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jramauri
09-21-2006, 10:27 AM
Hi guys

I'm doing a representation of the Hindu god Shiva, just for fun. Some feedback from you would be appreciated.

Here's the initial concept. Shiva is being depicted as Nataraja, lord of dancers. I made this concept to define colors.
http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/wip/shiva_02.jpg
http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_02.jpg

The first refinement stage:

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/wip/shiva_03.jpghttp://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_03.jpg

The second. Here I defined the fire circle, around the characters.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/wip/shiva_04.jpghttp://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_04.jpg

And here's a closeup. I'm currently defining his face.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/wip/shiva_close_01.jpghttp://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_01.jpg

Crits or suggestions are welcome. If someone wish to make a paintover, don't worry. Thanks in advance.

Iridyse
09-21-2006, 10:36 AM
You mean the Hindu god.. :P

Looks great though, the colours are lovely:) I just think his pose seems a little unbalanced. The torso should lean a little more towards the left(our left). The curve would add to the grace and make the figure more balanced.

jramauri
09-21-2006, 10:54 AM
Hehe, I edited my post and fixed my english mistake. Sorry!
Good point about the torso. I'm gonna fix that. Thanks, girl.
By the way, I hope I can count on your help during this development, as you are very talented and you know.. you are from India! :thumbsup:

Iridyse
09-21-2006, 11:13 AM
I'll be glad if I can help! :) I just know a little about this pose, I've posed like that for quite a bit (dances and fancy-dress competitions as a kid, hahah). Looking forward to more updates! :)

jramauri
09-21-2006, 04:37 PM
(...) I just know a little about this pose, I've posed like that for quite a bit (dances and fancy-dress competitions as a kid, hahah).

How cute! Do you have any photo of this? I'd like to see!
New updates are coming soon.

Gisaiagami
09-21-2006, 05:58 PM
te aqui
mas nem tem o q falar
mui bom ne ^^

jramauri
09-22-2006, 03:00 AM
Pois Ú, Gisa, atÚ por aqui! hehehe...

Well, it follows another update. There's a lot of minor improvements on skin, hands and background.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_06.jpg

Iridyse: I know that you were talking about this kind of bend:

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/818/shivaasnatarajaxt8.th.jpg (http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/818/shivaasnatarajaxt8.jpg)

But i didn't like that position, with Shiva projecting his chest to front. So I tilt his figure a little to the left, to try to keep balance, but i mantained the same back curvature as before. I hope you like it this way.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/wip/shiva_06.jpg

Iridyse
09-22-2006, 11:55 AM
Ah, the pose is looking SO much better! I wasn't thinking of the sculpture though, just noticed that the top half was leaning too much to the right. I really like the change in the hand holding the drum(damru), it's more natural :)

And no..no photos! Hahaha. I have bad memories of this one time when I was dressed as Shiva, my mother applied blue dye on me (my dad used to make those) and it refused to come off for a week! Eek :D

jramauri
10-11-2006, 02:39 AM
Iridyse: But I bet you looks great with blue skin. I've seen you photo, you're a beautiful girl, and beautiful girls go well with any color.:)

After some time, there goes an update. Here, I started to define the trident (Trishula, correct me if I'd wrong) and worked a bit more on his hands and face. I started to refine his bracelets and the snake he carries on neck too.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_07.jpg

Trishula close:

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_02.jpg

Body detail:

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_08.jpg

zng-Y
10-11-2006, 08:34 AM
This turning out realy nice! My only crit atm would be: she stands in the middle of a fire and there is not so much reflection of the fire on her.
Keep it up.

remcv8
10-11-2006, 02:36 PM
I'm all blissed out after seeing this.


Very very cool!!!

jramauri
10-26-2006, 10:42 AM
Sorry for such delay in answer you both, and to post some update.. I had serious problems with my PC last days.

zng-Y: I'm aware of this. But I'll make this correction when I finish painting all details. Then I'll make a new color correction layer, to make Shiva's figure a bit brighter.
And Shiva is a HE, not a SHE :)

remcv8: thanks, man!

There goes an update, after a looong time. I worked on his hair, snake, bracelets, his drum (damaru), hands and some minor details. Hope you like it.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_03.jpg

Gisaiagami
10-26-2006, 01:13 PM
wonderfull my friend
hair very nice
my attention is only how much the jewel as
I explained to it in 3dforall because bad english ;)
keep up my friend ;)

zif01
10-27-2006, 06:43 PM
Nice work man. Jus little strange looking I think his right inner hand look like wrong shape and shape of his nose too . I like torso and that skin color look so nice.
I 'll wait to see your finish work.

raultabajara
10-28-2006, 08:53 PM
Man, thats a great paint!
I love the concept of the art and the color pallet. he two had combined very well.
I love Mila, but you paint had may vote in yours contest! :)

Give a look in the mini finguer that are taken the stick. I think that finger dont have a good depth, and is enter in the stick - you understand my poor english? :)

Hey, get a look in my T-rex-cartoon WIP!
I Wanna you comments and critcs!
:)

jramauri
10-29-2006, 01:35 AM
Thanks Gisa, you are the best !
zif01: Thanks man. I won't touch these parts you referred, because I think they're are good enough by now. But I will consider your advice in next drawings.

Edit: I havent'seen your post before, Raul, it seems CGTalk was a bit crazy yesterday; Thanks for your comment, it makes me really happy, mainly because I think Camila is a great artist and, you know, i'm getting your vote! hehehe...
I'm aware of the problem with his finger. I looked at my own pinkie when I was on the bus past week, and I noticed how that volume should behave. I'll fix this later, don't worry.

One more update. This time I worked on his clothes and legs. I remade part of the hair, as the anterior was looking strange to me. And I started to do the Ganges river, flowing from his head too.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_04.jpg

More to come...

jramauri
10-30-2006, 01:24 AM
One more. As I've already worked a lot on Shiva, I'm moving to the bottom part of image.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_05.jpg

And here's the overall looking (yeah, I know the rock isn't straight, but I'll fix it other day, now I'm tired :)):

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_12.jpg

Iridyse
10-30-2006, 01:40 PM
*ogles*
One of the things I really like about your painting is how "Indian" it looks- the lips, the front pair of hands etc. And that is a wonderful thing because I think it is rather difficult to do. I'm doing a Radha-Krishna painting myself, and trying to get that "feeling", but I can't :-/ I think I'm too dark to do religious stuff, hehe.
Anyway, I really like the water spray. Maybe it could have some yellow of the fire reflecting on it? Also the fingers holding the trident look a little fat compared to the others.
Start working on the background already! heheh.

jramauri
10-31-2006, 11:51 AM
Hi Iridyse, glad to see you here again.
I became really happy with your words, mainly because you are indian and you know what you're talking about. I used a lot of indian pictures as reference, and it's pretty good to see that I achieve the effect I wanted, to make a "indian looking" portrait of Shiva.
I'm not religious, I'm agnostic. But I don't consider myself a "dark" person.. Maybe because this I'm being reasonably successful doing a religious themed pic. ;)
I'm aware of his finger problem and about the water. I'll fix this things later, after I've done the "heavy" part of the job. I have the bottom part and background yet to work on...
Thank you very much for your comment.

jramauri
11-02-2006, 12:42 AM
One more. This time I started to work on BG. I changed the placement of a lot of things trying to give more depth to the scene, and also changed the shape of first plane rock.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_13.jpg

ikuru
11-02-2006, 01:10 AM
its really nice this one, Im not indian, but been to India sever times, and yes it does have the indian feel allot, like a wallpainting or poster. Did u finnish working on it?

zng-Y
11-02-2006, 10:13 AM
Hey, I was wondering how you made the water spray. It's looking pretty nice. I do agree with Iridyse that the water sprinkles can use some reflection. This piece is turning out realy neat. Keep it up and oh yeah Amelie is pretty cool ghehe :scream:

jramauri
11-02-2006, 11:01 AM
Thanks for your replies guys.

Ikuru: It's not finished. But almost. I believe I can finish until the begining of next week.

zng-Y: I made the spray using the default hard-edged brush of PS. I varied the spacing, scattering and opacity a lot, to obtain different kinds of sprayed strokes. I used some reference of real fountains, and gave some random strokes with a normal brush, to make it more irregular.
I've already added a layer in top of the water layer, with yellow strokes to simulate fire reflections. It's so hard to notice? :sad: Any advice in how to make it look right?

ikuru
11-02-2006, 01:18 PM
probably you need to make the water more yellow.

http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/2005/france_rioting_ena112_o.jpg

like this.

rosewalt151
11-02-2006, 02:27 PM
Great wk:scream:.looks v beautiful.
i just want to say one thing that the fingers look v stiff (one's without the objects)
i have visited many temples in south india and the amout of detail they have given to
the sculptures r mindblowing:eek::bounce:.The fingers have a v soft pose to it.i hope u got wht i am trying to say.anyways thats my opinion other wise its looks great.:thumbsup:

Pegahoul
11-02-2006, 02:35 PM
Cool pic! I like the overall scene and how you make the hands and fingers. The hair look stiff though, like a statue, and the cloth drapery isn't quite right for me. There's too many foldings especially on the loose part (the one with bells hanging).

zng-Y
11-02-2006, 02:41 PM
Hey Amauri, usualy the color of fire is a bit more orange in the beginning, so when it reflects on water it usualy reflects this hard yellow/orange color. Maybe try that.

jramauri
11-06-2006, 12:20 AM
Thank you very much, guys. Great advices, I will take on consideration when I'm going to make the final fixes. By now, I'll simply post a lazy weekend update, with some work on Shiva's feet, demon clothes and the 1st plane rock.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_06.jpg

theflash
11-07-2006, 03:40 PM
WOW! the latest result is amazing. I love all the effects and detailing. But to lord shiva's original conception I think he looks a bit softer. From what I know there are main 3 gods Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu, and Lord Shiva. Lord Shiva is considered to be the God of destruction.
I am not much into details on religeious beliefs, but this is what I know.

But yours is not really anything wrong or so. I like the new perspective of him :)


Amazing work :)

jramauri
11-07-2006, 04:13 PM
Thanks Maulik.
Although Lord Shiva is known as God of Destruction, he's not a bad entity. In fact, he represents nature, that is bad and good at the same time. He's not like a devil or something in this sense, but a entity that cares for universal order. Lord shiva just destroy things to give place for new things to come. if you make a research about him, will find that he's extremally calm and peaceful. He's the creator of Yoga too.
Anyway, glad to have your comment about my picture. I'm almost finishing :beer:

theflash
11-09-2006, 01:51 PM
I didnt mean to portray him as negative or something. But his anger brings destruction. Ofcourse he has many faces, like you already have mentioned. He is Natraj (Lord of dance), and originator of yoga etc...

I mentioned because your portrait has included an evil being crushed under his feet. But also he is dancing so to me it was a bit new. Otherwise this is a beautiful painting :)

jramauri
11-30-2006, 03:04 PM
After some time without posting, there goes one more and hopefully the last update. I used a paintover that Steven Stahlberg made with my picture as a guide, and made some changes on lighting, background, clouds, and others things.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_14.jpg

Some details:

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_07.jpg

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_08.jpg

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_09.jpg

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_close_10.jpg

If you guys have some crit to do now is the moment :)

Pegahoul
11-30-2006, 03:57 PM
Maybe add some textures to the rock where they stood. It looks too 'clean' for me... and shadows. Both Shiva and the evil has no shadows

raultabajara
12-01-2006, 12:01 AM
Guy,

this stuff is Very Wonderfull!
I love it! :)

(Agora fala a verdade, esse demonio esta com a cara do josÚ sarney - ex presidente da republica...) hauhauhauah

vivien82
12-01-2006, 01:26 AM
wow this is looking awesome-maybe try a few loose strands of hair flying about here and there? and maybe the rocks are a little bland at the moment. this is just my opinion though :) great work

remcv8
12-01-2006, 01:58 AM
Very nice. I love how the feet turned out, and I just now, noticed the light coming from the third eye.

Lighting is superb, and overall color is awesome.

Bliss

Runecaster
12-01-2006, 01:59 AM
the lighting is beautiful, really glowing -- I agree about the texture for the rocks :)

Gisaiagami
12-01-2006, 10:03 AM
Wonderfull
Congratulations.. Butttt
the rocks very lise
Texture welcome in your rocks ;)

jramauri
12-01-2006, 01:19 PM
Thank you very much for your comments, friends. Now I think it's done, with real rocks and shadows.

http://www.amauriilustra.com.br/images/making_of/shiva/shiva_15.jpg

Raul: Yeah! Now that you said, it's indeed the JosÚ Sarney clone! "Brasileiros e Brasileiras!" Hahaha!

Thank you very much for all those people that took some time to help me on this image.
Special thanks for you Gisa, you're great.

See you on next image.

NR43
12-01-2006, 01:30 PM
Wonderful work jramauri

JLShenWui
12-01-2006, 03:35 PM
The drawing is really awesome! :thumbsup: Keep it up!

Gisaiagami
12-01-2006, 04:32 PM
texture nice nice
congratulations for end of image
I be thanks for words, and very happy for your friendship :thumbsup::love:

vitalmaya
12-02-2006, 10:04 AM
jramauri, this is really superb! Amazing work. As a few people posted before, you have really got the Indian look very well. I have a few comments about it that are not related to the art work itself, but about Nataraja himself. I know you're already done with the painting, but I just saw this post and thought I would mention it anyway.

There are two things in the painting that are not associated with the pose of Nataraja - the Trishul and Ganga (Ganges).

Though the Trishul is often seen in the other forms of Shiva, it is not seen in Nataraja. This is because all forms of Hindu Gods are symbolic representations with hidden meanings. Using the Trishul in the right hand breaks that meaning.

The same with Ganga - it is represented in Nataraja, but not in the way shown in the painting. That is more a way shown for Shiva rather than Nataraja. You can find some more information of the meaning of the Nataraja pose over here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataraja and http://www.lotussculpture.com/nataraja1.htm

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