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eternal-ish
10-12-2006, 05:06 AM
Hi all!

I can't believe I'm actually posting here, amongst all the pro's, but I really need some advice on this illustration/character concept I'm trying to complete for school.

In order to meet my deadline, the basic colours and toning for this illustration was supposed to be completed yesterday... so I'm really starting to freak out! It's taken me so long because I was having so much trouble with her forehead, and the sketch was drawn from my mind, the only reference I had was my own poses in the mirror.

http://members.optushome.com.au/eternalgoddess/AbhorrentWIP.gif

Anyway I need some advice on her face structure and the lighting. I'm really not sure if I've done it correctly! Also I am having alot of trouble with her hair - I'm really starting to regret giving her flaming locks.

http://members.optushome.com.au/eternalgoddess/abhorrentWIP2.gif

This is the basic lighting I want to use, as I'm assuming all that fire will be causing alot of highlights, etc. Any advice is extremely appreciated, especially in regards to lighting, facial structure and the fiery hair.

Thanks!

LothIssen
10-12-2006, 02:40 PM
hi, i'm new to this forum too but seen as you've had no replies so far....

if the main light source is the fire at her head i would put some shading under the eybrow ridge above the eyes, under the nose and under the lips as your lighting from above. Also i'd make the contrast fairly bold, the stronger the light the stronger the shadow, it'll make your image stand out a lot more. Hope you get it done in time.
-Jay

mrbiscuit
10-12-2006, 04:39 PM
Hi Caroline, first off I really like the colours, on the background do you intend to use fire? If so I'd like to offer a suggestion. Try some smoke and ash, like a volcano, I think could set off the character. Anyway, for the hair, maybe have some hair in their also, flowing around with in the fire? I think with the face for a female characture, the chin is a little to wide. Also the eyes seem a tad too big.

Like the direction of this image, keep it up, good luck with getting it in on time. Hope my ramblings provide you with some thing to move forward.

eternal-ish
10-12-2006, 06:08 PM
Wow - thanks for the advice ^_____^


http://members.optushome.com.au/eternalgoddess/abhorrentWIP4.gif


I took your advice and shaded her eyes, chin and neck. I tried to make her look more feminine and I think its worked! I guess I'm happy with how she is turning out... but I got really lazy when I started on everything from her corset down.


http://members.optushome.com.au/eternalgoddess/abhorrentWIP3.gif


I've been looking at her all day so I think I'm starting to miss any mistakes I'm making. I still think her chin needs to be smaller and I definately like the idea of adding hair in with the flames - I'm a huge fan of long flowing hair ^_^

Still after more advice, and thank you Jay and Richard :thumbsup:

Zephyri
10-13-2006, 04:26 AM
Hi Eternal, I think you've got the beginnings of a really lovely piece here, I like the symmetry of her pose and the beginnings of the lighting on her pose. Her pose seems pretty good, nice work with the foreshortening of the leg!

You mentioned her face in your opening pose, and I do think this is probably the weakest part of the image. Mostly cause that pose is an absolute sod to draw, even with reference, having attempted it on more than one occasion myself. The problem you seem to have is while her head is tilted back, you've drawn her eyes and mouth as if she were looking straight at you, and her nose as if her head is tilted right back. Also, the head gets wider as it goes up. Getting the jawline right can be a royal pain in the butt as it can make a very feminine face look instantly masculine if care isn't taken with the shading. I hope you don't mind me throwing in a couple of suggestive scribbles? You could either go with the first and have head head not so tilted back, which allows more of the features to be seen, or tilt it much further back for a more dramatic effect. I've left my rather messy (and not entirely correct) guidelines on the head, so you can see how I'm envisioning the head in 3D as I draw. Adding some ears in might help too. Here's the scribbles, feel free to use them to help you if you like, though I have a tendancy to make my women's noses very small, so you might want to make it a little bigger than I did... *grin*

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/head2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/xephyri/head1.jpg

Cris-Palomino
10-13-2006, 05:16 AM
To continue what Sam was saying...I agree with his assesment of the head. Since you have to complete this quickly, I'm suggesting a few things that I think will make a difference. You don't have the neck over the center of your torso...moving the head would be time consuming (I didn't notice if you were doing this digitally or not...since it's class...I figure real world media)...so I would suggest a slight adjustment to the the breasts and the lacing on the clothing.

Your knee is turned too far forward for the turn of your foot. Just make sure the thigh/knee turns more outward.

For future, unless you are going for an extreme stylization, be careful with your limb lengths. Between the size of your head and the overall length of your figure, she is over even heroic proportions. If you do not, I suggest to establish the anatomy first and then the clothing.

It's an interesting concept. I look forward to seeing you finish this and doing more.

Cris

eternal-ish
10-13-2006, 05:51 AM
oh my god thanks guys!! I totally see what you mean about the head tilt and the leg! either I change her knee or change her foot - I might try both and see how it turns out :)

I'm so excited with the sketch references u made for me, I'm gonna see how I can adjust her pose now!

I've been trying to get her hair right (looking at some johnny storm and jean grey images) but I'm just not feeling it. I might just give her normal hair... as soon as I get more done i'll post her up again.

Thanks again!!

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