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Afanissiev
09-22-2006, 10:27 PM
Here is my female body experimentation. The aim of this animation is to make an erotical short that shows a love scene between two girls. My goal was to show human sensuality in Computer Graphics. The skin is Mental ray fast SSS shader. The modeling and rigging is made on 3DSmax with skinmorph modifier.
The music is from Rammstein title "Feuer und Wasser" and deals with impossible love between Fire and Water. This is non commercial creation and is only made for my personnal training.

Hope you'll enjoy this!

Download the animation 1280x720 wmv 44mb : (right click & save as) : HERE (http://www.studio-namo.biz.st/afanissief/wasser.wmv)


http://www.studio-namo.biz.st/images/wasser00.jpg
http://www.studio-namo.biz.st/images/wasser01.jpg
http://www.studio-namo.biz.st/images/wasser02.jpg
http://www.studio-namo.biz.st/images/wasser03.jpg

tobeythorn
09-23-2006, 02:31 AM
I have mixed feelings about this one. The editing is very good. There are also some interesting and effective things you did with the lighting, texturing and shading. I really like the way the lips look. The skin could do with some more variation. The animation is generally extremely unnatural and mechanical. Perhaps this is an intentional metaphore, perhaps it is because you have a limited understanding of human motion(check out Edwierd Muybridge). I wasn't really digging the blood splotches throughout. The beginning with the pool seemed extraneously long. The female model is quite nice except for a few kinks. You used the same model twice: was this laziness or autoerotic and/or suicidal themes? I also am not so sure I have gained any new experience or perspective by watching it... Erotica+violence is a very old genre, perhaps one of the oldest. What do you want to say and what kind of feeling do you want the viewer to leave with with this piece? This seems like a visual experiment more than complete art work, which is fine, but I wouldn't mind seeing this reworked.

Cheers,
-Tobey

Afanissiev
09-23-2006, 01:32 PM
Thanks for these constructive critics Tobey.
You're right about my animation lacks and I've done my best. The challenge was to make close interaction between the two characters. Of course I try to get aware of animation artists and techniques and I hope I'll be a better animator for my next works but I am still training.
The same model is used twice with a morph modifier to get some differencies. The other girl have also darker skin. But you're right finally the two characters are very similar. There is no special signification about this. Maybe thez are sisters? Next time I'll get more time to make the two characters very different. The girls were LPM made on 3DSmax and the furtive male character was improved in Zbrush.

The ink stain represents organics fluids like blood and sperm. I never used red color because I liked the contrast between black and white and the theme : fire & water.

And you're right about the unoriginal theme : sex and violence is one of the oldest. I've heard about difficulties of making love scene in computer graphics. I guess that was a good challenge for me. This is an extremely simple subject that was a pretext for this animation.
I hope viewers to be sensitive to the erotical aspect of this animation. If viewers says "beaahhhrk" ok I missed the point... But if somebody says "What a beautiful girl! I want her in my bed", it's ok for me.
Making this was a pleasure for me and I hope all these lacks will be corrected in my next animations.
This animation is the result of 6 month spare time work in witch I take long time to make the girl looks nice. This is the firts time I uses ClothFx physicalised hair. All my techniques needs improvment but I hope I'll learn fast.:D
This was also my first SSS atempt and I am happy that the result looks not so bad.
Thanks very much for viewing and critics!

M-TICO
09-23-2006, 10:02 PM
downloading.!!!

PremiereBoris
09-23-2006, 10:18 PM
I dunno, I think the video was pretty fun.
I liked the song, the video was perfectrly synched to the music.
Yes, the erotica+violence is one of the oldest themes, but I still find it cool.
The only real thing I have is the animation. MAYBE, maybe you could increase the nipple detail, considering that it gets a close up. Also in my opinion the blood splatters looked cool, but I think they should dissapear each time you would jump the camera from shot to shot.

mistasam02
09-23-2006, 11:14 PM
whoa! i totally digged that! :D very artsy and perfectly timed with the music.. i agree that the animation could have been smoother.. but as was said originally, this is a mood piece. the swimming in the beginning really kinda stood out just because the girl really didnt move much at all, and her head/eyes stared on stiffly. the only other spot that could do with improving is when the guy grabs her around the neck. overall though, i really enjoyed this! awesome emotional concept and story.. and i loved the texturing/lighting/rendering part of it all! oh and the hair kicked ass too :thumbsup: nice work!

zbavas
09-24-2006, 03:06 AM
Sorry mate,

I don't like smutty 3D. I feel its a big waste of talent.

ChrisMann
09-24-2006, 04:42 AM
Everyone has their own opinion on erotic content, but I feel this piece was far from smutty.

Crits/comments;


- The violence, passion, violence back and forth didn't really do it for me. I would have enjoyed it more with just the passion and moodiness.
Intro as others have said, is way too long. Music syncing aside, you could get rid of most of the footage before the character appears.

-I liked the character model. The face could use a bit more work, as do the textures. Nice lighting.

-Animation could use more work but it was not bad.

-Water interaction is really hard to do in 3d, you did a decent job of it.

Overall I was pleased at seeing something like this. Its different, wasn't made in poser and was not offensive (in my mind.)

Afanissiev
09-24-2006, 12:38 PM
Thanks for viewing and comments!

You're right the first part of the animation is little boring. My aim was to make the spectator little frustrated before the appearance of the girl. Maybe its a mistake but I wanted to test this...

To zbavas : I didn't want to make vulgar animation and I am sorry if this piece has shoked you. The first goal was to magnify the female body in computer graphics.

stunner
09-24-2006, 04:00 PM
this is very cool clem ! awesome job ! love the second picture ! hehe keep it up tu déchires tout !

:thumbsup:

ZeViking
09-24-2006, 04:31 PM
As I already told you, I really enjoyed that video, the render of the lights and the character design... I just think that the ink spots are too present.

Anyway, good work guy !! Impress us more and more !!! :thumbsup:

Kinematics
09-24-2006, 06:06 PM
Hey man!

i think the models could use a lil more work esp the texturing side.
but the lighting was pretty damned good and I feel what u have done was really awesome...its really hard to do tthis kinda thing in 3d...planning the whole thing to me would be hard... its not like film where u just shoot and u edit to the music and throw the rest out...i suppose that is why we do animatics and spend so much time working on the animatics. I wouldnt know where to start if i wanted to do something more artistic and abstract like urs and i think you deserve a big congrats!!!

Some scenes were really good, though i felt overall it was draggy and repetitive towards the last bit. The editing was nevertheless great. Perhaps you could have done a better job with the gun and hands or avoided doing such a close up...try to hide parts that didnt look convincing.

I know im being picky but i was just throwing my 2 cents...I honestly couldnt come close to coming up or visualizing something like that. i really think it was an awesome attempt.

After afew more projects...u would be great! the animation does need work but im pretty sure itll just keep getting better. Good luck bro!

JanoFR53
09-24-2006, 08:09 PM
Hey ! Congratulations man ! Awesome work especially for a first try with SSS and others technics !! Some lacks (animation too steep i think, intro too long maybe...) but finaly, a result like this, with 6 months of work for only you, successful job !!:thumbsup:

see u soon

shy-guy
09-25-2006, 06:54 AM
Hey men; well, i see the effort you put into this piece, it has really great moments, congrats. Like the others have said, the editing is really nice, aswell as the lighting and the models.

The thing that bothered me the most is that the piece as a whole felt... kinda disjointed, like if you wanted to cram in too many styles in one short; sometimes i felt like you put in a blender pieces of sin city, a james bond intro, an art film, a soft core sex movie and a film noir... it just didnt mix... but thats just me man. Really, keep it up, do what you like, no matter what others say... just, try to improve with every outing.

Good luck.

QNL
09-25-2006, 10:29 AM
Hey dude, I'm going to give you my opinion as a 3d artist..

I really liked the modelling, I really liked the textures, I found the animation oke...

good work! Only whats really important is that you make a good connection between sound and film... the timing was oke.. but it didnt Fit together..

Hardcore music and softcore porn thats not a good combination... this is considerd porn you know.. hehe :)

Try working harder on the animation... And try to bring in the connection between sound and film so that it fits... Cause what is the feeling we get from this softcore porn? we get a pleasant feeling... we Relax.. and then we dont want a yelling music through it.. that disturbs it....

;)

Afanissiev
09-25-2006, 11:02 AM
Maybe you're right QNL, but in my mind the song match the animation. The text deals with sexual frustration of Fire who's not able to do love to Water. The original song is a mix on soft text and hardcore sound.
you can see a translation here : http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/rosenrot/feuer_und_wasser
I didn't want to fall in a porn piece and I tried to keep it elegant.

QNL
09-25-2006, 12:27 PM
Yes if that is what you want the viewer to see.. and what you want the viewer to realize and to feel..

I see... they want each other so bad but it just doesnt work quite well..

frustration.. bit of anger that is seen in the music..

I think then I just misunderstanded it ;)

You did a very good job!

Maybe you should make it more clearer to the viewer...

Ow Btw I made a vid too.. http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=409371

I hope you like it :) post something if you'd like

madnux
09-25-2006, 01:06 PM
HOT!
:thumbsup:

Congratulations!
Maybe I expect see more nudity on the film!:twisted:

the soundtrack! it's ok:buttrock:

QNL
09-25-2006, 01:13 PM
Dont mind him.. ^ He sees everything as porn...

M-TICO
09-26-2006, 04:57 PM
nice.!!! nice.!!!:applause:

reginaadom
10-14-2006, 09:27 AM
It's a pretty good. But i would rather see a simple cute smart new idea of animation than a sexual something like dis. Hope u can create one!

splintah
10-14-2006, 02:12 PM
i am not really a big fan of erotic 3d

but i think its pretty well done

if the animation was stronger it would be really good

FunkyCowie
10-14-2006, 06:34 PM
If it was animated better.
If the editing was more fluid.
If there was less shot recycling.
If there was more emotion.
If there was more variance on splatter forms.
If the opening was about 10 seconds shorter.
If the girls were completely identical and it was showing the girl wanted to escape the straight relationship she was in because she was Bi or Lesbian or the girls were more different (one could have had longer/shorter hair).
If the texuring was improved.

This would totally rock! I can see what you were going for and I really like it... however because you didn't achieve it fully then I can only say I think it was ok.

J.Gaeta
10-14-2006, 08:01 PM
I would have to agree with some of what FunkyCowie says. It was a bit too long overall and you used so many splatters that they become meaningless. Less is more, especially in a piece like this, don't spoon feed your ideas, let the audience create their own conclussions.

Great idea though, and I really enjoyed the style of lighting. Cheers!

MarcosJoannes
10-14-2006, 09:34 PM
[QUOTE=J.Gaeta]I would have to agree with some of what FunkyCowie says. It was a bit too long overall and you used so many splatters that they become meaningless. Less is more, especially in a piece like this, don't spoon feed your ideas, let the audience create their own conclussions.

I have to agree, too many splatters and I din't like the animation. But the mood is great!

QNL
10-15-2006, 12:13 AM
Motion blur... That would make it a little more fluid... And also moving other bodyparts that even dont need animation.. because when i move my hand.. my arm moves with it too.. while actually i want to animate only my hand. get it ;) Also when you're making animation.. try the movement yourself and see what other bodyparts move too and in what direction... And also no sharp turns... when i turn my head left.. it never goes only left.. it also goes other directions.. when i turn my head left it goes a little bit up too.. its human.. and when i dont want to turn my head left any more my head goes a little back to the right.. cause thats human.. those little things form one big thing in a whole.. ;)

betito
10-15-2006, 08:41 AM
Not Bad at all, but the beginning is too long and boring, the light is ok, the repetitive shots are too obvious, and the movements are too robotic, but I agree this is a great start to create amazing things for you in the future.....Keep it cool.

VirtualFM
10-17-2006, 12:03 AM
Hi!

I just finished watching your videoclip and have to agree to most of what have been said here: with a bit more of work you would have an outstanding piece, unfortunatelly it's lacking in some aspects, mainly the animation part and the beginning it's like "when will this thing start?!".

The main problem is it is full of contradictions:
-the animation is lacking, but the posing is excelent
-the textures do not do it justice, but when you treat them (like in some posterised(?) shots) it works very well: the shot at 2:41/2:42 is just great! I also liked the few SSS shots you made.
-some water is not more than some spheres that don't look very well, OTOH the shot where the girl is swimming and we see an air-bubbles trail is just perfect
-as mentioned before, the animatoin is lacking... But the reverse of the medal is that you made some body interaction that is leaps beyond what is shown on, for example, the kiss scene on Final Fantasy:Spirit Whitin, and at at 4:27 the breast-licking is very smooth and looks real enough to me (animation wise). The shooting gun is also well done.

Oh, style and editing is very good and goes well with the music (very nice piece if you like the style) and use of Alpha Masks was a bright idea, so, overall, if I was Ramnstein's manager I would want it and aired on some tv station where it could go uncensored!! Like in Portuguese SIC Radical, for example!
:thumbsup:

csprance
10-17-2006, 04:49 AM
Wow man amazing work. Although there was alot of animation that was lacking and the splatters did get quite annoying. the style of it was just awesome in my opinion I thought it was a kick ass peice of work and with a touch up on the anmiation and a little work so those splatters look more normal and don't get to be so much it would be kick ass.

Chris

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