Macbook Pros go core2duo

[enygma]

and spoke of improvements to open GL in the company's forthcoming operating system update "leopard," which suggests as much as 100% opengl performance improvements
Muahaha!!! I've been heard!!!

You hear that Autodesk? Get me my Universal Binaries for Maya now!! :D

[HamsaPaksham]

I'm using a Mac right now. Its perfomance is just impressive compared o a pc running Windows. It s like an BMW compared to a popular car.
I'll never come back to Windows again.

[Nicodemus]

Happy happy, Joy joy.

Glad to see they came out this early. I am planning on getting one for Xmas and was worried that they might come up closer to Xmas and make it impossible to get one.

Whats up with the 7200 rpm hard drive being available on only the 17 inch one?

Leslie

[SkinnyBoy]

Anyone here know how well the mac can run Maya with windows? Is it as reliable as using a Pc? I would love to own one of these, big mac fan here! no pun intended!

[EnlightenedPixel]

I'm using a Mac right now. Its perfomance is just impressive compared o a pc running Windows. It s like an BMW compared to a popular car.
I'll never come back to Windows again.

Oh dont be so dramatic. You'll be Dual-booting like everyone else at some point.

[almux]

Oh dont be so dramatic. You'll be Dual-booting like everyone else at some point.
Humm! The more it goes, the less it'll be needed... The thing is: more and more apps are UB or getting UB. For those inhabited since years into some workflows "Bootcamping" will be it... for new commers... there's enough good stuff in UB to have a nice and sweet turnaround.

[Yacomo]

* waves to Almux *

Tempting, very tempting... Didn't even know 200mb notebook drives existed :)

But I'll resist and stay with my Powerbook until they have Leopard ready. By that time Lightwave and my other apps should be UB as well. Only app I'm a bit worried about right now is Painter - not much information coming out of Corel at the moment :sad:

Well, it should run well under Rosetta anyway, no need for this guy to go bootcamping :)

[HamsaPaksham]

I'm not being dramatic Im being realistic.
Windows is so much slower and its ergonomics and design are crap compared to OSX.
Microsoft always copy Apple features. That is a shortcut they learned very well: Control+C
+ Control V.
That is the only thing that works in Windows.
Windows dont handle memmory well, and Maya constantly crashes while rendering big scenes.
That is not the case in Mac, I can use many applications at the same time and still render in Maya!

[parallax]

I'm not being dramatic Im being realistic.
Windows is so much slower and its ergonomics and design are crap compared to OSX.
Microsoft always copy Apple features. That is a shortcut they learned very well: Control+C
+ Control V.
That is the only thing that works in Windows.
Windows dont handle memmory well, and Maya constantly crashes while rendering big scenes.
That is not the case in Mac, I can use many applications at the same time and still render in Maya!

Your insight in computing is a breeze of fresh air.

[L.Rawlins]

Happy happy, Joy joy.

Glad to see they came out this early. I am planning on getting one for Xmas and was worried that they might come up closer to Xmas and make it impossible to get one.

Whats up with the 7200 rpm hard drive being available on only the 17 inch one?

Leslie

If the stories are true, and Intel really are going Quad Core come November time, you might have an even happier New Year if you can stand to wait until after Christmas before buying your shiny fruit box...

I doubt Apple want to see in the New Year with a new OS, two cores short of PC hardware and by association, the main rivals new OS.

If anything, they'll want to market Leopard Macs as the 'worlds first' four core consumer platform, and start 2007 as they undoubtedly mean to continue through next year. (Grabbing headlines from Vista.)

This is just my own speculation, but it's food for thought. Whenever you decide to buy I'm sure it'll be a whizzy step up. :)

[Lordstormdragon]

It's an age-old argument with only one real outcome : endless idiocy.

With both Macs and Windows running on the same processors (Intel CoreDuo, easily the least creative CPU name to date...) now, it all comes down to OS preference (1% of the argument) and PRICE (the other 99%).

So why pay the ridiculous markup, just so you can use Mac OS? In a CG pipeline, investors would scoff at the inefficiency and waste involved. A 300% markup, for no particular reason? For a SLOWER CPU?!?

Sheer madness.

To continue the auto analogy, if you consider a Mac a BMW, then you must consider "a popular car" something like a Viper or a Skyline?

[HamsaPaksham]

This is my opinion as user.

You dont need to be so unpolite, disrespectfull and chill and sarcastic. I suggest you stop quoting other s words. Im not guilty for your bad day and life. and your lack of love.

Having using both, I choose Mac because its better and fast for me.

[EnlightenedPixel]

Windows is so much slower and its ergonomics and design are crap compared to OSX.
#1 - False - Even a Bootcamped Mac with Windows runs Windows programs better and faster than it does their OSX counterparts.
#2 - Opinion. - you arent used to Windows interface.
Microsoft always copy Apple features. That is a shortcut they learned very well: Control+C
+ Control V.
GASP! I am shocked! And, Apple and Microsoft both copy eachother and also take advantage of linux as well.
That is the only thing that works in Windows. ... Copy and paste work fine for me.
Windows dont handle memmory well, and Maya constantly crashes while rendering big scenes. Maya crashing durring a render probably isnt MS's fault, In fact, if its rendering, it should be creating a nice big page file for any data that excedes the available ram and swapping from that. So it would be Maya's problem, not Windows. Its also usualy a programmers fault that any program has a memory leak, and Windows is much better now at cleaning up leaks when a program crashes. An educated user of both Mac and Windows would also point out that in sertain instances durring a crash, you may still be able to save something thanks to the warning it gives you, whereas on a Mac, it just dissapears.

That is not the case in Mac, I can use many applications at the same time and still render in Maya!
Well good for you then, but I fail to see how it would be Windows fault without any supporting evidence.

My point is that Windows is the dominate beast on the market, and assuming everything can and will continue to be done without needing it is naive. Case in point, just from an entertainment stance on it since entertainment sells more PC's in homes rather than nessessity for a job, how many popular games are made for mac?

[Kai01W]

I'm not being dramatic Im being realistic.
Windows is so much slower and its ergonomics and design are crap compared to OSX.
Microsoft always copy Apple features. That is a shortcut they learned very well: Control+C
+ Control V.
That is the only thing that works in Windows.
Windows dont handle memmory well, and Maya constantly crashes while rendering big scenes.
That is not the case in Mac, I can use many applications at the same time and still render in Maya!

I beg your pardon...?!

-k

ps.: Thinkpads (http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1&categoryId=2035724)
core 2 duo since quite a few weeks if I remember correctly (SCNR :))

[parallax]

This is my opinion as user.

You dont need to be so unpolite, disrespectfull and chill and sarcastic. I suggest you stop quoting other s words. Im not guilty for your bad day and life. and your lack of love.

Having using both, I choose Mac because its better and fast for me.

Are you my headdoctor?

[almux]

I'm an hold Macfan. But I never thought that one day I could say: - Buy a Mac, it's cheaper and better than any other PC brand... and, if you rrrrrrealy need to, you still can run windows on it!

[almux]

#1 - False - Even a Bootcamped Mac with Windows runs Windows programs better and faster than it does their OSX counterparts.
Yes faster than on a PC of any other brand... not faster than OSX...


My point is that Windows is the dominate beast on the market, and assuming everything can and will continue to be done without needing it is naive. Case in point, just from an entertainment stance on it since entertainment sells more PC's in homes rather than nessessity for a job, how many popular games are made for mac?
Windows dominates through habit and commercial doping... Don't say I've never used windows (I agree, i did last year at school, one class was PCs only) but during the 14 last years I work on computers, the need for Windows never appeared.
One month ago, I emitted the idea of double booting for Maya... But finally, if Autodesk doesn't make an effort for a UB version and a better Mac support, I'll turn to C4D or Lightwave instead.

[EnlightenedPixel]

Yes faster than on a PC of any other brand... not faster than OSX...
Windows was running faster and better than OSX on a dualboot mac. And the programs within were running faster than their OSX counterparts. It was compared to other computers as well, but many if not all of them were either outdated or Dells, which are guarenteed to lose in a comparason against a new processor.

[Lordstormdragon]

http://www.jmusheneaux.com/

This site contains actual information, instead of just the same old recycled "epinions" of uneducated or malliterate, biased users.

I of course am biased, but towards AMD chips, which literally smoke Intel chips on almost every application. Still. A Mac with an Opteron in it? I don't think so!

"Yes faster than on a PC of any other brand... not faster than OSX..."

That's preposterous. You have been successfully duped. I've never seen a benchmark that was Mac-related prove anything concrete about a Mac. They always use old PC's, with less RAM and lower clock speeds. For a benchmark test to be even remotely scientific, the specs must be equivalent. Do a search next time, for your information, instead of just making it up as you go.

A 2.33Ghz Core Duo processor that's somehow faster than Intel's 2.8's? What, did arithmetic simply STOP working? Is 1+1 no longer 2?

Apple should market against the Commodore 64. Then at least SOME of their claims might be true!

[maX_Andrews]

Instead of throwing unfounded and frankly crap comments all over the place in a news thread, let's actually look at the facts!

Why are people comparing the 2.33ghz core2duo in the macbook pro to desktop processors? It's a freakin' laptop we're talking about here. The 2.33ghz core2duo is currently the fastest intel processor you can get in a notebook. And the mac pro, apple's desktop workstation, is the cheapest dual woodcrest xeon system you can buy OR build, and it'll smoke dual opteron 280's. So let's cease the "macs use inferior processors" talk right now.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2014446,00.asp

As for cost, the macbook pro is not overpriced. In fact, it's actually a lot less than similar configurations from other leading companies.
Let's compare a few to the macbook pro 15.4" entry level. All models had specs matched as closely as possible:
Macbook pro 15.4": $1999
Dell M65: $2440
Lenovo Z61P: $2170
HP nc8430: $2370
Acer 8200 series: approx. $2000-$2800

As for whether winXP or OSX is faster, how about comparing them both on the same exact machine?:
http://www.barefeats.com/bootcamp.html
OSX is a bit faster for everything except games.

And as for why people would "pay more" for using OSX, well, then you've never used OSX.
Probably has something to do with the well documented phenomenon of paying a little more for something that sucks less. But as I've shown, you're not even paying more...

So in conclusion, rant and rave all you want but no one will listen to you unless you put in the time to research and support your views. And you'll find that sometimes you are right, sometimes you are not. No biggie.

[Kai01W]

http://www.jmusheneaux.com/

Gosh, what the hell was that????
I wonder what kind of drugs where used during the creation of this website. My eyes still hurt and I`m feeling dizzy...

-k

[Kai01W]

Instead of throwing unfounded and frankly crap comments all over the place in a news thread, let's actually look at the facts!

As for cost, the macbook pro is not overpriced. In fact, it's actually a lot less than similar configurations from other leading companies.

Apple might be cheaper at the upper end but not so much at the lower end. Plus you can get better quality (*cough* thinkpads *cough*)


As for whether winXP or OSX is faster, how about comparing them both on the same exact machine?:
http://www.barefeats.com/bootcamp.html
OSX is a bit faster for everything except games.

What about sticking to your own facts? First of all barefeats definately is a biased webpage. So I'd be a bit doubtful about their testsuite. iTunes?? Taking an apple app, where everybody knows that already quicktime is a terrible port? Give me a break!
Plus where do you see "everything"? Cinema 4D won by os x, photoshop won by xp that's about the only non-game test there.



And as for why people would "pay more" for using OSX, well, then you've never used OSX.
Probably has something to do with the well documented phenomenon of paying a little more for something that sucks less. But as I've shown, you're not even paying more...

Well I use/used it alot and I still would not pay more for it. Sucks less? Yes in some aspects for sure. But for instance the finder is a joke of a file-manager and the dock sucks bigtime.

anyway. I just find it surprising the macbook pro update is news here. Then all the core2 duo notebooks arriving ealier could have been news too.


-k

[EnlightenedPixel]

anyway. I just find it surprising the macbook pro update is news here. Then all the core2 duo notebooks arriving ealier could have been news too.
-k

Thats possibly the most annoying thing about mac threads, is its usualy old news compared to PC, but, for some reason, it gets put up as a daily feature on the site. That makes no sense.

[Lordstormdragon]

I must apologize for being offensive, to those who didn't laugh outright... I'll work on "being funny".

And I really hope that the Xeon did in fact catch up, I haven't had a chance to play with the Woodpecker yet. My last experience is echoed here, regarding Opterons smoking Xeons...

http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=2745&p=4

Great article, too. I hope the same crew does a bench test on the new ones, soon.

In the meantime, to put thing in perspective consider the Macbook Pro's very name. What's "pro" about it? Compare it to a REAL professional notebook, and this antiquated Macbook "Pro" doesn't stand a chance.

http://boxxtech.com/Products/GOBOXX/1400_Overview.asp

As for the TOPIC, which I suppose was "Macbooks Rule" or something, my age-old rant must continue, for the sake of the children. My favorite one-liiner : "Macs don't crash, because you have to be MOVING to crash."

But hey, I love the shiny plastic new look, but I'll stick with my original Apple :

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7254/vtechlearningapple55232yh3.jpg

This one really NEVER CRASHES! But the batteries run out over time, and the speech effects get all slow and crazy-evil sounding. Still, it does everything I could ever ask an Apple to do! And the price was right. Apple should have stuck with their old pricing, if you ask me...

[cold_fusion]

i would like test one these new macBook Pro! but there arent universal binaries with software that im using. sad

[maX_Andrews]

In the meantime, to put thing in perspective consider the Macbook Pro's very name. What's "pro" about it? Compare it to a REAL professional notebook, and this antiquated Macbook "Pro" doesn't stand a chance.

http://boxxtech.com/Products/GOBOXX/1400_Overview.asp
Yeah, it's just too bad the boxx only supports 2GB of RAM, and comes with slower, more power-hungry processors. It does all that, and only weighs 11.3 pounds and costs twice as much!Oh but hey, it has a quadro. And you MUST have a quadro to run anything anyways...

But are you serious? How are you comparing the amd x2, a two year old processor, to one that just came out? And how does an 11.3 pound machine with slower processors make it more "pro?" Is it because to be "pro" it's supposed to be impossible to take with you?

And notice, that the macbook pro announcement has made it into the forum header. Looks like someone cares.

[almux]

As Macfan I assume to be one of the overenthusiastic computer user who bores some PC users...
OK... hard not to fall in the old "counter-verso-opposite-face-to-face" thing Mac/PC because even if technically walls have fallen, there's still the "sentimental positionning".

A simple thing could be to give a stop to the thread, and each one would go back to his own belief...

On another side, no one can ignore that the remergence of the Macintosh (into fields where many would have doomed it not so long ago) is an intriguing phenomenon.
It still worth to be discussed particularly when it comes to consider that Macs are now faster, cheaper and more crossplatformed than MOST of any other constructed computers on this planet.

[Tarrbot]

There's an awful lot of troll feeding around here. What's funny is that I see idiocy on both sides.

I guess the "Never argue with idiots because everyone watching can't tell the difference between you and the idiot" idiom never entered everyone's consciousness, did it? :banghead:

[EnlightenedPixel]

There's an awful lot of troll feeding around here. What's funny is that I see idiocy on both sides.

I guess the "Never argue with idiots because everyone watching can't tell the difference between you and the idiot" idiom never entered everyone's consciousness, did it? :banghead:

Most people just think of "Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics" idiom. Or the John Gabriel Theory.

[HamsaPaksham]

Yes. Thats why I almost never post in forums anymore.
Everyone has to win. Like an 3 year old child.

I got tired of this nerdy, geeky talk. I have more things to do, have work to be done. An no time for as you say, idiocy talk.

And as I know myself and I really dont like people quoting me and doing jokes and using my words to start a war.

I always forgot the majority of people are uneducated and unpolite...

And they feel ofended if you say you like black instead of white , its the same thing over and over.

[Lordstormdragon]

I guess I just don't see the harm in sarcasm and scathing wit.

I learned some new things in this thread, and is that not the point of sharing? So thank you, Max Andrews, for enlightening me on the Macbook Pro's features and benefits. I still stand by my AMD setups, of course, but I think more highly of the Macbook after you gave me some more facts and comparisons.

What I find ridiculous is that a few of you pull the "I don't even care about what idiots online argue about" line and are blatantly hypocritical about it. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have even responded. If it didn't affect you, you wouldn't even bother. Your mask of apathy is a farce.

But again, Max, thank you for giving me new information about the new (non-Vtech) Apple. I must say I'm rather impressed with it from a technical perspective!

[parallax]

Yes. Thats why I almost never post in forums anymore.
Everyone has to win. Like an 3 year old child.

I got tired of this nerdy, geeky talk. I have more things to do, have work to be done. An no time for as you say, idiocy talk.

And as I know myself and I really dont like people quoting me and doing jokes and using my words to start a war.

I always forgot the majority of people are uneducated and unpolite...

And they feel ofended if you say you like black instead of white , its the same thing over and over.

I'm sorry, but it is YOU who keeps stepping over the line. The fact that you need to PM rather obnoxious remarks instead of admitting that you simply are wrong, makes you think that everybody has the urge to win the debate? There is a difference between having an opinion and blatantly stating falsehoods, wich you have been doing.
If a little sarcasm is going to get you all riled up, then it's time to re-read your own posts or do some research my friend.

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