Bodypaint r3 = $895 Cinema 4d r10 = $895

[Srek]

BodyPaint 3D R3 and CINEMA 4D R10 are technicaly identical. BP 3 includes C4D core functionality and C4D R10 includes the completey BP R3 functionality.
The main differences are the name, marketing, the boxes they come in and maybe some differences in accompanying goodies, but the later is not yet determined since BP R3 will ship a moment after C4D R10

Cheers
Björn

[zoetropeuk]

Just another brilliant marketing idea from Maxon. As if the bundle and pricing structure wasn't confusing enough for prospective customers. I don't know where Maxon gets their ideas from but if the goal is to confuse the hell out of people than the marketing department should all get a raise.

Long term users and members of this forum may understand what they need but when I recommend C4D to my customers I always get asked a long list of questions. In the end most choose another package which is a real shame as we know.

Maxon should take some ideas from Nemetschek and package a preset list of modules for specific industries. This makes it much easier for first time customers to work out what they need, similar to the current engineering bundle. You could have for example;

1. Motion Graphics edition
2. Character animation edition
3. ArchViz edition
4. Engineering Edition
5. VFX edition
6. Gaming edition
7. Ultimate edition

Maxon also needs to look after it's longterm customers better than it currently does. I don't have the bundle edition but if I did and then had to fork out for MoGraph I'd be slightly miffed to say the least.

Matt

[Srek]

I don't have the bundle edition but if I did and then had to fork out for MoGraph I'd be slightly miffed to say the least.
What bundle edition? There are different bundles with different contents.

Cheers
Björn

[zoetropeuk]

What bundle edition? There are different bundles with different contents.

Cheers
Björn

Sorry, I meant the Studio Bundle. If a customer supports Maxon to this level then they really should get any modules released that are compatible within their current version FOC. So, any Studio 9.0/9.5 owner should get any modules that are released between v9 and v10 for free. This would generate referrals via word of mouth as happy customers love telling friends and colleagues about good deals and free upgrades/updates. In the same breath people love to complain even more.

I just personally think a more relaxed attitude from Maxon would generate more sales than the current restrictive system would. The bean counters and marketing department at Maxon need to take a step back and really think about what they're doing.

And this duplicated BP3 = C4D is just another example of a poor thought out idea.

Matt

[LemonNado]

And this duplicated BP3 = C4D is just another example of a poor thought out idea.

Matt

Ones poor idea is the other mans great invention....

I love it. I had BP3 standalone, then bought C4D Studio... I tried to change to an integrated BP3 but Maxon refused. Thank god!

Now I paid the BP3 Upgrade and switched that to a Mac. Now I have C4D10 Base on my mac for less than 300$ for my Game development and a C4D10 on my PC.

I admit that this might be a rare case, but I am loving it.

Upgrade pricing and the product pricing are very competitive. Check it out... Consider free support in that equation. I am not a fanboy but I think that Maxon does more than a fair job navigating the crazy 3D product terrain.

Lemo

[AdamT]

I fail to see how incorporating BP into Core makes the lineup more complicated. Before you had two options--now you have one. Less complicated.

On the whole, though, I agree that the module/package system is confusing. A subscription option for Studio owners might help.

[the-negative]

BodyPaint 3D R3 and CINEMA 4D R10 are technicaly identical. BP 3 includes C4D core functionality and C4D R10 includes the completey BP R3 functionality.
The main differences are the name, marketing, the boxes they come in and maybe some differences in accompanying goodies, but the later is not yet determined since BP R3 will ship a moment after C4D R10

Cheers
Björn

Now which one has a nicer loading screen... :D

zoetropeuk, I would leave that to selling plugins/modules alone. Selling them in packages might just lose them some extra sales as some parts of C4D (no offense guys) still aren't to the quite high standards set by the core usability and interface *coughPyrocough* and having bundles in direct comparision/competition to other software isn't a great idea. Comfusing or not, I do think people put in some thought or research in a software before making a purchase, even when it looks insignificant.

[LucentDreams]

I can't see how anyone thinks its a flawed idea, you have to consider that when it comes to major studios, bodypaint has the bigger presence over cinema. Then theres all the individuals that own bodypaint standalone3, and all the core users without UV editing tools.

Now Core users have UV editing and texture painting tools in their core, awesome upgrade imo.

the studios and standlaone users all get an upgrade to a full blown 3D app, wow, now I can start doign other stuff in my painting app besides painting, hey theres a cool shader here I can render my stills right out of BP insted ofmy other app, but you know it'd be nice to have that hair module, oh wait I can actyually add HAIR to my Bodypaint now. Brilliant imo.


Ass for breaking it up into specific industries. Maxon would need some 30 different bundles :/ thats just retarded. Fact is its easier to give the user option to define their own imo. They'd be best off to keep as is, or offer a bundle system that didn't define specific modules but rather number of modules, so XL could be core and 3 modules, Studio all modules. or even core, SE, XL and Studio, which coudl have 3 5 and all modules.

[imashination]

Before you had two options--now you have one. Less complicated.

Well, before you had two choices, now you still have two choices, but they're actually the same ;-)

[Cometsoft]

Hi Bjorn,

Thanks for the info. I downloaded the R10 demo and it appears that you can't launch Bodypaint separately from the whole Cinema package. Maybe there's a way around it, but if thare isn't I would probably just go for the standalone.

More important there is no connection for Maya 8.0. Is that imminent and/or will it come with the shipping version?

Thanks for your time.

[LucentDreams]

Its all one and the same now, Bodypaint is the whole package. Change the window/layout, to one of the two Bodypaint layouts and you'll be in more familiar territory. The standalone is the exact same as Cinema 4D, just a different name to continue supporting both markets.



As for the Maya 8 quesiton, a good one at that, There is only a Maya 7 connection at the latest, and its still what is considered beta (been using it fine here though) I havne't seen anything for a Maya 8 connection so it definitely isn't with the release.

[Cometsoft]

Thanks Kai, guess I'll have to wait then. I'm not going back to 7.0.

[Erik Heyninck]

Sorry, but Bodypaint is not the whole package. The demo includes all the modules also. Bodypaint+Core does not include Mograph, Dynamics, Advanced Renderer+Pyro, Sketch and Toon, Mocca3+Clothilde, Hair or Thinking Particles.

[Srek]

Sorry, but Bodypaint is not the whole package. The demo includes all the modules also. Bodypaint+Core does not include Mograph, Dynamics, Advanced Renderer+Pyro, Sketch and Toon, Mocca3+Clothilde, Hair or Thinking Particles.
With "Whole Package" Kai meant that it includes all of the CINEMA 4D R10 core functionality beside the BP 3D R3 functionality. All module functionality has to be bought seperately or within bundles. You can use the modules with BodyPaint 3D R3 or CINEMA 4D R10 likewise.
Cheers
Björn

[Tysus]

With "Whole Package" Kai meant that it includes all of the CINEMA 4D R10 core functionality beside the BP 3D R3 functionality. All module functionality has to be bought seperately or within bundles. You can use the modules with BodyPaint 3D R3 or CINEMA 4D R10 likewise.
Cheers
Björn

Ack, now I am confused :P



Let me get this straight...



Does CINEMA 4D R10 now come bundled with BP 3D R3?

[ooo]

Ack, now I am confused :P



Let me get this straight...



Does CINEMA 4D R10 now come bundled with BP 3D R3?

Yes, yes and yes! :)
Buy R10 core and BP3 is included!
Buy BP3 and R10 core is included!

[Erik Heyninck]

This is what I tried to make clear.

When you now buy C4D rel 10 core, you have Bodypaint included in it. When you buy Bodypaint 3 standalone, you get C4D rel 10 included.

When you download the demo of rel 10, you get everything, meaning core (including Bodypaint) but also all other modules you would have to buy separately if you wanted that functionality. So the demo has more functionality than core including bodypaint. For example, you would need Advanced Renderer to be able to use SubPoly diplacement, you would need Mocca to drape cloth and create clothes, you would need Hair to create hair etc.

[LucentDreams]

Yes.

R10 (base or core) an BodyPaint 3 are 99% identical programs, they just have different titles, start screens and startup layouts. It doesn't matter which you buy really as they are the same, although I'd double check with a sales agent as to how upgrading modules will work if you buy the program as BodyPaint, I don't have details on that.

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