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ice-boy
09-26-2006, 02:09 PM
hy.
does anyone know how to make a superman returns cape in photoshop? i have been trying to make it now for weeks.
here are some pics so that you see what i am trying to make.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns3/black-fortress1.jpg
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns4/book-beahero.jpg
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns4/book-thankyousup.jpg
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns4/book-iamsuperman.jpg
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/images/superman-returns5/thank-you-superman.jpg

Datameister
09-26-2006, 08:10 PM
Hard brushes, a tablet, and careful observation, really. No way around it. Do you mind posting some of your attempts so we can give specific critiques on how to improve the cape?

ice-boy
09-26-2006, 09:03 PM
Hard brushes, a tablet.
i am from europe and my english is very bad. can you explain what this means? :)
thank you.

p.s. i will post some pics i just need to find them. i hope i didnt delete them hehe ;).

ice-boy
09-27-2006, 09:14 AM
here is something i made. i dont know why but it looks so fake.
http://img80.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capeat5.jpg

p.s. is there a small program where i can make a 3d cape?

ice-boy
09-27-2006, 03:20 PM
ok i now looked on this forum for programs.

-maya
-3ds max
-blender
-maxon cinema 3d
-...

are there anymore porgrams? so which one would be the best one for a cape? i know that this doesnt belong in this thread but i think this could help me to make a good cape.

Datameister
09-28-2006, 12:22 AM
I'm no expert in 3D programs. I can tell you, though, that you'll probably get better results in 2D for now. The example image you posted is pretty good--but the difficult part is getting the flow of the whole cape right.

3dj
09-28-2006, 01:53 AM
Hi, I think you're on the right track. It doesn't look "real" yet as there isn't any texture and the lighting is flat, or not dramatic, otherwise it is the right idea.

As for 3d, yes, it would be a great way to go, and any 3d app will do, some have cloth simulation as well. However, you will be a long time off before being able to come to grips with a 3d app and create a cape that is believable anytime soon. No knock on you, I think most people find 3D to be a very diffrent animal in regards to other artist's programs. Once you come to grips with a 3d app, a cape can be quite simple to produce.

-Jim

ice-boy
09-28-2006, 06:59 AM
Hi, I think you're on the right track. It doesn't look "real" yet as there isn't any texture and the lighting is flat, or not dramatic, otherwise it is the right idea.

As for 3d, yes, it would be a great way to go, and any 3d app will do, some have cloth simulation as well. However, you will be a long time off before being able to come to grips with a 3d app and create a cape that is believable anytime soon. No knock on you, I think most people find 3D to be a very diffrent animal in regards to other artist's programs. Once you come to grips with a 3d app, a cape can be quite simple to produce.

-Jimthanks. i would need the 3d program only to make the whole cape. beause i have a problem to make a whole cape. in my mind i dont know how it goes. so i would need something to copy.
for example this pic that i found on the net. i think this is all painted in photoshop.
http://www.iskandarsalim.com/images/art_descend.jpg
i can not draw a cape from my mind. so i would need a 3d program for that. is maya a good program? because i think there are chances that i could get this program.but i would not animate those capes.i ould just ned a program for different forms and for different angles. i would just like to make pics. so is maya good? because when i was looking in 3dstills a lot of people used 3d studio max for their pics.

i wouldnt even need a realistic cape from the 3d program. its just about different forms and different angles. i would make teh main and final touches in photoshop.

thanks.

SoLiTuDe
09-28-2006, 07:39 AM
to be honest you'd prob end up getting in over your head if you were to jump in and start messing with cloth simulations in maya to get a flowing cape look the way you want.

I think you should just tie up a red sheet on yer back and get a friend to take pictures of you at the angle you need, then paint from that as your reference. :thumbsup:

ice-boy
09-28-2006, 08:31 AM
to be honest you'd prob end up getting in over your head if you were to jump in and start messing with cloth simulations in maya to get a flowing cape look the way you want.

I think you should just tie up a red sheet on yer back and get a friend to take pictures of you at the angle you need, then paint from that as your reference. :thumbsup:tryed different materials at home. doesnt work that way because it is hard to take a pic of them in the air. in a 3d program or in photoshop i have more control of how will thecape look.

so you think it would be very hard to make a simple cape in maya?

3dj
09-28-2006, 01:49 PM
tryed different materials at home. doesnt work that way because it is hard to take a pic of them in the air. in a 3d program or in photoshop i have more control of how will thecape look.

so you think it would be very hard to make a simple cape in maya?

Hi, Maya is great, but again, this stuff is complicated to "just model a cape" in. I use Cinema 4D, it has long been considered one of the easier to come to grips with 3d apps.

Sounds like you should get some demos and see for yourself. I do believe though, that if you can't picture the flowing cape in your minds eye, then modeling one to look that way will be just as hard, if not harder to createas you will be stubling with a new paradigm of creating. As an illustrator, I always look for as much reference as possible to create from, then go at it.

good luck.

-Jim

ice-boy
09-28-2006, 02:07 PM
Hi, Maya is great, but again, this stuff is complicated to "just model a cape" in. I use Cinema 4D, it has long been considered one of the easier to come to grips with 3d apps.

Sounds like you should get some demos and see for yourself. I do believe though, that if you can't picture the flowing cape in your minds eye, then modeling one to look that way will be just as hard, if not harder to createas you will be stubling with a new paradigm of creating. As an illustrator, I always look for as much reference as possible to create from, then go at it.

good luck.

-Jimthanks for your answer. so you think that cinema 4d is easier than maya?

3dj
09-28-2006, 07:36 PM
Well, without starting a war, C4D was what I learned on, so it is easier to me. I really would recomend downloading the demos from both, and while you're at it take a look at XSI.

-Jim

Lassjus
09-28-2006, 09:07 PM
Hi. Unfortunately I'm no PS-guru, but I just had to try. I think your sample is maybe too little random. This one was made in a haste, so It is far from finished. But it shows you an idea of how you could make it. I think this can turn out good.
Make the basic shape of your cape. Under layers, press the "fill adjustment layer" button. chose curves. Then drag the curve till you get a dark red colour. Do this a second time, just make it lighter instead of darker. Invert the two new layers by pressing ctr+i while they are selected. Then, with a soft brush with the opacity set to 20 % (or something like that) Paint the shadows carefully, and highlight the non shadowed areas afterwards. Send me e-mail at farstad_l@hotmail.com if you have any questions.

--Lassjus--

Lassjus
09-28-2006, 09:25 PM
Hi.. just had to try another time. Looks like Supermans cape is a bit desaturated. And I made the folds at the bottom a little better. A little advice for you: There is something wrong with the top of both of my capes. It seems like there is much less fabric at the top. I think you should increase the density of the folds at the top.
Good luck.

--Lassjus--

ice-boy
09-29-2006, 09:27 AM
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6399/capesy8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Lassjus
09-29-2006, 09:39 PM
Looking better. But I think you need to make it more random. Tried my teqnique?
I also think it looks like the sheet of fabric is smaller at the top. Make more folds there. Nice colours, but the folds at the edges, at the bottom, is not as desaturated as the rest.
But much better, indeed!

-Lassjus-

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