Cool LW/Maya RIG video....

[Zarathustra]

Someone please translate this, because there's a lot going on there.
• Notice the dress deforming on the Maya rig?
• Notice the stomach folds when she bends over in Maya?
• Why the awful wrist twist in LW rig, as well as no crease when the arm is bent?
• No attempt at a shoulder/clavicle deformation for LW?

I can't wait to hear the translation and/or intent of the video.

[Cageman]

Someone please translate this, because there's a lot going on there.
• Notice the dress deforming on the Maya rig?
• Notice the stomach folds when she bends over in Maya?
• Why the awful wrist twist in LW rig, as well as no crease when the arm is bent?
• No attempt at a shoulder/clavicle deformation for LW?

I can't wait to hear the translation and/or intent of the video.

Exactly... there are very clear visible differences between the two. I hope someone could chime in and have a word about what is going on.

[cresshead]

interesting video..in most respects lightwave seems to be okay when up against maya then...
...

[T4D]

that maya rig is VERY basic not many maya artist would even rate that rig.
the spine is the only thing Most LW may not have seen before..
add to the Fact the deformation in One VS the other ... well don't get too excited kids..

Remember this http://www.characteranimator.com/temp/movies/character_td.html


I have the same rig in 2 of my ca apps,.. I like the idea how the rig was presented
I'll do the same when I release my rigs :)

[lwanmtr]

Has anyone managed to find (or make) a translation of this? Or even a site that explains everything?

[Cageman]

well don't get too excited kids..

So...we are all kids now? :) You have a nice way to present your opinion... really... ;)

[T4D]

So...we are all kids now? :) You have a nice way to present your opinion... really... ;)

well some do seem to be posting these video's as "Look LW is as good as Maya " ...:rolleyes:
the fact is those rigs were pretty average for LW rigs let alone Maya ones

Sorry you are a child in a the Big world of 3D,,. if you are thinking that
or
want to push that View on to others. (NT marketing men pushing this Idea need to be taken down) they have NO idea how powerfull Maya really is..

I'm not a Marketing man with nice words to say about anything and everything i see
even if i havn't seen it or know about it

You should know me by now :D
I'm one of those Crazy artist types who don't give a #### and says what he thinks.:buttrock:

[Skywatcher]

Quote :

they have NO idea how powerfull Maya really is..

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I think there are lots of people that have NO idea how powerfull LW really is.. http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Cageman]

Sorry you are a child in a the Big world of 3D,,. if you are thinking that
or
want to push that View on to others. (NT marketing men pushing this Idea need to be taken down) they have NO idea how powerfull Maya really is..

I really hope I didn't push an opinion onto others by posting that link. Don't know where or what I did to give you that idea. I got curios about what's going on and since I can't read japaneese I was hoping someone could chime in and translate. The only words I can understand in the introducing text of that video are: 3DS, Maya, LightWave, Biped, XSI.

I never implied that this was a Maya-killer rig-setup for LW, but to be honest it does look quite advanced for a LightWave-rig.

And please, why are you calling me and others "children" and "kids" ? What is your purpose by doing that?

[T4D]

I, but to be honest it does look quite advanced for a LightWave-rig.

well that is the reason I used the words I did ;). really those rigs a average level for even LW,:curious: So let's not get into maya..

But I do see your point and it is wrong, Sorry I do apolagize for that .. :bowdown:

I may run my mouth off sometimes to give my opinion, :wise:
other times to try and make a funny :D

but i don't mean to offend and sorry for that:bowdown:

[Zarathustra]

Seriously, I think if anyone else said "kids" like that it would be brushed off as warm and funny. Because Peter said it in his first post, then it's automatically him attacking all LW users. :rolleyes:

With that said, I have to admit I was a little annoyed at and thoroughly confused by cresshead's reaction. I clearly pointed out initially some major differences between the two and they were SO dramatic that it prompted me to ask what's going on here? If I had to guess, I'd say it was to show how Maya was far superior considering the glaring differences but not being able to read the text, I instead felt it was better to wait. I also was hoping someone who knew more would chime in and point out that it was a deliberate attempt to show either LW was weak or Maya was far superior and maybe point out how you actually could get comparable results in LW. The fact no one has chimed in to dispute the power differences is disheartening but to hear anyone looked at it and thought LW holds up well just makes me want to :banghead:

Note: Subject title is in reference to Michael Jackson and not a religious commentary in case you're too dense to see the difference and/or so humorless that you'd jump to the wrong conclusion. I'm going to assume there are adults here and not children. Will I be right? :shrug:

[T4D]

I don't see the need for it to be translated
he rigged afew characters in afew different apps yeah that's Cool :thumbsup:

but did anyone see any character animation they were impressed with ? :hmm:

anyone see any rigging ideas they were impressed with ? :sad:
Sorry LW'ers You have LW riggers doing alot more then what was shown,..
why not search Pooby's posts

anyone see a reason to have workflow like that ?

I'm at a lost why this has even been posted so much around the LW forums ? :hmm:

[Cageman]

I don't see the need for it to be translated
he rigged afew characters in afew different apps yeah that's Cool :thumbsup:

but did anyone see any character animation they were impressed with ? :hmm:

anyone see any rigging ideas they were impressed with ? :sad:
Sorry LW'ers You have LW riggers doing alot more then what was shown,..
why not search Pooby's posts

anyone see a reason to have workflow like that ?

I'm at a lost why this has even been posted so much around the LW forums ? :hmm:

Well, it could be some kind of plugin/script that works with all the apps mentioned? I don't know.... what I do know is that there is a free UW-unwrapper that was written back in the LW7.5 days by someone from Japan and that got released 6 month ago. Since it's exposure it has been updated, got 64bit support and Mac-version.

If this video implies that there is someone who have made a script/plugin/autorigger/whatever, I think it deserves the support.

Just look at what happened with those UV-tools... :)

[cresshead]

yes i DID notice there were differences...and that the other rig looked better than the lw rig..
in the end they are different and nothing shown in the lw rig was a showstopper really...and as td4 pointed out there are many better lw rigs out there anyhow...canned ones like td4's or meastro's or hand built ones by the likes of pooby...

my point is that there's not HUGE glaring rusty 'oh my god its just impossible to carry on'
using lw for rigging or animation..oh course this depends on the level of quality your trying to achieve in your rig/animation...and td4 has pointed out that lw def needs a overhaul in the rigging department...

yet this clip doesn't SCREAM anything of huge note to me about lw or maya...

are you getting this?

[richcz3]

eghad guys - Interpretation overload.
I don't think "kids", "kiddies" or the like are meant in as a slight to anyone.

With that said the fact they show a Maya and Lightwave rig running in unison is what I find interesting. And "interesting" is about all I can say. Ok maybe I'll add "wtf is going on in this video?" Beyond that my personal views of the video or rig may be entirely out of context. Until someone can Translate what exactly the video is supposed to be showcasing, it's all pure speculation.

[Zarathustra]

There's a huge difference in what's going on between them.

Hey, find that Paulrus guy. I think his wife is Japanese, or I've got him mixed up with someone else.

[Zarathustra]

Ok, so the text seems to be a straight up comparison without commentary (ie- nothing saying one's better or worse). Certain parts, like the fingers, it tries to explain difference in how you'd do it in each.
The poster underneath, kar0001, asks if you have time, check out his work.

[murcielago]

I think the bottom line is that its impossible from those videos what is going on. It appears that he was showing that he could create similar behaving rigs in several apps. You have to keep in mind that those rigs are going to be based on HIS understanding of each application.
The LW rig had some strange looking extra bones. Ive seen others do similar things in their rigs that are personal choices rather then a workflow the software forces upon the end use.
One thing that the youtube video does is give an excuse for the same people to bash LW again or start name calling.

[Zarathustra]

One thing that the youtube video does is give an excuse for the same people to bash LW again or start name calling.

How did you get from point A to point B there? I thought we were talking about what this video is about, what the text says, and possible intent for it. Where or when did this become about name calling and LW bashing?

[Cageman]

Ok, so the text seems to be a straight up comparison without commentary (ie- nothing saying one's better or worse). Certain parts, like the fingers, it tries to explain difference in how you'd do it in each.
The poster underneath, kar0001, asks if you have time, check out his work.

Ahh...you found someone who could translate. Good... I was hoping there were some developement going on behind the scenes, but it seems not to be the case.

Nevertheless... cool/interesting video... :)

[adrencg]

Again, what could be an interesting thread has degenerated into "I said this, you said that" BS.

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