Blender user new to CGtalk

[Yecire]

everyone at the blender artists forums are telling me the REAL feedback is here.

Everyone? . . . what are they all doing over at BlenderArtists if all the real feedback is here? :shrug:

In any case, you're better off using both resources. For Blender specific info, the answers are more plentiful on the BA forums . . . for CGI in general, you'll get a broader perspective here at CGTalk.

But anyway, welcome to the forums!


BTW: Don't let limited computing power diminish your expectations . . . simplicity can be a great thing.




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[Apollux]

Wellcome to the Blender comunity!!

First thing: Actually it is a blessing to have such a computer. You are forced to learn how to optimize your scenes for render times and memory consumption. When I´m working with other people on a 3D project, my most common complain is about the unsensible use of poly detail.

Second thing: Your art is nowhere near "newbei" level... looks like you got quite some experience under your belt.

Third: Man, this is kind of crazy, but could you send me the flying dragon image that is seen on the crystal lamp? Back on the NaN forum days my nickname was "GoldenDragon" and THAT was the picture on my avatar, wich I got somewhere in the net. It would be ubercool to regain my old avatar :eek:

[mitchelhunt]

Wellcome to the Blender comunity!!

First thing: Actually it is a blessing to have such a computer. You are forced to learn how to optimize your scenes for render times and memory consumption. When I´m working with other people on a 3D project, my most common complain is about the unsensible use of poly detail.

Second thing: Your art is nowhere near "newbei" level... looks like you got quite some experience under your belt.

Third: Man, this is kind of crazy, but could you send me the flying dragon image that is seen on the crystal lamp? Back on the NaN forum days my nickname was "GoldenDragon" and THAT was the picture on my avatar, wich I got somewhere in the net. It would be ubercool to regain my old avatar :eek:

:eek:whoa...i just so happened to have that on my computer...

[Apollux]

Thanks A LOT !!!

[mitchelhunt]

Thanks A LOT !!!

no problem ;)

[DFStormbringer]

Well in all honesty i find it a total drag as im not alowed to use hdri, have to skip any real animation attempts.
Almost ALL of my projects are left unfinished as my computer slows to a literal stop and locks up when ever got over 30k verts on screen at once.

Its so upsetting and depressing to have this wonderfull idea for an image then find out i CANT build it becuase my computer cant handel the project.

My 2 biggest example of this are my Blaster Master 3d Remake which can be seen here
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=65447&highlight=blaster+master

and i had several requests to help and be helped into making it into a game.. unfortunatly i cant runthe game engine.. or any game for that matter on this thing.
And it got to the point the vehicle which was intended for a still image had too much verts to even be able to render the vehicle any more.. more or less the background.. and any lighting and reflections.. so it was abandoned yet again.

Another detailed model was my trebuchet project which was meant to be a scene of it on a cliff overlooking a castle below and attacking it.. but crashes abounded just from the main object more or less any chances at a background for it.

Now im at my Desktop items.. which was an idea i figured id try at making items one at a time for a larger scene i could hopefully do when i have my new computer.
The happeniess of that new computer literally sent my 3d work inot a new level of realisim.. and made 3d a joy again.

Unfortunatly a massive failure of the piping in our house has forsed us to spend 4000$ that we DONT Have on house repairs and removes any reall chances at a new computer.. and its got me bummed.. and my 3d work has gone back to sub par again.

As for the image of the dragon.. its title is "Glory of the GOlden Dragon" and was the first dragon pic i saw online 13 years back and fell in love with it scince.. and was just hoping that the rendering i used it in gave it at least some justice.

[wolfmanyoda]

Blaster Master...sweet :thumbsup:
I loved that game.

[Apollux]

Thanks bro. You are right, did a google search and turns out the picture is from the cover of a novel tittled "Enchantica: The Glory of the Golden Dragon" written by Andrew Bill and published on 1996 by Frank Peters Publishing. ISBN 0948511117 / 0-948511-11-7.

Here is a link to the book: http://thesorcererslibrary.com/TSL//Enchantica/pieceprofiles/en2153bookthree.htm

And sorry to hear about the limitations of the computer. Had you considered developing yourself into lowpoly modeling? Actually it is harder to do than the common high poly modeling.

[Yecire]

Almost ALL of my projects are left unfinished as my computer slows to a literal stop and locks up when ever got over 30k verts on screen at once.

That is a bummer . . .

But limited computing power only limits the current scope of your project. It's obvious from the other posts you've linked to that it hasn't limited your ambition or creativity.

Don't give up, though. Until that new computer becomes a reality, focus on the parts of the project that will work on your current system. Work on concepts, individual models, partial scenes/levels, materials . . . and bring them all together later.

As for rendering, I'm sure others would be happy to render scenes that your system can't handle if you post them and ask. I'll even help out myself . . . just post here or drop me a PM.

Keep up the good work DFStormbringer!




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[LetterRip]

you might consider hiding geometry, using proxys to layout your scene, and then loading objects from libraries at rendertime, using render by parts to limit the amount of verts that are in ram at once while rendering and other tricks to work around your hardware limitations.

It is unfortunate that a talented artist is running up against tool limitations, and I wish you luck in overcoming them.

LetterRip

[LetterRip]

you might post at your local craigslist or free section of your newspaper or such that you would be willing to trade some 3D design work (ie web logos and such) for a used older computer. People throw away computers that are more powerful than what you are currently using. So it would likely be a good deal for someone else and for you...

LetterRip

[DFStormbringer]

Tried the get a new computer thing for 14 years now.. and nobody wants to give stuff out.. only scraps and parts that do me no good.. and more recently.. those that do want to give out thier closet computers are not AS old.. but almost as old.. less then a gig which means they CANNOT run windows XP without serious upgrades.. which run into the costs of almost a new computer any ways.

Comissions.. im almost always trying for though ive yet to have one that actually pays out.. workig on one for a graphical chat called "furcadia" wher eim custom making some pixel items through blender for someone to thier specs.. well see how THAT works out.

As for the multiple tier/layer renderings for able to get more into my scene.. well thats something new to this latest version of blender and didnt exsist the 3 years ive been on it so far.. "self taught i might add.. no previous 3d experince" so the layer thing didnt really stand as an option till now.. which still presents its challenges being my BM background scene update.. cant render the vehicle by itself.. not enough memory.. [only 96 megs >.<].. cant render the background by itself either as it goes over the memory limit.. so its just going to have to wait.

working as a low poly only.. well i TRY to keep the "basic shape" as low poly as possible to keep my vert count low.. then use edge settings and subsurving on final render only to get more of a smoothed shape for things.. that way i can have a low poly for animations and future games.. and with the SS still be able to get the nice smooth 3d still images if i wanted. after all its the ONLY way im able of doing anything.

Im still overly hopefull for my christmass miracle though.. gods knows i need it.

[LetterRip]

those that do want to give out thier closet computers are not AS old.. but almost as old.. less then a gig which means they CANNOT run windows XP without serious upgrades.. which run into the costs of almost a new computer any ways.

Not sure where you heard that but it is flat wrong. I have 512 MB of shared memory (ie ram is used for both the OS and the graphics card) and I can fly doing 500,000 polys/verts in a single object. If you are having speed issues with XP on such hardware disable all of the extra crap (turn off the window animation eyecandy, disable the huge number of startup items) and you will get the speed back. If you have turned down people who have offered to give to you any computer with a faster processor and 512 MB of ram you have probably been making a mistake.

For your current render even if render by parts didn't work you could break your object into multiple parts and render them seperately. However to render by parts using minimal ram

a) are you rendering from command line? (this will save ram needed for display.)
b) have you considered using a live cd and running linux and blender from a command line? (save all of the ram used for running your window management system, also linux has far supperior swap and memory management).

LetterRip

[klikmaker]

Blender user new to CGtalk

To be honest i feel a bit outclassed even signing up here at CGtalk but everyone at the blender artists forums are telling me the REAL feedback is here.


Stormbringer,

You know, I've been visiting this forum for about a year or so, and I'm STILL pretty close to the beginner's stage at Blender. In spite of that, every time I have asked a question, I have gotten quick and helpful responses. I've never been made to feel that I shouldn't be here, or that my questions were "too dumb for the room." This is a nice, smart, helpful group of people, who virtually always treat each other with respect.

I think you'll enjoy your time visiting this forum, and find it useful.

[DFStormbringer]

To "LetterRip"...
Allow me to appoliogize ont he sparceness of my comment.. the "1 gig" remark was in reference to the processer speeds NOT the memory.. im currently running on a P100 processer.. only the old 486s are older >.< so i CANNOT run windows..

And the computers i have been offered have been P400-600 and being less then a GIG in processos speed which is the "minimum processor requirement" for windows XP.. then i cant use thier computer without forking over money to upgrade them to the minimum requirements of windows XP... and at that rate i might as well buy a new one because when your broke.. any ammount of monye is the same when you cant afford either.

note.. YES>. xp CAN run on lesser computers... my aunt and my cousin BOTH have managed to get xp onto thier 600+ processer computers.. and thier computers run slower then mine does.. and thats an embarasment.. it was more then apparent the computer was struggeling just to maintin a stable workign environment.. and had responce times of 10-20 seconds before folders and windows would even open right after boot up.
So placin myself in this situation would only make things worse.
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Yes i have noticed that this forums is SIGNIFICANTLY better at user response then the BA/ely forums ever were.. id post a thread wiht a problem there and it would take 3-4 days to get 1-2 replies.. often not even in relation to my problem.. here ive just introduced myself and its already 14 posts strong..
In BA the only way i ever got that many is if i did most the posting myself with all the updates as seen aparent in my BM remake thread..
as for again trying the layer thing..
BM Ending (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/19748046/?qo=20&q=by%3Adfstormbringer&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps)
Is the image that was intended of being updated in the long run.. as well as leaving the model in such a high level of detail that i can change the angle and the background for any other images that i would still want to create.
Being that i cant even render the vehicle by itself.. [wheels have the most verts by leaps and bounds].. that i woudlent really know how to layer the render...

Another problem being that when the thing IS brought to within working limits of my computer.. the image takes on average of 12 hours to render.. multiple layers will easilly run that render time well into days... which i just cant really manage right now.

[PanzerMKZ]

ok I got some questions.

You got a P100 with 96 meg ram and some sized drive. First off what OS are you currently running?

I mean you got to get creative with the needing computers with no money. Why XP? Blender will run on linux. and linux will run great on older stuff. heck even 2K windows still runs sweet on old stuff. If you want stuff then I would say hook up with your local LUG. The computers that I have gotten for free. Dual 500 cel. P4 2.5. P2 450 Intergraph. And don't turn down stuff. I asked for old powersupply's and next thing I know I got complete cases and had stick of PC100 256 sitting in one. Also have you looked at network rendering nodes? I am not so much the artist but a techie. I want to see the bare min a rendernode would be. That dual 500cel currently runs ubuntu linux. I have 400 ram in it but a clean boot on uses 60meg. and that ram was free. Pieced together. Got some free 18gig scsi drives and controllers.


Panzer

[PanzerMKZ]

I would like to help out anyway that I can. I mean there as to be tricks and such that can help out here. Base install of some linux distro and then add blender.



Yea I know not having 1ghz procs sucks but here are the min specs for XP.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/sysreqs.mspx

Panzer

[KRIGBERT]

My god, and here I am murmuring to myself because I'm doing 3D on a laptop with a one year old intel graphics card :p I don't know what LUG is, but if they can get you better hardware I say go for it. And unless you need software that only works in Windows, I say also get Linux.

I'm sure it's given you great discipline, though.

[DFStormbringer]

Well ive got a list ofmost my computers specs and problems in that blater master thread.. but for those that need the basics..

HP Pavilion 6553 "walmart special"
celeron 133 i believe.. but registers and runs at a P100 pace and takes only p100 style parts... i learned this fromt he best buy guy while buying memory to be able to go online witht he cable modem.

started out with 32 megs of memory and then had a 64 installed.. the first fire happened and fried the 64.. and left alot of memory issues withthe 32 left inside.. but it ran.. a 128 was then bought.. at best buy.. used for min requs for the cable modem.. second fire happened.. now the 128 registers around 92-94 megs depending on apps running.

hard drive started out as a standard 12 gig for the day it was made and has then survived the 2 pyros.. and has then deceloped "bad sectors" as the scan disk calls it.. which has gotten worse over the years and has now left only about 6 gigs of the hd left as usable.. but unstable. files constantly turn up missing and programs have to be reinstalled on a regular basis.. including firefox almost daily.
the hard drive CANNOT idle for some unknown reasons.. its no longer capable of doing a defrag or disk scan without a forced crash.. going through the windows settings and control panel and starting a disk scan causes it to get to about 10% then start over at 0.. common when theres a program or active sector that is scanned forcing the scan disk to start over till the HD finally idles.. well when nothings running ont he desktop.. it still restarts..
whent he computer is turnned OFF.."powered down" the hard drive STILL continues to spin activly.. how or shy remains a mystery but it REQUIRES umpluging the pc fromt he wall outlet to FULLY shutt off the computer... plugging it back in causes the hd to immediatly start up again.

being a HPpos.. especially a wallmart sale item.. its all oem parts.. the graphics card.. modem.. sound card.. and networking.. were ALL on the same TINY pci board... THIS is what started pyro #1... and the computer wouldent even turn on afterqwards till its removal.

Anotehr contributing factor to the first and second pyro event is the cases ungodly small size.. fitting easily into the box of a common pair of work boots.. and with NO heat sinks OR fans minus an 80cm in the power unit.. has no form of circulation in the machiene.. which is ok.. being its so small and full of cables that one cant even get a finger inside more or less espect any sort of air flow.
The floppy drive.. hard drive..and the replacement modem and graphics card ALL had to be removed totally fromt he machiene to even be able to reach the mobo to add the new memory.

the replacement modem and vid card are from my older P100 from 1990 and is the ORIGIONAL VooDoo 1 graphics card.. drivers.. cant be found they dont even acknowledge they made the things any more.

the power unit is the suspected source of the second pyro.. but it still runs and without a replaement.. it what is still used.

the origional monitor..the contrast had all but gone out...most of what was seen was either ungodly dark.. or black all togeather.. and 2 different software based contrast and gama correction programs had to be used to even make viewing things possible.. this monitor has scince been replaced with another older crt but at least works.

the operating system.. Windows 98 FIRST edition.. wasent e ven supposed to have it as the specs for the machiene were designed around windows 95 but Win98 was one of the supposed selling points for this pos by walmart.. and it seems that wallys is known for putting upgradded Os on pcs with downgraded hardware..
the recovery software is faulty withint the fact that the windows14.cab file is corrupt some how and causes crashing upon the instalation of that file during a system recovery.

being this is ancient hardware.. most without accurate drivers any more.. and NOT plug n play compatable for the most part... i have learyness about the usability of linux.. even if i had a stable hard drive.

As for the time being.. im not even bothering with looking till after christmass passes to find out if the "hopes" of a new computer are once again turned to dust.. then ill focus on looking about again.
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as for the render farms and using servers and other peoples comps for doing renders...
firstly.. ive no idea even HOW to do such a thing through blender..

secondly.. ive run into 2 very unhappy situations revolving around my art.. first.. being art thieves... snagging my work.. and not only claiming it for themselvs.. but goiung out of their way to sell it to others and making sure i know about it.. rubbing it in my face...

and secondly.. thost that HAVENT stabbed me in the back by thieving.. proving to be overly undependable.. either A uncapable of doing the rendering process.. aka 'even getting it started" withing a reasonable ammount of time.. aka a week or so... or not even able to do the render at all due to thier own lack of hardware specs.

[DFStormbringer]

My god, and here I am murmuring to myself because I'm doing 3D on a laptop with a one year old intel graphics card :p I don't know what LUG is, but if they can get you better hardware I say go for it. And unless you need software that only works in Windows, I say also get Linux.

I'm sure it's given you great discipline, though.
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Dicipline... i dont know about blender giving me any.. nor my computer... if i have any dicipline. or patience left at all.. its becuase of my 84 year old grandmother with the extreme stages of severe alzheimers..
shes not bed ridden.. yet.. but she sits in her chair constantly.. even when she needs to go to the bathroom at times she refuses to get up.. then when its discovered shes had an accident.. she blames that someone else did it not her..
dealing wiht her daily has caused far more stress and fustration then my comptuer or blender have ever done me.

LUG.. never heard of it.except on voltron... gods im old to remember that >.<

I DO have free unlimited access to Lindows/Linspire...
But with photoshop.. its 500 plugins.. and blender.. im afraid that the thigns i depend on so much woudletn work in those programs.. so have feared even trying them...
more or less the need to format a demagnetizing HD to even try to get it installed which would certainly wipe out my 500+ photoshop plugins that CANT be replaced.. not to mention all my blender files...

cant back them up as the dvd burtner i had bought.. external.. and used.. fried out as well.. the servo moter that moves the "burn" lazer went out and i cant find anyone to fix it... i suspect that it fried so quily because of a probable flow instability in the power setting due to the damage done ot the main power unit.

[PanzerMKZ]

wow. I thought the thread was dead. As a noob I can add something.

LUG=Linux User Group.

example is say www.bham-lug.org (http://www.bham-lug.org)

It is a shame that people want to theive like that. For me it is the education that I am getting. As for me I have to rebuild my home server. Soon hope to be dual P3 1gig. I have a workstation board that can be setup for dual P3 1gig but prob only going to do dual 933's. Geisha (another computer) will be built after paying for my two speeding tickets. Hopefully dual core amd sys. 2gig ram. with 1TB of drive space. But yes I know of the use of old systems. I don't have anything currently running as old as your P100 type sys. But the machine I am typing this one is P3 450 with 640 ram and near 100gig drive space. It acts as my soft router. I would say pretty stable as it as been running flat out for years. As for linux and blender I am new to both. I wanted to look into things that really eat computers. I am not an artist but a techie. Funny thing you talk about the lack of good speced hardware. Currenty I have four machines up on a network and the most powerful is only single P3 933.

Panzer

[DFStormbringer]

the thread WAS dead..lol.. till soeopne replied to it and i got an email saying it was active again.. seems the threads havent changed much scince my last post before then either.. guess the blender part of the board isent too active.

ive TRIED starting a couple new projects.. but gave up on them both.. for lack of inspiration and knowing that id never be able to finish them on a grand scale.. which further killed the creativity spark..
especially when it takes 2-3 hours to render a SMALLER image just to see how the lighting and specularity settings for material and its surroundings are.. which makes adjusting a few small settings then having to wait another 2-3 hours to see the results.. gets on ones nerves quite well... then to go to the WIP threads and see people say they render a base image in 5 min what would take me 12+ hours to render.. i get so jealouse.

im probably just going to hold off on blender till i see what happens at christmass time weather ot not i get a new machiene...
ive already given up on trying to get art comissions to try and help pay for said computer.. managed to get 3 comissions.. all 3 are now inactive due to the requesters no longer tellign me what they wnated done or any changes they wanted made.. so.. no money made there.

[KRIGBERT]

Dude, you have to nag at those requesters - remind them that you're there and that they want your work.

[DFStormbringer]

did.. daily told them i was ready to work and do updates for them and asked what they wanted dont or changed.. and they just stopped replying...

one was making furniture and walls for a graphical chat called furcadia.. got about 50 items made then they just stopped talking about the comission.. havetn gotten a resppnce from them scince.

i cant FORCE them to pay attention OR even pay me.. i can just keep whispeting. .IMing and emailing sayign im ready to do the requested work when they are ready to sit down and deal with it.

[KRIGBERT]

did.. daily told them i was ready to work and do updates for them and asked what they wanted dont or changed.. and they just stopped replying...

one was making furniture and walls for a graphical chat called furcadia.. got about 50 items made then they just stopped talking about the comission.. havetn gotten a resppnce from them scince.

i cant FORCE them to pay attention OR even pay me.. i can just keep whispeting. .IMing and emailing sayign im ready to do the requested work when they are ready to sit down and deal with it.- Did they tell you you'd gotten the job or did you just start working before you'd reached an agreement? Promises made in emails are legally binding, I'd think.

[PanzerMKZ]

If you got the time or if you want to help me with the blender part then I would love to get a linux box up and running for render stuff. Just test renders since I remember about the trust issue.



Panzer

[DFStormbringer]

they have to tell me what they want made before i can even start on it.. so yes.. the furc one we were working on making items for a couple weeks.. every time i made a new floor or wall they oked it then we mooved on to the next item.. being they are o small the comission rate was 50 cents an item.. then she just stopped talking to me one day so progress hasent been made scince.. the other 2.. i havent git anything from them and thus havent even started making things for them..

on a side note.. ive also got a guy that ive designed website graphics for but being it was a simple 30 min photoshop job.. he offered payment and i passed on it being i didnt feel that what lil work i did warrented payment and thus woudeltn even have known what to charge the guy.

[DFStormbringer]

as for testing out a render frame.. comming up with test renders shouldent be too much of a problem.. im always willing to tinker and try new blender features to test my own computers limits. testing anothers computer shoudlent be much of a hassel.

[KRIGBERT]

50 cents an item sounds a bit cheap, but it does seem like they owe you about $25 then :p I'd still pursue them, just on principle, but I'm an arsehole :p

30 minutes of photoshop work = 1 x your hourly rate

[DFStormbringer]

Furcadia is a VERY low end graphical chat with an 8 bit graphical interface.. most the items are reduced to a 50x80 pixel size with no anti ailaising what so ever... so these are very small items..

and making color variants.. like changing a red seat to blue in things like pixel drawing and photoshop woul dtake several minutes to replace one shaded color wiht another.. in blender you only need to change the material color to render a totally different item.. so once i get the basic item made.. like a wall.. variants via textures and materials allows for very quich changes and many varieties which cause those individual items to add up very fast.

being some rooms made in this game can easilly run into the thousands of items and floor types.. most wont want to pay several grand for an 8bit chat room..
so besides size.. that also effects cost..
as does supply and demand.. other artists are also offering thier services and an average per item cost in the furcadia forums is 20-25 cents per item. so my 50 cents is a good deal.

as for an hourly rate.. being the endless problems with my computer. it acting up and crashing.. and being ive got to deal wiht taking care of the house. cooking and cleaning and wathing over my brain dead grandmother 24/7, an hourly rate is just impossible as it can at times take me 3-4 weeks what most can get done in 2 days.
and that woudlent be fair to the customer.
I have to charge whats at least within the limits of the normal for other similiar things and try not to ripp off the buyer or id never get good praise and thus repeat service.

[PanzerMKZ]

So your box back stable yet? Companion awaits me installing blender on her.



Panzer

[DFStormbringer]

this thing will NEVER be stable... but it runs...
so if you want to set that render server up.. go for it.. ill just need some ungodly detailed instructions on how to connect and iteract with it on this end.

[PanzerMKZ]

Yea I am wondering about that. See I got the box up and running but I am connected to the net via dial up. So maybe I can host my box at a friends pad for alittle while. Looks like I need to install blender on one of my other boxes so I can figure myself on how to connect to a render server.


Edit: I am a noob at blender.

Panzer

[DFStormbringer]

at 15-25 megs per blend file on average.. dial up is going to make that lil box hatefull...

[PanzerMKZ]

ok. yea that is about an hour of download time for me. and I don't want to think about upload. That is why I was going to play with it local and then move the box to someone else's dsl connection.


Panzer

[FreakyDude]

I just saw your blaster master thread, and I think it rocks that you can make such cool looking nostalgia images with such a slow computer. I never got past the second level, I was a very small lad back then and a friend of mine had this game.

[PanzerMKZ]

So how is the new pc?



Panzer

[DFStormbringer]

well the duall nvidia 7300s allow me to play new games wiht most functions turned down rather low.. and the only 1 gig of memory could be better..
and all teh software on it is freebies from 2001 >.< meanign i had to update EVERYTHING but windows... this INCLUDES the free cd/dvd burning software which was run off the freebie versions from 6 years ago.. stuff that is now NOT free but 50$+ a pop.. so the dvd drives didnt play dvds at all till i downloaded 30 day demoes of current viewers to get the dvd codecs i needed to actually run the drives lol... tech support for the disk drives and the store i got the pc from both were at a loss and saying the drives were broken and to send them back.. but it was 2 drives failing so i knew it had to be something else... kicker is when i told t hem the problem.. they didnt seemt o care about fixing it and letting others know of the problems.

as for blender... well.. ive tinekred wiht it.. an image that took 9 hours to render ont he old compy only took 12 minutes to render on this one.. which is a hell of a diference.. and have been off and on tinkering wiht the countless new settings of blender that i nowget to play with!!! ive got ALOT to learn!

the big kicker is that ive been drawn into Second Life now and using my blender know how to make items in there for a hopefull profit to KEEP my comptuer up to date... thats been taking alot of my time as well as a current addiction to Battlefield 2142...
but i fould a python script that allows one to make second life items directly in blender and transfer them to the game.. and being blender is a MUCH better 3d program then SLs in game builder.. ill be getting alot of use out of blender now!

[PanzerMKZ]

Good good. As for the roms that is weird. But good to know that you got them working. yea nine hours to twelve mins is a bit of a difference.



Panzer

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