Eon (Illustration) Entry: Nazirull Safry Paijo

[Nazirull]

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Hi guys..im in...

This is the chamber, without the caps. I tried it with the caps, it looks too short. Maybe for this one, i try it without the cap.

U can see blue ticks on the lower left, which is the human scale compared to the 50km diameter of the chamber.

This has been done in a 3d package so it is the actual scale.

U can see the dividing seams on the chamber which has a distance of 30km between them.

Thanks!

[nwiz25]

very interesting concept dude! really wanna c where this goes!

cheers to u mate! n good luck! :P

[Nazirull]

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Another shot at the concept. Im trying to catch the sense of scale in the chambers.

Here is the animated gif...i LOVE sharing the way i work with others. :)

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The image should be self-explainatory, but i'll explain it anyway.

This is a view looking up to the cap of the chamber (Which chamber im not sure). Just to portray the sense of scale into it. Ive read somewhere, where the cap and the chamber wall met, sometimes there is an arc for those u wants to travel from chamber to chamber via land. And there is also the plasma tube, running through an opening on the cap. And some elevator tubes running on the cap, the angle is slightly slanted to cancel the spinning of the Stone.

Also there is VOTL flying to and fro between chambers near the plasme too.

[Nazirull]

very interesting concept dude! really wanna c where this goes!

cheers to u mate! n good luck! :P

Gee thanks! :thumbsup:

[DanBird]

The two chambers in your images look huge, you really get a good sense of the size.. :eek:
A good start, and good luck to you.:thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

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Again, playing with scale and textures, the chamber cap might have that arc in a different location and ive read that the wall cap is 'near vertical, meaning the cap is thinner at the center than the perimeter. dam-like construction.

[Nazirull]

*deleted...double post* I swear i clicked 'submit' once....

[nwiz25]

this is sensational dude!:eek: way to go!:applause:


everything is totally in motion! so fast! :eek:

damn! good luck to u mate! ;) :thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

Gee thanks man.:) I'll try to polish this concept before moving on to the next stage. So far the only thing im concern is to which chamber does this belong?

Hmm....Think of that later....

Cheers!

[Nazirull]

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This is the chamber cap section. The connection between the transfer level and the rotating dock is unresolved.

Or i think, the rotating dock stops rotating and snaps to the elevator opening
to receive cargo. And the rotates again to
any approaching OTV.

[Nazirull]

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Probably the view from the plasma tube looking down to the chamber floor. the dots at the center of the screen is the human scale. clouds casting shadows on the floor. Diameter of the dock is 100m. We are looking 25km down.

[Nazirull]

Here is a simple animation of the chamber mechanics.

http://nazirull.cgsociety.org/gallery/422323/ (http://nazirull.cgsociety.org/gallery/422323/)

This hopefully shows that the orientation or slant of the elevator shaft wont affect or cancel out any forces acting on it, coz the Stone revolve at around 7min, while it takes 10min tto get from the floor to the dock near the axis. That means while youre in that elevator going up to the dock, the Stone is going to make a little more than one revolution.

[Nazirull]

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Overlayed is Google Earth image, eye altitude at 30km, and the straight white line is 30km long.

That is Manhattan. Yup...its huge.

[Nazirull]

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Another scale study, the line length is 30km.

[Nazirull]

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Im stopping at chapter six to reflect on what ive read so far, so much can be told on a composition. :)

Trail of dust left by the truck with Lanier and Patricia on it...moving passing control towers and fencing towards the twenty meter wide arch tunnel opening to chamber two, alexandria.

Each chamber has been blasted out, leaving many iron, nickle exposed, with widmanstatten pattern showing.

The floor of chamber one is sandy and dusty with patches of green, as they climd up from the valley to reach the tunnel.

The glow from the plasma tube is ever presence.

The dust takes time to settle as there is little wind in chamber one.

[Ernest Burden]

Trail of dust left by the truck with Lanier and Patricia on it...moving passing control towers and fencing towards the twenty meter wide arch tunnel opening to chamber two, alexandria.

As you've used color to describe distance, I would like to see some glow from the plasma tube to give a 'destination' for the truck.

I think many of us are struggling with the scale of the chambers, whether as entrants or just readers. Your posts with the GoogleEarth images to get the sense of scale is a stroke of genius. Thanks for that!

[GonzaloGolpe]

Hi there! I like a lot this last image. I´ll be watching to the development dude! good luck!!:bounce:

[Nazirull]

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I hope my sketch will try to say it some to u guys. I try to talk less and let my sketch to talk for itself, as much as it can...hope it works.

[Nazirull]

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“Humans built the Stone, Patricia. People from Earth.”
She stared at him, then tried to grin.
“Built it twelve hundred years ago. At least, it’s about twelve hundred years old.”
“Oh,” she said. ”Pull the other one.”
“No, I’m serious.”

This is the moment Lanier break the news to Patricia. The beginning of a mind-boggling puzzle for her...

[Ernest Burden]

How about rotating the tube right, to about 1 o'clock, or 2 o'clock? The whole picture has a right lean to it, quite nice, like a clockwise spiral. Except the light tube violates that. Otherwise, really great sketch!

[Nazirull]

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I think cloud is my friend....i think its a useful tool to depict height. Im struggling to depict it without the help of clouds.

We automatically get the idea of height when cloud is inserted so im using it.

It can give a great and nice glow effects to the cloud by the plasma tube....like a linear, constructed lightning across the sky.

[nwiz25]

:eek: me love this one a lot! :eek: my personal favourite! :love:

just one thing buddy! ... 'glare' up the tube ... its a lil pale and doesnt have that strong white glare thingy going on ...

otherwise .... very sexy .. distant .. work of art! :p

keep em comin buddy!

good luck! :thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

How about rotating the tube right, to about 1 o'clock, or 2 o'clock? The whole picture has a right lean to it, quite nice, like a clockwise spiral. Except the light tube violates that. Otherwise, really great sketch!

Thanks for the advice! Definitely doable....i'll try that. But im currently crunching ideas and brainstorming to get myself used to the world of Eon. My priority is to get the scale right.

:eek: me love this one a lot! :eek: my personal favourite! :love:

just one thing buddy! ... 'glare' up the tube ... its a lil pale and doesnt have that strong white glare thingy going on ...

otherwise .... very sexy .. distant .. work of art! :p

keep em comin buddy!

good luck! :thumbsup:

Gee thanks man! YEah...its a lil pale, prolly this one can go as the fifth chamber, where its dark and unfinished....sexy?

whoa....thanks...:thumbsup:

[Conkrys]

Great clouds! It reminds me of te storm scene in the first chamber after the Death and the Russians are beginning to revolt. By the way... the "Lanier giving Patricia the tour" scene? It isn't copyrighted... hehe... you can go for it man. :thumbsup:

[walrus]

Nazirull - I can't believe I haven't posted in your thread yet. It's not that I haven't been watching it: I'm finding the work that your doing, the scale studies and the use of real photos to try to accurately portray the real dimensions in the Stone incredibly fascinating and inspiring. It's all been great work, and this latest cloud study is no exception.

to echoe what nwiz posted, I don't think the plasma tube should be that intense and hard-edged. Or more to the point, I don't think Greg Bear thinks so. In adib's thread he made one of his rare posts and commented "Tubelight might also be larger and more diffuse." I don't know about the larger in your case - adib's had been tighter, like a laser - but you may want to consider the more diffuse. After all, we know it's diffuse enough that you can fly a VTOL right upthrough and into it and not get blinded! :)

Anyhow, still looking forward to more of yuor posts. Keep exploring!

-mike

[MatejaPetkovic]

Real study, i like it. I can' t imagine where this goes.
Nice work

M

[elnady]

Nice sketches
good luck and keep going :)

[Nazirull]

Conkrys - Dont be too mesmerised by the clouds...nice cloud indeed but i didnt paint those. :). Point taken! I know its not copyrighted but having the similar theme feels strange to me, especially when i say 'This is what ive found' while other had found it first. :)

Walrus - Thanks for dropping by! I havent been reading the book so im abit weak on descriptions of the plasma but thanks to you! Im halfway through the book. But Im yet to chose which scene im doing.

DaveClarke, elnady - Thanks guys! I'll post soon i hope!

[Nazirull]

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Just a random sketch...im a bit inspired by MarkyG's piece...thats what i had in mind all along (rrrrriiiiiiteee......).

Im trying to take the Stone as a character instead of a dead abandoned thing...and i want to dwell more into the political side of stuff.

Since i think the core (rite...ure talking with having finished only half of the book) of the story is the Death and how the nations are eager to get hold of the secrets....

[Nazirull]

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Alexanderia....upright chandeliers...

[naetronic]

I like the new concept Nazirull, good atmosphere of Alexandria. the one before that (the MarkyG inspired) is cool too, this one just seems more epic, great potential! keep it up:thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

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This is inspired again by MarkyG's sketch. Curves dominated the place...I played around with the perpsective...u can see two horizons and a curve spanning above the viewer....and the plasma tube running across the vista...at the far back, the opposite side of the chamber...revealing the scale of the land...

Im stuck halfway thru the book..i might stop hereand develop wuteva i know about the story.

Or just go with anything coz its 'Eon inspired', doesnt necesarilly, faithfully have to be Eon.....rite guys?? *excuses* *excuses*

[Nazirull]

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Tadaaa! No prize for guessing correctly which chamber is this!

With some help using MAX, i get the 25km radius and 30km length of thistledown chamber....the curves are of course from the book... overlayed some google aerials on the mesh to show scale...and overlayed zdepth too...

This one is pretty much faithful to Greg Bear's vision i think....need to have something in the foreground....hmmm...

Definitely some emotional conflict of interest between the expedition party.....Lanier, Takahashi, Patricia, Kimskaya....things like that...

Dunno yet how to do that....will see!

[walrus]

Well, it certainly makes a striking composition. 'Though to look across he chamber, given the gravity pull towards the sides, any people you put in there will have to be looking straight up: I fear that if you put Patricia there, we'll be looking right up her nostrils! :) But it may not need the people - it is a pretty impressive view on its own!

-mike

[naetronic]

wow more great concepts! keep reading and you'll storyboard the whole book, lol !
I realy like the latest one...keep up the good work Nazirull:thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

walrus, NathanLB - MMMmm....nostrils....LOL....i got ur point man. I dunno how am i gonna do this yet. I think i would stick to Thistledown...time is running out for me to bz to complete the book. Im just gonna do its i go.....im sticking to chapter 13 which has the most about Thistledown so far.

To storyboard the whole book would be fun!

Thanks for dropping by!

[Nazirull]

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Here are some sketches....

[Nazirull]

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Another sketch

[Nazirull]

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Yet another

[Nazirull]

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Last one....

[EdTheRenderman]

I have just posted my first previs for Thistledown (has not made it on the post yet) and without taking a look at what you have done already. This is great stuff. Many of the ideas you had struck me the same way! I even used some google maps to look for a good texture to rouph out the feel I was looking for! I guess great minds think alike :)

I'm very impressed by you ideas so far. I agree with the feeling you get with the Caps being placed in the chamber making the place chamber feel small. I've been struggling with that myself. I'm hoping to find an angle that works well to give an idea of how large the chambers are compaired to human scale.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing what how this progresses

[Nazirull]

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Maybe not....i try to capture the first descriptions of Thistledown in the book...can also be found in the Inspirations section, under Chamber Three.

Thanks

[Nazirull]

I have just posted my first previs for Thistledown (has not made it on the post yet) and without taking a look at what you have done already. This is great stuff. Many of the ideas you had struck me the same way! I even used some google maps to look for a good texture to rouph out the feel I was looking for! I guess great minds think alike :)

I'm very impressed by you ideas so far. I agree with the feeling you get with the Caps being placed in the chamber making the place chamber feel small. I've been struggling with that myself. I'm hoping to find an angle that works well to give an idea of how large the chambers are compaired to human scale.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing what how this progresses

Thanks mate! I think the book itself brings us all to one idea about a subject already. But then it still allows some unknown elements which means space for the imagination.

In this case, e.g. the curve of how the buildings are being hung on the cables....can be parallel or perpendicular to the caps....and of course the form of the buildings, architecture and stuff.

[Nazirull]

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A refined sketch...

[Nazirull]

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This is another one on Thistledown. I tried to put most of the elements mentioned in the inspiration section into a nice architectural composition.

I think as an advance city, Thistledown is a little more organized. And because of the presence of centrifugal force, its logical for the planning to be nicely patterned and laid.

I thought of the arches that spans up to 10 km to be close to the cap floor, and make up maybe for circulation around the city. There are few of these arranged in an axis from cap to cap.

These arches is connected vertically to the buildings that is hung from the cables. I think it is logical for the buildings to take up the shape of the cables, although the actual diameter of the real cable inside can be much2 smaller and consists of many.

At each end of the arches, a structure rose up to the very limit of the chambers atmosphere and in a shape of a golf tee...this is perhaps possible due to the rotation of the stone.
The peak of this structure can also be landing pads for crafts traveling along the plasma tube.

The foreground 'cable' u see is the middle one of three cables....it is situated in an axis.

The lower city is laid under the arches....all the plazas and beautiful pieces of architecture....

The actual feel of it might not be this dark as the dominant material is white, processed Stone material. This might add bright illumination around the chamber. As the book describes. Adding to the sleek feel of it is its interaction with metallic elements....

I hope i can pull this one of.

The composition might be the one for me.

Comments please!!

[Nazirull]

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another one

[Nazirull]

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Inspired by Greg's clips in the Inspiration section, depth of atmosphere of beelow and MarkyG....

Im not really optimistic about this view, the soft shadow cast is not visible, and the chamber floor needs to be shown.

The cables are the buildings itself. Some will appear hung from it though, to be faithful to the book.

Thanks.

[brrrhmmm]

Side by Side comparisons So that you know who is doing

what in the illustration category of the eon challenge only.

Classifier followed by artists.

: Strong/Beautiful Foreground Potraits with EON elements in the background.

Movie Posters theme.

Characters in dramatic poses.

Characters have detailed skin,muscle and skeletal structures.



Raffy Encarnacion Dermawan

Marco Alejandro Castelan Morales

John Streider

Radu Bogdan Boeru

Tiberius Viris

Sacha angel diener

Niklas Frostgard

Michael van den bosch

sandra bott

michael dashow

nabil hamadi

alwyn talbot

timur kiryashov

damir g martin

Nathan L Bachelder

Daniel lu visi

Maurizio Manzieri

dale thomas

ego lataire

rune rask

guo jian

hugo araujo

: massive architectures,detailed cityscapes,plasma tubes,huge eon elements viewed in the distance in the style of grand space opera with miniscule,faceless,diminutive men ,women and all terrain machines reacting and responding to the environment.

Raffy Encarnacion Dermawan

Tiberius Virius

remko troost

tolgahan gungor

torsten wolber

nathaniel west

ramy badie

bryce smith

martin nielsen

emrah elmasli

mauricio alvarado kladt

prabath wijayantha

maciej frolow

nilesh ambekar

constantinos krystallis

greg kaperski

adrian fekete

reinaldoromero

marcin j. nikiforuk

james nelms

maurizio manzieri

jarek sznytzer

Derek wilson

Nazirull Safry Paijo

Daniel justin bird

dale thomas

erik linden

rune rask

david freeman

ori arad

markus graf

ali jalali

raffy encarnacion

alex kelly

jennifer Kathleen Phillips

: air ,sea atmosperics featuring natural elements of islands,skies blend into a grand sense of scale.Includes Tree elements.Gaia oriented.Mountain views and Spectacular chamber vistas. Sky atmospherics

lei huang

adrian baluta

gonzalo golpe

gunilla elam

jonathan colvin

guo jian

oscar jostedt

brian Slayton

yann tisseron



: party scene with the character interacting and gossiping

Parties gathered at gate opening

Radu Bogdan Boeru

nekomouse

: wonderful sense of humor even black humor and caricature

Torsten Wolber

per trystad

mark david

: action packed conflict with eon elements in the backdrop and lots of machines,ships,cities and soldiers

thierry schiel

paul hume

: entire cities,planetary bodies,asteroids,weather systems,gates,singularities,flawships and space vehicles in awe inspiring perspectives with large scale explosions.Ships have beautiful designs.Space Atmospherics.

Dmitri G Michniouk

sacha angel

neville de souza

prabath wijayantha

greg kaperski

mona eriksson

attilla kurt

vladimir davidenko

paul b castillo

juha kamarainen

mauricio alvarado kladt

joel carlo

shawn andrews

matt benya

Derek Wilson

blaz porenta

oscar jostedt

pavel elagin

yann tisseron

blaz porenta

: detailed explanatory tutorials

sacha angel

matt benya

[Nazirull]

I appreciate what ure trying to do mate but this is flooding. Please stop before anyone do it for u.

[Nazirull]

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OK moving on...

Ive selected a wider shot of the whole thing. Upper left corner still empty, in case i wanna add anything later... I ve added a structure somewhere at the midground, of Nader Plaza. It won an architectural award in the Eon universe. So i thought it would be grand in scale.

The arches serves as circulation between the slopes...and as a support for the highways...the highways also get suspension from the cables when theres no long span arches.

There are lots of spaces to play with hanging building so stay tuned!

[Nazirull]

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I realised that to show scale, usually the zoom is small....so u have a perception of size. I use 3d to generate the perspective....this chamber of mine has faithful size according to the book.

Its 25km radius and 30km length of the chamber floor.

The temple like structure is Naders Plaza.

The twin tower is a relative scale between Eon universe and ours. Something that i can relate to.

Cheers guys.

[Nazirull]

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Added an overlay of an aerial photo i took over Kuala Lumpur. Luckily its pretty much the angle. I just wanna have some scale that i can relate to, to really understand and make my next step easier.

Thanks

[shattered-fx]

Hi Nazirull,

Nice composition!..cant wait for the next bombshell!:thumbsup:

-raffy


my EON entry

[Nazirull]

The hung buildings s**ks...thats fer sure...pfff....gonna work more on it. Cant think of any right now...gotta go for a holiday!

[Nazirull]

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The previous one s**ks so much i gotta replace it with the clean version...

Gonna work on the hanging mechanism. I thought that maybe the cables should go slimmer?

Just my $0.02c.

[EnSoph]

Beautiful atmosphere! Great, Nazirull :thumbsup:

[brrrhmmm]

Sorry Mate you are wrong on the flooding accusation.
I thought i explained quite clearly in the beginning of the post.
I have also replied to Roman Grin3d but don't have his permission to include the reply here.I will
private message you if you want.

[black-hand-77]

Nazirull Safry Paijo is entered in the "Eon Challenge" update: View Challenge Page (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/eon/view_entries.php?challenger=12221)

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... it seems a little bit empty, by lacking human presence (and touch). After all, the asteroid is what Earth became, not some alien structure. Anyhow, if this is a beginning I like it a lot. It offers a great view, good studied angles and a lot of opportunities of defining and detailing the landscape. Good luck and see more of what you do really soon!

[Nazirull]

Sean J - Thanks man! Glad u like it!

brrrhmmm - I understand your good intent and really appreciate your effort. But to me, why give everybody in the office a copy of a memo while u can pin it up the notice board for everybody to see?

You dont see the admin do it if they have something to say do we?

u know what i mean?

Sorry but to me its a cheap way getting your post count up. No hard feeling.

black_hand_77 - Yeah man its empty....i dont really know what to fill it with. Im trying to get some from the book perhaps.

the asteroid is what Earth became, not some alien structure

I like that! :thumbsup:

[EdTheRenderman]

I love the atmosphere! This is really coming a long way. I like the arched building crossing over the cables. I didn't see it that way in my head. I'm going to have to think about this a little more :)

[Nazirull]

Thanks man!

[Nazirull]

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I would imagine that the buildings hung along the cables would be having the golf-tee shape as well.

I drew some patterns on the arched structure to add to the 'grace' Greg described on the book...i know its a chap way to do it but i try not to do it too much since i kinna like that idea. I can use it abit as the white stone and metal interaction.

Thanks

[walrus]

I like it! Having the golf-teebuildings up there by the cables makes them look like they are hanging, which in turn reminds me of the hanging chandelier buildings described in the book, also. The 2 towers on the right - i know they're just in there for scale, but what about turnign them into one golf tee building (and then sprinkling a few more around the lower city?) Anyhow, time to start refining it all, no?
Good luck!

-mike

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1165416467_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1165416467_large.jpg)

Some preliminary lineart....

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1165424828_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1165424828_large.jpg)

A more refined lineart...i can say that im kinna happy with the composition.

Thanks Mike for the advice. I think your idea is great...i need some intermediate scale building somewhere in the midground as a link between big and small.

Yep...as u guys have guessed it....thats Takahashi and Patricia out from the truck from at some egde of the service road.

I know it looks kinna too high for a service road but i think the chamber is huge enough to fit more variety of structures than my composition can show.

Besides, Thistledown is where the architect has 'complete freedom'.

Thanks!

p/s: Mike, yep its time to refine things (im not so good at that btw)

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1165425386_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1165425386_large.jpg)

A description of whats in the pic....i know its not that clear so here it is...

[EdTheRenderman]

I’m very interested in how organic your hanging buildings are starting to look. I never pictured them like this, but it does add a different level. Makes me think of brain cells with nerve extension. Perhaps they did connect in this way, giving the buildings and residents better abilities to communicate. That has been one of the areas I’ve been struggling with, how would the people who live in the hanging buildings get around the chamber. If you figure the amount of volume available, a lot of people could easily have lived there, and as such would have needed to move around. I’ve not come up with a good answer yet.



Anyway, good job. Looking forward to more.

[monsitj]

very well-plan , and great research + reference , and every piece of your sketch look cool! keep goin ! good luck!

[Nazirull]

EdTheRenderman - Im intrigued by ur comment about it being organic. It is actually not intended to be that organic as in brain nerve cells though. Im trying to capture the the gracefulness that greg has said in his novel. Im struggling to come up with a unique if not different type of architecture to show this 'grace'.

Walrus earlier had mentioned that this hung building is similar to the ones in the second chamber, where the chamber is full with huge 4 kilometer high upsidedown chandeliers.

Its gonna be interesting to play around with this one.

Thanks for dropping by!


monsitj - Thanks man! Im looking forward to see ur progress!

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166302104_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166302104_large.jpg)

An alternate composition. Im thinking to add some human element. Takahashi and Patricia will be on the foreground and Thistledown will be on the mid and back.

I hope to achieve a contrast of civilization, the difference between the foreground, the human element and the alien thistledown element.

I think as the guys in the society is flamboyant enough to wear skirts and shoeless, i think the architecture should go side by side.

Im to read back about the Geshen and the Naderites and how are they socially.

[sergioKomic]

a late good luck and good going from me Nazirul!:thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1164383302_medium.jpg

I hit a wall....im running out of composition and story option....

I looked back at all of my submission and kinna liked this one that ive sent earlier.

I'll try to make something out of it.

Sergio man, thanks for the encouragement. I'll do my best.

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166542960_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166542960_large.jpg)

My attempt....

Patricia should be on the low lit platform at the bottom of the composition.

The red dots are Russians landing...as Patricia witnessed it, right before Olmy and Frants found her.

Thanks guys!

[Hideyoshi]

very effective approach combining 3D with 2D, good compositions!
hope you can finish it in time!

good luck!

[beelow]

Composition is strong now tighten from here! Good luck!:thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166627964_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166627964_large.jpg)

Added some golf-tee structures at the midground....the high golf-tee structure that was supposed to go up to the chambers atmosphere doesnt really fall nicely into the composition though....have more thoughts on that later....

Im exploring the possibilities of having patterns like those diagonals at the corners of the hanging buildings...

I hope i can achieve enough contrast so we can see the paratroopers in red...

Later guys!

[Nazirull]

Oo..goodie! :applause:
Feedbacks!:D

Hideyoshi - Thanks mate! It takes some getting used to at work to learn to work seamlessly between 3d and 2d. Still there are lots to learn!:D

I hope we all can finish this on time!:D


beelow - I must give credit to you...coz ure amongst the first to come up with thistledown sketches and ideas....i was inspired...I'll try my best to make good of this one....:D

Thanks guys!:D

[walrus]

Looking good, Nazirull! I like the final layout that you've decided upon, and the nice warm/cool contrast between the blue environment and the falling troopers. I think the tee-shaped building on the right is a good idea, but the main body of it feels a bit out of perspective from the rest of the peice, like it's leaning a bit too much to the left.

Good luck with it!

-mike

[OKMER]

whoo, such a great compositions you got here.Love 56 and 66.
Agree with Walrus fhe building maybe leaning a bit oo much to the left.
Really looking forward for your next steps!

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166797270_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166797270_large.jpg)

Ok.....got bunch of time today so jump on this and finally got some concept hanging building in and some mood and color study.

Hope to detail it soon.

Thanks guys!

[Nazirull]

Ok i know what you guys might think...that im Walrus, MarkyG and beelow's rip off. If you think this is so, say it.

Looking back at the entries, I think I have a bit of this and that from those guys.

I have no means to copy other peoples work of anysort though, they might looks the same as mine, but we are reading from the same book.

Its hard. Trying to do it late and be original.

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166811390_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166811390_large.jpg)

Some thoughts put on composition

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166812168_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166812168_large.jpg)

Some things might not be clear so i labelled them.

[Nazirull]

Mike, Remko - Thanks for pointing out the leaning golf tee....I have changed the composition i think. Im putting it too, somewhere at upper left or upper right.

When i was modelling, I think like thistledown architect, putting things. First you install the cables, then the counterbalance cum foundation. After that, Buildings are erected.

[Slav]

well planned so far. great work. i want to see more! :D

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166875826_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166875826_large.jpg)

An update on the counterbalance. It doesnt only act as counterbalance to the building but as a foundation on which the building is erected.

I looks like a crane because (i made this one up) the cable provides the most efficient way to transport building material to the construction site.

Perhaps there is a construction dock at the chamber cap where the frame and all preliminaries is planned and built, then transported to the location via the cable. Like a ship dock.

Then on, the crane becomes a part of the building itself as the building is built.

This can make processed Stone material possible to be used for the building project and transported to the site.

I have to be careful not to put too much lights as Thistledown is not populated. Perhaps the military has occupy some areas and so there are lights on these location.

Thanks Slav for dropping by!

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166891833_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166891833_large.jpg)

An update...i just thought that I'll be eternally flipping until the last day of submission.

Yeap....i think the building flow starts from the cable level...The cable (Again, i made this up) acts as an affective circulation tube, which has been there since the erection of the cables itself.
Its suitable for those who desire an alternative apart of the Plasma Tube.

There will be openings on the cables that will allow transporter to exit and land on the Arrival Level. Then decent down towards more exclusive areas.

There are Balconies for those who like some tubelights tan.

I have change the curvature of the building coz the previous one blocks too much of the view. With this new one, I think i have more opportunity to show more of the chamber floor. I think its more graceful too.

I hope to achieve better 'grace' in form , if i get what Greg means accurately.

Thanks!

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166900032_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166900032_large.jpg)

More updates on the hanging buildings....Tilt it according to the cable tilt and chamber floor curves and copied some around to make it busy. I think I wont have enough time to model different buidlings. I'll model one and try to put it in a way it'll appear different.

Got to start on the chamber floor already.

Thanks guys!

Merry Christmas and Happy holidays to all!

[walrus]

Really cool looking building concepts so far, Nazirull! Good luck putting them all together.
Have a happy and productive holiday season! :)

-mike

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166928495_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166928495_large.jpg)

I dont feel good about putting the thistledown flower together. Just thought i can make the name and the architecture similar.

I think that there is a connection between the name Thistledown, which is Britain's fave and the men wearing kilt-like skirt.

Hmmm.....And the Naderites movement started somewhere in Western Europe.

o well...

[Nazirull]

Found this on the net.
Just thought its eeriely related.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2109/thistledownchandelierdd8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Just turn it upsidedown....:D

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166968811_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166968811_large.jpg)

Populating the chamber with hung buildings and some tee shape towers.

The thistledown flower shaped building i had earlier looks too gimicky so i think i skip that...

Adjusted the camera to have some grand balcony foreground to show scale.

I dunno if i want to do a populated Thistledown or post-exodus Thistledown. It would be nice to show some people fashion since i have some architecture already.

Depends on how much time i have.

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166994068_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1166994068_large.jpg)

Just to see how my model under the tube light... :)

Now onto detailing...

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167060626_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167060626_large.jpg)

This is some color test. Im not gonna do the final ones in 3d...im just gonna use it for models and perspectives....

I need my compositing to be intuitive...with my inferior machine, i dont think i have the time to come up with hi-def 3d rendering in time for the dateline...

So here goes...

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167076344_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167076344_large.jpg)

Some updates...

[nwiz25]

yo Nazirull! wishing u and ur family a very merry christmas! :bounce: :love:
http://nwiz25.cgsociety.org/gallery/444492/

cheers! :beer:



> OH MAN! :eek: i saw ur updates mate! holy cow! :eek: u work blew my mind mate! cant wait to da details! the colour pass in ur earlier updates really rock! keep em comin buddy! :bounce:

[walrus]

Looking good! I really like your work on those color tests.

Compositionally, I really like the 3rd post back (#94) more than the more recent two. The landscape view really lets you take in more of the... well, landscape! It also shows off the curving perspective in the background better. In the most recent post, perhaps the camera depth is a bit too skewed: we're simultaneously looking up at the more rectilinear buildings and looking down at those circular buildings all in a very short space. For me, it makes the round buildings look titled towards the camera.

(If you do go with #94, though, you could still consider doing some tweaking with the layout. You've got the balcony 1/3 (or so) from the left side of the page. It might help balance the image more to have the large central hanging building closer to 1/3 of the way from the right side of the page... Anyhow, just an idea.)

Good luck with your composition. Hurry, though: You have less than 3 weeks to nail the composition and finish and submit the entire piece! (No pressure, though! :) )

-mike

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167156352_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167156352_large.jpg)

Thanks for the commment, mike. I do wanted to leave that building 1/3 the the right. But I feel like showing more of the chamber floor and its stuff. Its not showing much at the viewport now though. Im planning to add it in PS. I agree though with the circles being strange...I admit that i was just randomly copying the thing around. Have to check that.

The human scale on the right is probably someone floating like what Takahashi and Patricia did in Olmy's apartment. I assume that they have use that somewhere else.

The balcony on the left is gonna be populated with Thistledowners and hopefully will bring the eye to the right towards the chamber floor (hopefully there will be something there).

Its kinna strange. I think its has come to me, men wearing kilt-like skirt, thistledown as a name (indeed is a britannia flower if im not mistaken?) and golf-tee shaped buildings, flamboyancy in colors and form (althought not so evident in my piece),
kinna have me thinking St.Andrews, where golf came from.....ok im sure it is just me.

Merry Xmas to you to Neville!

[Nazirull]

Had a scare this morning due to the disconnection to international sites...due to the taiwanese earthquake...I thought my Challenge is over...but now thank to all those hardworking people...its back with us now...

[crankbot]

evwn though filled w notes, i really like the latest version of the 3d model, very dramatic angle

[Leotril]

Nazirull.. ur thread is amazing u did a great study in the in Eon in general an it shows ur final image is gonna be a great one it has a lot of potential and the city is looking great i couldn done it better :applause:
i got a question since u study all the chamber measure and all that i wasnt thinking of that and i did a test for the chamber 25000 meter radios and 30000 lenght right ? well the questions is does the render times increase if i use the measumentof Eon not just the chamber also the buildings ? are u using those measuments now? .. hows the rendertime ? :wise: i think im gona have to get memory only 512 for now im using maya 7

later

[Nazirull]

crankbot - Thanks mate....i worked my a@@e off to get that angle...other people mightve done waaay better..:thumbsup:

Leotril - Thanks man! Yup...the measurement is spot on as in the book. Not so creative of me i guess. Well the render time doesnt vary much. I set the units up at meters so the figure s wont be so overwhelming so i just do a cylinder of 25000m radius and 30000 deep. Other things like chamfering a line to show a single storey window, i just punch in the value of 1.75m which will give you a 3.5m band - generic single storey height.

Ive finished rendering the base...at 4000 pixel wide...it took me 14 hours....well faster pc can do it faster of course...its not the scene that cause that, i kept everypoly to a minimal as i can go. Its just my slow pc.

Thats the reason im doing the finishing in photoshop..the old fashion way...LOL



Thanks for dropping by! :bounce:

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167295027_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167295027_large.jpg)

Finish rendering the base....

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167295459_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167295459_large.jpg)

I use the Z depth pass and use it as a mask in PS on the curve, hue, and contrast layer.
I want to give it depth by the play of brightness, color and contrast so i hope it'll give enough depth and a feel of the scale.

The base also is set up in a midtonish color so its easy for me to use more saturated colors on other things like shiny metals and glowing things.

Thistledowners also rather flamboyant in terms of colors like lime green fabrics
and stainless steel teardrop seatings...i assume this is also applied on other things as well.

So i hope midtonish base will make these things pop out a bit..(how many times am i gonna say that?? duh)

Thanks!

[MarkyG]

Hey Nazirull, looking really good. I absolutely love the comp. Great depth to it. A suggestion would be to increase the depth in the image by fogging the far top right structures even more. At the moment the curving buildings in the background feel like they're all at the same depth. IE the bottom disc on the right has a similar amount of fog as the top right ones do. If you separate them out a bit it would help give it more depth. I'm only talking about a little bit. Just enough for depth separation. Whatchya think?



Cheers!

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167471341_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167471341_large.jpg)

Some updates on colors and environmentals...I found that putting everything blue makes the piece looks flat and boring...adding RED will give some drama into it. LOL...(yeah i know its a cheap trick but hey im a noobie, please mind me)

Tried out the processed Stone material, which according to the book has a distinct pattern into it, called widmeinster or something, look it up at Google and found some royalty-free ones and paste it on.

The scene where Takahashi had a tour aournd Thistledown with Patricia reminded me to the barcode-like 'signboard' where u can just read them by pointing a laser pointer-like device.

I overlayed the viewport screenie over the render to give some quick perspective guide. If you look hard at the bottom, you can see rectangles showing 1.8m tall human scale.

Thanks!

[Nazirull]

A suggestion would be to increase the depth in the image by fogging the far top right structures even more. At the moment the curving buildings in the background feel like they're all at the same depth. IE the bottom disc on the right has a similar amount of fog as the top right ones do. If you separate them out a bit it would help give it more depth. I'm only talking about a little bit. Just enough for depth separation.

Thanks for the suggestion!:thumbsup: I does make a lot of difference!:applause:
What do u guys think about it now? :D

[OKMER]

Hi Nazirull, really like your compo there!
I like a bit less the red you've put in it.
Maybe some more darker colors couls be cool.In this way the light coming from above/upper right would get some more sense and your foreground will come out better I think.
Just suggestions ofcourse mate!
All the love and luck for you and all the ones you love in 2007!
:beer:

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167549337_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1167549337_large.jpg)

Most significantly is the added foreground. I knew i had to put it soon or later.

The red sonja hsa gone...thanks OKMER for pointing that out fer me. :)

[LightSovereign]

thats a fine piece, nazirull. the perspective is grand, the colours are spot on, and i love the light contrast for where the character is standing, just right!!...should be a real stunner when done. can't wait!!

best of luck, have a great start to 2007

2.5hrs to go here :).

Marley

[walrus]

Looking good, Nazirull! I think it looks better now that you've taken out all of the pink. The character on the right it really nicely sihouetted by the background. Not sure what (s)he's standing on, but the composition certainly adds focus to that area.

But speaking of focus, one thing that you may want to consider are the wheres and whys of where you're putting your msot saturated colors. With such an unsaturated palette throughout the entire piece, the eye can naturally get drawn to the contrasting areas of greatest saturation. In this case, I think they eye may automatically be lead to the flags on the left and the bar-code-traffic-signal in the center. This is great if that's exactly the areas that you want your viewer to be focusing on. But if not, you could consider desaturating these areas and concentrating the most intense colors on where you do want a viewer to look... maybe the new character you've added? Or the people falling from the sky from your earlier concept?

Anyhow, just a thought. Good luck with it, and have a Happy New Year!

-mike

[Ranath]

hey, that's great work. Nice perspective, really dynamic. Hope to see this finished..

[HFix]

very interesting concept...good luck with the final rendering! :)


-Eon Link-
http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?postid=4109615

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1168445507_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1168445507_large.jpg)

Color adjustment and background...thanks guys for the feedbacks...im a little busy, obviously the timing cant be better...

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1168448117_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1168448117_large.jpg)

The clouds add the sense of vertigo...i hope

[LightSovereign]

hmmm, i like the clouds much! you do get a sense of vertigo. the colour however has taken a rapid decline since you showed us the character placement. That was near perfect, with the odd tonal value out...This light blue i do not think is working... it has lost that grand sense of scale that was achieved in the previous version

sorry mate, prolly not what you wished to hear.

Marley

[nwiz25]

hey dude! i simply love the cloud cover! :eek: :love: very magical and distant! no other crits dude .. me just waiting to c ur final update :bounce:


good luck mate! :thumbsup:

[GonzaloGolpe]

A very beautiful scene, a good place to spend some vacations:D waiting for the final scene =)

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1169709585_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1169709585_large.jpg)

Another idea for the foreground......i think i have to wrap this thing up quick

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170096726_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170096726_large.jpg)

Added few stuff in before the finale....

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170170003_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170170003_large.jpg)

Copy and paste some royalty free images....some color adjustments...for mood....main character is coming up!

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170180983_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170180983_large.jpg)

added few things....namelu patricia

[nwiz25]

weeeeeeeeeee!! thats gotta be one helluva ride! :eek::scream: .. waiting to c ur final piece dude! :eek: full speed ahead! lets go! :bounce: :p

[Manzieri]

The background is very solid and original.

I like also a lot the missiles streaks and the paratroopers coming down on the right, but I'm not totally convinced about the missiles on the left.
Maybe the character - Patricia, I guess, if you decide to confirm her presence - should confront the incoming disaster and stay completely isolated from smoke or fire. Imho it would give more balance to the image, that it's already beautiful without the addition of further elements in the scene...

Just my two cents. :)

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170252476_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170252476_large.jpg)

Almost there........the main characterrr...must go for it...9 hours left...

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170259048_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170259048_large.jpg)

This trio needs no introduction anymore... :)

[Nazirull]

http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170273632_medium.jpg (http://features.cgsociety.org/challenge/entries/14/12221/12221_1170273632_large.jpg)

Here it is

[GonzaloGolpe]

So you finish it,congrats!An original and interesting image. Good luck with this contest!:thumbsup:

[OKMER]

Love tose cercles Nazirull,I want to have one,ha,ha!!REally nice image you finished with.Congratz!

[Nazirull]

Thanks all....but too bad...i cant upload it to the FTP......I cant even connect to the ftp site ...tried for hours now.....sigh

[Nazirull]

nwiz25 - Thanks man! I gave it a last stint....managed to squeeze in Olmy, Frantz and Patricia....(it was rushed...so mind the quality...gimme another month, it wont be any different...LOL)

Manzieri - Thanks man! Actually I spend most of the time thinking abt the background...the foreground as u can see constantly changing. I wanted to leave it as it is but i think by adding some foreground to it will frame up the whole thing pretty nicely...Thanks for the kind words!

GonzaloGolpe - Thanks man! Glad to finish finally! Good luck to u too!

OKMER - U can have it all!! I have no need of it anymore...LOL....Thanks man!

[nwiz25]

Thanks all....but too bad...i cant upload it to the FTP......I cant even connect to the ftp site ...tried for hours now.....sigh



:cry: damn man! :cry: did u try again?? pls try again buddy! pls pls .. u'll certainly stand a chance! ur work is outstanding! :buttrock: i hope things work out for u :cry:

god bless ya with all the luck that u deserve!

take care dude! thanx a million for all the encouraging comments in my thread! :love: u rock!

[Manzieri]

Oh, my...! In my opinion you were just a step away from delivering a great image full of atmosphere!!!
Have a nice time and see you here around!:wavey:

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You are in, buddy! I hadn't understood! :beer:
The work is very beautiful even though you had the wish to try several foregrounds.
Crossing the fingers for you. All the very best!

[Nazirull]

nwiz25 - Thanks man!

Manzieri - Yep im in...lucky! Thanks man!

[Nazirull]

Yep...the challenge is not finished....i think im sending this over for Expose 5 consideration. Few adjustments...I think i have to repaint the paratroopers and give it some SSS...I'll try my best with the characters...

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8708/thistledown12forexpose5yi9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[EdTheRenderman]

Very cool! I've been away for a while and lost track of what was going on with your work!

I take it that you were contacted by Ballistic also sense you mentioned Expose 5. Are you worried about sending something to be published without getting full releases? When I read the Challenge instructions, I vertage about publishing for commerical use which worries me. I've sent an email to CGSociety to try to get a feel for this, but have not heard back yet. What is your take?

Again, great work!

[Nazirull]

Ed - Thanks for dropping by again n again! :)

Im not too worried abt that stuff....from what i understand the art belongs to me, as long as i attach together with its description, 'inspired by greg bear's Eon', I would come out ok......or would i?

Here is another take on the paratroopers....trying to clean out stuff...post-challenge thing..

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6741/thistledown12forexpose5tt4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[EdTheRenderman]

I like the more defined Paratroopers in the foreground. Really helps the viewer understand what is happening, even if they haven't read the book!

Yah, you may want to take a look a the "Instructions" again. At the very bottom there is a statement that reads, "As a derivate work you can not use your work in any commercial manner without gaining written permission from Greg Bear." I worry about this clause even with everything else that is said about us owning the work. I don't have a problem asking for the permission, I just want to make sure that all bases are covered.

BTW - I'm still waiting for a response back from CGSociety on this. Would you have an Idea on how to send the questions to? I just sent it to their general question email.

[Nazirull]

I like the more defined Paratroopers in the foreground. Really helps the viewer understand what is happening, even if they haven't read the book!

Yah, you may want to take a look a the "Instructions" again. At the very bottom there is a statement that reads, "As a derivate work you can not use your work in any commercial manner without gaining written permission from Greg Bear." I worry about this clause even with everything else that is said about us owning the work. I don't have a problem asking for the permission, I just want to make sure that all bases are covered.

BTW - I'm still waiting for a response back from CGSociety on this. Would you have an Idea on how to send the questions to? I just sent it to their general question email.

Yeah i know that clause...i dont have prob asking permisssions....although i know that i own the work....its strange i know.

im gonna check that thread again later...

Thanks for dropping by...i hope i can show u more detail soon! :thumbsup:

EDIT: Well, ive read the entire FAQ thread, most enquiries about the copyright thing went unanswered. I guess im just stuck. 50% of my art is mine and another 50% is Greg bear's. Even if the art doesnt give a closes hint of it being insipred by Eon, we entered the 'Eon challenge' and by entering mean we agreed to all the terms.

Like u said Ed, the first paragraph of the clause says one thing, and the next paragraph says the total opposite. That explains the participant figures in the challenge this time.

Its useless now. Just learn an important lesson.
Now how can i contact Greg?

[Thaldir]

I wouldn't worry about submitting for Exposè.

We are allowed to use the Eon pieces for personal promotion, and *that* is what Exposè does.
BTW Ballistic Media has the rights of first print for the challenges' entries so giving them (through Ballistic Publishing) the right to accept or decline will 'free' the piece for other submissions, IMHO (similar publications, Spectrum or so).

Given that Ballistic was born from the CGSociety and the two cooperate closely I really can't see Ballistic proposing us to do something against the rules.

[Nazirull]

Thats a good take on this whole copyright fiasco.

Regardless, I already email Greg abt it...just to be safe. I hope he will reply or else im not sending, unless some CGS veteran come and convince me to do otherwise.

Thanks for dropping in Thaldir! :thumbsup:

[Nazirull]

Some updates...i think the main building has to be detailed out...too much flat edges...not so good for composition...:)

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/6277/thistledown12forexpose5og9.jpg (http://imageshack.us) http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9452/thistledown12forexpose5wx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Thaldir]

Good updates! :thumbsup:

And you're welcome.:)

[Nazirull]

Time to end it...Im finally stuck with this... i dont want to touch it anymore ...it had become worse everytime i do. Ok ..im waiting for Greg's reply/permission...and submit this for Expose 5 consideration...

Thanks all...

http://features.cgsociety.org/gallerycrits/97420/97420_1171552081_large.jpg

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