension?
Maybe one more week?
-R

Jaspar
12-04-2006, 08:32 AM
Yes please!

AndreKling
12-04-2006, 12:23 PM
That would help, i also would like to know how we are suposed to show the final model? should we do a turning table of it? bunch of renders? any required shot?
Andre

oliveUK
12-04-2006, 01:10 PM
I was actually unusure when the deadline was. Till next monday? I would say yes ;-)

Olive

kumarC
12-04-2006, 01:31 PM
That would really really be good.

RobertoOrtiz
12-06-2006, 03:16 PM
You asked for it, you got it!
All of you have ONE MORE WEEK to finish the project:

You have until the Monday December 18th to finish the project.

Good luck!
Roberto's Bullhorn: Trafalgar Square VOTING THREAD will go live on the 18th (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=437862)
-R

RobertoOrtiz
12-12-2006, 05:05 AM
Hardcore Modeling: MINI-Challenge #6: Trafalgar Square VOTE (POST YOUR VOTING ENTRY) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=440040)


You have until Wednesday night to post your entry.
-R

RobertoOrtiz
12-12-2006, 05:05 AM
Good luck to all!

-R

jojo1975
12-12-2006, 08:05 AM
the 20th I hope !! not tomorrow :rolleyes:

Rod Seffen
12-12-2006, 12:40 PM
This is getting pretty desperate isn't it? There are only 6 people who started and most of them havent' updated their threads for a few weeks. It'll be surprising if even 2 or 3 three of them do a finished render.
Clearly, the topics being chosen are not really inspiring a lot of people to want to take part and finish.
I think the ideas previously brought up of having a vote for the modeling subject will mean that the final choice will be a lot more popular, and therefore will produce a real competitive element to keep all the challengers going to the end..

RobertoOrtiz
12-12-2006, 04:25 PM
my bad...

-R

RobertoOrtiz
12-12-2006, 04:35 PM
I should have been more clear on my last message.
And for that I am sorry.
You have until Wednesday 20 night to post your entry.
(you may tweak until Friday 22th)

The voting will go live with the plug on Friday the 22th.

-R

AndreKling
12-12-2006, 09:48 PM
I cant say much about the other participants, but i will try my best to finish as much as possible by the deadline. This was a hella hard subject to model, and i have learned alot trying to do it, i just think it could hv had more reference images to help the work... the best pictures i found were from the lions and from the fountains ( i bet its cuz of the size of the monument :P ). Its been quite hardcore to model the entire statue and i had alot of fun doing it so far.
would be nice if something like the game challenge was applied here, where the most voted one picked the subject for the next comp. I believe this could bring some ppl more to participate on this challenges.
just my 2 cents
Andre

RobertoOrtiz
12-19-2006, 07:01 AM
Time to start posting...Hardcore Modeling: MINI-Challenge #6: Trafalgar Square VOTE (POST YOUR VOTING ENTRY) (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=440040)

RobertoOrtiz
12-31-2006, 02:50 PM
I just wanted to say for the record that I will post the result thread soon.
I am sorry for the delay, but I currently on vacation back home.

Thanks all for the great work and your patience.

-R

jojo1975
12-31-2006, 06:01 PM
Ok Roberto, happy holidays and CU soon on forums

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